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Polite Request
Hi there, I have a small translation request.

Could you tell me about what the contest is about here?

I'm just asking for what it is about though, theres no need for more then the basic details.

Thanks in advance. One-Winged Hawk 13:19, January 14, 2011 (UTC) By the way, CUL is the abbreviation for CULNOZA, not culture. Could you correct the article? Damesukekun 14:24, January 14, 2011 (UTC)
 * It's a public song collection for CUL. Participants post female vocaloid songs to Nicovideo up to Feb. 25.


 * Really? Wow. Thanks for that. One-Winged Hawk 17:15, January 14, 2011 (UTC)


 * Corrected. Its also the sign I have to drop one of my other translators. They were the one who threw up that translation. I'll deal with that next time I see them. I've been producing more reliable translations by myself and I'm bad at it as it is. Looks like right now the two most reliable source of translation within the fandom are if I post here or wikipedia.


 * Its kind of disappointing, I put up a message on the mainpage to see if we can get word around that more translators are needed. When you have large fandoms like say, Naruto or One Piece in western fandoms, translators are easy to find. Its rather disappointing sometimes as only mainstream shows attract the translators. Its not like there are none around in the Vocalid fandoms case, its that their not in the right places. I hate asking too much of any single translator as I know it can tick them off.


 * The only other thing that needs translating is this. One-Winged Hawk 17:36, January 14, 2011 (UTC)

Okay, here it is:

"Kagamine Rin & Len Append", the appended vocal libraries for "Kagamine Rin & Len" has come to the market. Rin & Len Kagamine is the Vocaloid of a set of twin vocals, the girl vocal Rin and boy vocal Len. (note by translator: Rin and Len are not twins officially.) Each vocal gained three new voicebanks such as storong voice, whisper voice and so on by this update to Append. More vocal faces became available for more song expressions.

Rin & Len Append came to distribution just three years after the first release of Kagamine on December 27, 2007. What was the air of the recording for Kagamine Append? We held an interview with Asami Shimoda, the voice provider for Rin & Len Kagamine. Wataru Sasaki from Crypton Future Media, the directer of the series of Vocaloid products, joined us in the middle of interview and we heard the story of development which had been untold.

─ Three years have passed since Rin & Len Kagamine showed up on stores.

Shimoda: Yes. It is three years since the release, but the recording itself was three and about a half years ago. I remember that Miku Hatsune had already been in boom at that time. I heard at the first recording that the software was in fact for temporary songs. So I was thinking at first that it was a DAW software designed for and used and loved just by those in the music trend and those who create songs just for pleasure.

The fact is, now this product has met its third year and has grown to a set of characters loved very much. I am very surprised to see the unexpected things like this. And this product leaves my hand sheer and many Kagamine CDs are released before I know. Well, Miku Hatsune CD hits the number 1 in the Oricon chart and the Miku music game by SEGA is popular. Another surprising thing is that most cosplayers were in the Vocaloid outfit in Comic Market.

─ Do you go to Comic Market?

Shimoda: Yes, I often go. I love to.

─ Aren't you detected as "the person of Kagamine"?

Shimoda: No, I am not because I disguise myself when I go. (laugh) Well, I think that Kagamine has become one of the national characters and I am very glad as a participator for Kagamine. I hope that Rin and Len unchanginly have new meetings during the forth and fifth year, too, and I want to celebrate it.

─ Do you have anything new by providing Rin & Len vocals?

Shimoda: I receive more letters from elementary students and kids than before.

─ Do elementary students listen to Kagamine songs?

Shimoda: Now even kids use the Internet. I receive more letters saying "We all listen to Kagamines at school." or "I belong to the broadcast club and I broadcast Kagamine songs during lunch hour." or so. I think that listening to Vocaloid songs may be in boom among students.

I often receive illustrations, too. I, however, just recorded the voicebank and I feel sorry because it isn't I who sing.

─ By the way, where did the name Rin and Len come from?

Sasaki: This is... The name was not decided at the first recording in 2007. Ms. Shimoda was familiar with the animes of her childhood so "Hokuto no Ken" just came to our talk. The character by the name "Rin" was in the anime. It happened to be a topic, we joked about the clip "Rin said a word with the air of the situation", and we simply decided Rin and Ken.

─ What!

Shimoda: Yeah, "Batt and Rin was so plagializing that Rin and Ken would be better." and so on. (laugh)

Sasaki: A talented rap musician "Shuren The Fire" lives in Hokkaido and his cosplay is an homage to "Shuren" in "Hokuto no Ken". So Hokuto no Ken might have been too close to us.

Shimoda: Well, in fact, I did not know the final naming. I was told that the names were Rin and Len before I took an interview for a magazine, and I felt easy to know that Ken was not used. I also thought that Len was cool. L and R make a pair and they sound nice.

─ Why did you name one of them "Len"?

Sasaki: I always make halfway jokes. (laugh) I often use jokes and simple guesses as spice to reflect the happy air and sensation in a studio to my products.

─ How was the words when Ms. Shimoda received the offer three and a half years ago?

