Talk:VY2/@comment-25831530-20141208032244/@comment-53539-20141208122359

vocaloid has always struggled more with certain voices, bass for example, power types...

The fandom often forgets "well tuned" doesn't means the raw vocal isn't perfect. It was a noted issue that cherry-pickers who ran down English vocaloids used to do. Using songs with good tuning doesn't demostrate how a vocal is out of the box, furthermore producers get used to fixed or working around vocal flaws.

Even then, consider also as you say that that VY2 was the best of Japanese Vocaloid2 males... What does this say for the vocals "Len", "Piko", "Ryuto", "Hiyama" and "Gackpo"? To be quite honest, if people had been told it was a HQ vocal, most fans wouldn't know Vy2's level. :-/