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Pinkgirl234 wrote: Angel Emfrbl wrote:

Considering the Daughter of Evil series as I've mentioned before isn't overall that good and none of the songs are good really as stand alones. The series is poorly mixed by todays standards and was not that brilliant in the past. To me its sad when fans get caught up in songs from the period only of 2007-9 because its clear they barely know vocaloid. This is lik the tip of the iceberg of what vocaloid is. I'm curious. What made you believe that the aforementioned series is not overall good and that none of its songs are really good as stand alones?

I just wanna ask. Whatever you say, I'll respect it. Well lets see, I've been in the fandom 8 years so I've got a vast comparison of songs to choose from and older ones generally don't tend to be as good as newer overall because technology moves on. You also have the issue with inexperienced producers and they get better over time, with later additions being better then original on technical terms. However, there is a risk of a musician burning themselves out and using all their talent up early on.

But that's a tip of the iceberg.

I've also enjoyed a lot of musicals over time and to me there is nothing special about the series. Within each musical you get songs who can and can't stand out on their own, but DoE doesn't really have songs that stand out as solo in my opinion. I'll give an example, even if you like the rest of the songs in Frozen, the BIG number is "Let it Go" and its level of vocal skills in display is much higher then the rest of the film. The song can stand out on its on from the song, because of this. The expression is great, the lyrics powerful. Even in Dethklok movie; "Doomster Requiem" the variety of styles of songs means that there are memorable songs suchas "Blazing Star" that stand out on their own. The same goes for MLP movie last year, if anything Sia's song "Rainbo" stand out among the tracks of the movie. Phantom of the Opera, the main theme tune can exist alone from the rest of the musical. War of the World... "Forever Autumn", "Parson Nathaniel" and "Brave New World" are 3 decent songs to stand out with the first being the one they released as a hit song. Off the top of my head, "Modern General"... Look it up, forget its musical but remember it...Oliver has "Food glorious food" and "Consider yourself" or whatever its called.

A lot of the problem is the music just mundane, its an issue I find with Cricus Monster, you want this BIG dramatic moment to happen... And you get in that song.... "aaaaah" and then it plonks on with barely changing itself. Likewise, DoE has similar issues with not one song really breaking out into something you can go "wow" at. Its the curse of musicals and TV shows with a lot of songs in, or bands who stick to a single style of music. It tries to do that, but... I don't even remember the songs most of the time except DoE and Haku's song. Yet a lot of other musicals there are bits that stand out even when you can't remember much else.

The vocaloid/BGM mix is not 100% mixed well, part of that is to blame on the vocals being LQ or V2 era vocals. I mean, DoE was started out with the Act1 Kagamines I believe, which were hard vocals to work with and both them and Miku were LQ. The series basically pre-dated the Miku Append so didn't get the HQ range of the Vocaloids out. I have a funny idea that even when Act2 for the Kagamines came out they weren't use, Act2 had issues with expression that Act1 had but sacrifice clarity over (and its overall quality). So there was some producers from the older crowd who had Act1 who didn't want to use Act2 because of it.

Every series needs 1 song that really stands out, and without it DoE is a forgettable series, but people love it for the narrative. This is literally the best part of the series and why its still got a following. Even I, while I think its a mundane series, basically know the plot and story to it and I haven't even read the wiki page in a couple of years (I stay away from song pages unless I want to know something about the song). With it being a iconic series, and I believe in the Project Diva and on the Exit Tunes albums (big deal in terms of Vocaloid), it pretty much isn't going away. But listening to other songs over time does make me note how DoE could have done so much more with itself.

Considering Haku's song is a highly adjusted vocal, one also notes that the song is actually likely in terms of vocal performance the worst sung of the lot. Never been a Haku fan saying that so I will be a bit tad bias towards Haku, its Miku Singing anyway most likely so who cares. I admit Haku's song is the only one I'm purely bias against because its the least impressive to me. So this the one song I'm not is love with for a much greater reason, this is also the song every fan thinks is so great and will misquote Haku as the singer or ignore that Haku was originally any bad Miku song so could sound no different to Miku… Basically, its a big player in the contribution to the issues with Haku and Neru at times.

When I tend to dislike something, I'm not shallow about it, and I do try and come up with a long explanation about it. But mostly, its because even in the 2007-2009 period... We just had better songs! I'd rather listen to BlackRock Shooter, which I think is a muchmore stand out song with more power behind it then the DoE of songs...