Shimoda: I was told that they wanted two vocals anyway. The sense of one person acting two vocals. I was so happy to know that they recruited me with my skill of generating both boy and girl voices.

─ Did they offer you the project after the release of Miku?

Sasaki: No, before Miku.

Shimoda: Soon after Saki Fujita was recruited for Miku's vocal.

─ Then, was the condition of twins in your mind since then?

Sasaki: Yes. The movies of Idol M@ster was gaining popularity, so I thought she would be counted as "the voice actress for the twins in Idol M@ster" soon. Another attracting point was she was tactful to act the twins with slight differences. She was appealing as a voice actress because she was fully aware of such slightly different personalities.

Shimoda: Well, I know few voice actresses who usually narrate for twin characters.

Sasaki: You narrated both for the popular twins in Idol M@ster and mirror-reflection characters, so you would have the opportunity to receive more works for twin characters.

Shimoda: I've already acted for other projects, indeed. In addition, pretty many in the anime industry love Rin & Len. In a certain anime I narrated, a road roller was sitting quietly in a park in the first chapter. (laugh)

─ Wow, Kagamine popularity spreads to such the extent. Do you have any tip when you act twins as different egos?

Shimoda: Well, the tip is... I don't usually narrate with deep thinking, it is more like feeling.

Sasaki: I think you get into characters you play very naturally.

Shimoda: Yes, I do. If I tell it with the words from my sense, the difference is, Rin's voice comes from the top of my head and Len from my bosom. Rin is like producing a cute and flying voice from the hair whorl. I open my eyes wide, this is, say, how I generate high tones. On the other hand, I can't create Len's low voice if I don't put some muscle on my bosom. I focus on narrating through the center of my bosom, through the lower part.

Sasaki: Listeners would know that. Those who dislike Rin's voice say her voice echoes in their heads and it makes them feel dizzy. Some like a cheerful girl's cry and others don't. Rin's and Len's vocals strike like a lightning, they are more like cries. Len's high vocal bothers those who don't like Kagamine.

─ The comments when demos of Kagamine Append was released were...

Sasaki: "Sweet vocal isn't Ren at all!" or so.

─ Six more vocals were attached to Append package. More varied expressions were required and how did you narrated them differently?

Shimoda: Mr. Sasaki led me. I didn't have to narrate sentences, Vocaloid voicebank was made from the edited voices. In a recording studio, well, I was not sure if my vocal really sounded as Ren's soft vocal...

─ Any difficult vocal to narrate?

Shimoda: I had one, but I don't remember which.

Sasaki: The recording were in several days and we gave names to each append later, so she wasn't sure in the studio. The first was the Rin in a little low-spirit and the next were the little bitchy, and the cool Len followed. Then the forceful voice and the last was the soft.

Shimoda: I recorded many vocals. Mr. Sasaki said he had asked me "the bitchy" one but I remember he had requested me "the sad" one at first. But I could not do well and he changed it to bitchy one and I caught it. We spent not a little time for that.

─ You don't tell sentences but just phonics when recording. I heard that you had difficulty expressing emotions.

Shimoda: The phonics was unusual like "zan, zan, jii" and I had to lay even stress on each unit. When I narrate a usual script, I can express sadness by speech accents, but doing so in the Vocaloid recording makes vocal unit uneven.

─ Much more skill is required than narrating as a usual voice actress.

Shimoda: Yes. Furthermore, I have to concentrate on it a lot. The recording was 25 hours in total and 4 hours a day, but I narrate the same phonics many times so I become sleepy if I don't concentrate on. Unlike the anime studio, the staff and the engineers are very quiet so I hear only my voice. In addition, I narrate it on the rhythm like "tan, tan, tan, tan."

Sasaki: Kinda chanting... It is like chanting Heart Sutra. (laugh)

Shimoda: I felt I was really listening to a sutra. I was about to fall asleep and sometimes I was narrating half-dreamy. I was afraid if I made not a few mistakes with the absent mind.

Sasaki: Well, you were okay. (laugh)

Shimoda: Was I okay? I would like to apologize. Well, I felt little happy when recording. All I thought was to heighten my motivation like "'Key, I'll concentrate."

─ What came to your mind when the recording was over?

Shimoda: I thought "Phew, I can't work any longer today". I felt as if I had exhausted all my glucose.

─ What was your impression before the release of Kagamine Append?

Shimoda: "Wow, the date is exactly the same as the date of original release three years ago." Did you set the date on purpose?

Sasaki: Yes, I did. In fact, I received claims from end shops such as "distribute it on the Christmas day" or "not this day, please" when I released it three years ago. I got claims again for asking this unusual release date this year.

─ True, the date was after Christmas, and was inconvenient for end shops.

Shimoda: Yet it was catchy to release just after three years. I hope we could hold events on December 27 as Rin's and Len's birthday.

This time of three years ago, I was expecting the Kagamine release. I had many visitors and e-mails, and was waiting for the awaited release. I received the unexpected offer this year again. I had no idea distributing another package after the first recording.

