Forum:Adding Producers

Okay we don't really have grounds for adding Producers but we all still work to some idea of what does or does not make a good producer. Still we do work to some practices;

The basics of adding a Producer

 * First things first; never ever create a Producer page for yourself. If you add it yourself we take it as your just showing off, that your using us for a advertising space or pretty much want to look more impression then you are, etc, etc there are a ton of reasons for not letting anyone just add themselves.  If you want to be added, you have to request it.  Its likely we'll add you sooner or later anyway since we do add Producers who impress us. This has pretty much been in place since the days when we catered for manmades.  Signing up just to post your work is also banned. Your not an "editor" until you've done the time as one (I can't phrase this any other way)
 * If your a amateur, we can still add you, half the Producers in Japan are amateur Doujin music makers anyway. Might be more likely to be added if you are using a relatively quieter Vocaloid like Clara because you stand out more, but thats not 100% certainity. Reason being is we like to show things about all Vocaloids here, and when a quieter Vocaloid is made we have to rumage around gfor just 1 producer using that vocal.
 * It doesn't matter if you do covers or original works only or a mixture of both. BUT we really don't like to add Producers who only do covers of popular and well known VSQ files because anyone can do that and call themselves a "P" for doing so.  Plus these tend to be the songs with the least amount of work put into them, it takes a lot of effort for for it to stand out.
 * Producers added normally have a quality or standard and we add them so other fans can see what everyone else has done and compare themselves to it.

Most Producers added have earnt merit or fame through hours of hard work or have what is considered impressive pieces. For this reason we can't say things like "you need X amount of subscribers..." or so forth, because popularity is not a sign of quality. However, we will add trougher guidelines on work added if people abuse this though. Personnelly? I like giving new producers half a chance so I'm praying it never amounts to that and some veteran Japanese producers don't have much work at all up.

The one thing you should know
Here is the single most important thing to take note;

'''If you use Pocaloid or any other form of illegal version of this software then walk away, we don't want to and cannot assoicate ourselves with you. If you pretend you don't have it and then are discovered to have it, you face imediate removal and will> be added to the Blacklist.'''

To cut a long story short; Unlike Vocaloid Otaku forums (who since they assoicated themselves with PowerFX and Zero-G can't link to Pocaloid) or Vocaloidism, we just can't smile and look the other way and pretend it doesn't happen. We know its going on, we wrote a page on it for a reason, but thats not the point, a slip up means instant banment from the wikia and blacklisting. Blacklisting, unlike the UTAU wikia, pretty much means for good here, unless you can supply evidence you actually bought the software and are going down the honest path. There simply is no ifs and buts on this one. Even if the wikia agreement isn't taken into account, we still have to support the studios and Producers, so... Yeah... As I said no ifs and buts on this one.

I have no doubts some of our videos are from Pocaloid users up on the wikia. All I can say in response to this is that if you must insist on being a pirate instead of a honest fan, then please play it smart because the wikia will not be happy with you when you slip up. Also, be aware others read your comments on Facebook and Youtube and Deviantart... Etc... Etc... They do sometimes share with the rest of the fandom what you are up to, so you can slip up vey easily without realising it.

Finally, if you get caught out here... Be aware that you might find yourself in turn banned from Piapro and spammed on Nico nico Douga by the Japanese Vocaloid fans. And furthermore, if you have covers, you pretty much invite the Japanese fans to contact the groups and labels to attack your videos and remove them on the grounds of copyright infringement. This has happened a few times now already... Don't let it happen to you. Also something else worth noting; save the wikia the drama act. Do not act dumb or protest against your use of Pocaloid or whatever or bombard us with lies, whining or excuses, language barrier is also not a excuse (we can soon enough find a native speaker if we have to). Honestly; I myself have more respect with the fan who says "Congrats, you caught me; well played" as in my opinion its better to accept you get caught with diginity then to make a further make a fool of yourself by acting like a child about it.

That means if you go the honest path the wikia staff here will happily deal with you more, if you whine consider yourself not likely to ever return to the wikia pages. Because if things go sour again, we simply don't want to deal with you. Pretty much though, if you get caught, appear to go straight, then turn out to be no improvements you don't ever return... But we will still welcome you here as part of the community despite that. People tend to think blacklisting is the end of the world, but honestly... We're not the fashion police here all we can do is not link to you, we can't remove your videos or break your computer, murder your family and send your pet cat to the kitty litter box in the sky... Etc.^_-

Thats pretty much all else I have to say on this subject, I'm not here to lecture "you shouldn't use Pocaloid" because with software I'm aware that sometimes the illegal users help sell the legal version and I've been on the net long enough to know the pros and cons of illegal software. I'm mentioning because out of all the things I do here as editor and beaucrat, dealing with Pocaloid is my single biggest headache and I'd rather not deal with it but I have to.

What about UTAU?
We don't deal with UTAU, because thats not our grounds for interest. Thats an entirely different fandom and UTAU and Vocaloids issues are not identical. The only time we cross paths is in those rare cases where someone does something stupid like making a UTAU based on Lola's voicebank... Then pretending they didn't do it by hiding the evidence.... Then proceed to lie through their teeth about doing it... Yeah... We've seen all manners of Fandumb on the wikia as it happens. Pretty much the bottom line on UTAU is that if your a UTAU producer you jsut don't belong on this wikia even if you are playing fair. I count "UTAU users" as meaning anyone with more then half their work being based on UTAU rather then Vocaloid though that rough guidelines might move for various reasons.