Board Thread:Wiki Discussion/@comment-12633677-20140716155458/@comment-53539-20140717210629

@Chev, On my personnel level, I'm kinda not bothered what happens to the page except changint the A-Z... Because honestly... The page was designed to be this way which is why I'm bringing it up. So... I kinda just feel like everyone wants to ignore the point of the A-Z. Thats all. If everyone wants things done differently, I wouldn't stop anyone. But I just... Don't know... The idea of loosing the A-Z, will feel like the whole purpose of the page being presented like that is lost with it.

As I said, its giving me mixed feelings over it since nobody really asked about it before they started voicing an opinion on changing it. I said in the past in regards to S/W sections on voicebank pages, they were changed to fit a purpose. Its okay to change them, but the new purpose has to fit the job. So when we lost S/W they had to be replaced with the current system, thought had to go into the best approach to it, even then I knew it was an outdated system anyway. :-/

The company system was so overused and the A-z presented things in a different light, even without bias in mind. It broke up the reliant on company order, forcing newbies to learn the names of other vocaloids, rather then them constantly relying everything to be coloured coded (sort into company order) like everywhere else. In otherwords, to go through Miku you have to scroll over Bruno, Ia, etc.

Even then, the trouble with company order is, we always work in "release" order over the vocaloid wikia for consistency sake, so CFM wouldn't be left in the middle and they'd be second on the list, as the order is known at lest to g; Zero-G, CFM, PowerFX. But even then... CFM were the first ones on the project, so they would normally take president in some cases, though wouldn't in this case since its vocaloid release, not company joining. :-/

I'd argue over the idea that the list is "confusing" as again, this is "each to their own", two people can read a page and one can understand it better then another perhaps. For this, you'd have to get the opinions of others together in one place to determining why they think its confusing and overwhelming. But it would have to be non-editors you asked, for reasons I won't say in case anyone takes it the wrong way. In other words, to classify this as "confusing and overwhelming" Chev, bare in mind you'd need to back that statement up with the opinions of a noob or outsider, who isn't used to the wikia system at all. Something which nobody ever bloody does at any wikia, which is making wonder why I'm even raising this point at all. O_O

Even then if we ditch the A-z list here, then another A-z list will have to exist in some form on the wikia in some form anyway, even if its just as a category, which... Kinda makes me wonder "why bother since its going to exist in one form or another". Not thats a point of argument, its just a note of the fact that the wikia system likes to sort things intro A-Z anyway... And theres a "Vocaloid" listing in the category. The only difference is, it doesn't go into detail unless you click on a link. :-/

Also, just a note, I could likely come up with a better idea then A-Z anyway on my own like I did when I removed S/W and replaced it with the current voicebank system, but I've not put thought in it, only that I don't think the Company system will be suitable either. But it would take a while to come up with a better idea, and I am not really editing much here anymore since I have other wikias to attend to... So you see the problem.

http://onepiece.wikia.com/wiki/Template:Straw_Hat_Pirates_Gallery

For reference sakes, I'll also slap this link here.

This was also a consideration, but due to the lack of characters, I didn't think it would work without some adjustments (I have come to think this is a scruffy design for a template). I didn't go with this initally in the day and went for the way we set things up now because hardly anyone knew Vocaloid characters.