I was just narrating without any emotion at the first ACT1 recording, but expressions such as sadness or sweet whisper were newly added. Songs gain depth so I hope Vocaloid beginners would use Kagamine Append.

─ Wonderful comment.

Sasaki: You advertise the product better than a certain person in charge of Vocaloid. Well, do you have any chance to work for Crypton? (laugh)

Shimoda: Are you short of hands?

Sasaki: Yes, we are short of hands and smiles.

─ (laugh) Well, in the end of the interview, do you have any request of songs you want to listen with Append?

Shimoda: I have no idea. Saying about songs, I think Miku Hatsune is the artist who has the most songs around the world, so every genre has come with her. So, I hope users would find the singing ways which make good use of the features of Append. When you let Kagamine sing a ballade, for example, a part is in the sad singing with whisper voice and another part is in the forceful singing.

Sasaki: And Rin and Len manzai comedy usind 3-D MikuMikuDance would be fun. Rin hits Len, and Len's vocal turns from power to serious, then weeping voice. I'm glad to see your free-styled usage anyway. Damesukekun 08:34, January 15, 2011 (UTC)


 * You finished!


 * I say "thank you" but I mean to say so much more, but theres no words I know that can express my graditudes for this. One-Winged Hawk 09:53, January 20, 2011 (UTC)

Gackpoid Extend?
http://vocaloid.blog120.fc2.com/blog-entry-7768.html

Oh, sorry to bother you, can you confirm something for me? Theres a little confusion, has Gackpoid extend been confirmed as well, the rest they've translated and understand but this one there is a little bit of conufsion over? One-Winged Hawk 19:30, January 20, 2011 (UTC)
 * The article only says Megumi Nakajima has already made a set of several vocal recordings for Meguopoid Extend. There is no reference of Gakupo. Damesukekun 23:14, January 20, 2011 (UTC)

Just some stuff
こんにちは. PCがいよいよダメになってきてるのか、previewするとよく固まってしまうのでこまめにセーブしていたのですが、鯖に負担かかっちゃうんですね^^; 出来るだけ負担かけないよう気をつけます. Blacksaingrain 06:14, January 23, 2011 (UTC)
 * レジストリクリーニングはしたことないので、Wise Registry Cleanerを使って試してやってみますね. ありがとうございます^^ Blacksaingrain 06:47, January 23, 2011 (UTC)

translatiors
I won't say no, considering the few western translators only seem to be sticking to their groups. I have my limits on the research I can do as well. I'm currently caught up in a clean up session at another wikia with an admin absence myself. Its taking time away from this particular wikia until they resolve it. Between you and the translators at wikipedia, they are not that many serving the Vocaloid fandom in the western fandom, and I can't seem to cox a few from other fandoms to translate.

The most major thing is clarification on what exactly is going on with the Japanese Vocaloids, the english ones are not the problem. Theres not many articles on them, but since their the language I speak, I can at least handle them myself with no troubles. I think I said it before, the major problem is that forums like Vocaloid Otaku, the members rely on dodgey google and babel translations with side effects being they can't quite determine what their results are being thrown at them. They get some things correct, but I've had things thrown back at me from wikipedia as "incorrect", partly recently when one of my own friends who translated stuff starting becoming really bad at it.

Help is needed at least until we can get things sorted and more translators take interest. The western Vocaloid fandom is really quite small, there isn't enough of anything yet. So "thanks" would not be enough to express what I mean when I say it.

But, "thank you" is the closet I can get to what I mean. :-) One-Winged Hawk 18:36, January 23, 2011 (UTC)

Re:Piracy / Copyright Violation
Thank you for informing me. I was wondering why IP and Editors were constantly messing with Lourdes' page, I figured it was due to jealousy from attention and such, but I only remember one person stating that it was a violation yet not being clear about it. I would inform Ricardo that this is illegal and should remove the link and location of it from visitors. If you feel like the character still needs to be banned, I will check with the other admins. -- Bunai82 (talk) 17:21, February 7, 2011 (UTC)
 * The least Ricardo would do is immediately cease distribution of the UTAU hybrid. (and download links where to get Lola & Meiko) Even on its modified form (Lola voicebank samples into UTAU-readable WAV files), there's ruling against that across both wikis. I hope he listens. Can you get him in here so he'll know how bad it is? O Herman 18:12, February 7, 2011 (UTC)


 * I'm glad it was pointed out, I didn't know myself since I had seen bits on youtube thus presumed it was legit. Yes, this is VERY wrong and its embarressing I missed it, however, I also note there are other sites out there and on top of this she has been on the wikia for a while now. Damesukekun, thanks for bringing it to attention. On other note... The guys at VO forums LOVE trolling stuff. I wonder if they want something fresh to troll at in the name of justice? I might drop a notice of this persons' actions to them. >:-) One-Winged Hawk 18:32, February 7, 2011 (UTC)


 * What are the odds this one (meaning appeal to Ricardo) will fall on deaf ears? As a fanmade vocaloid creator and UTAU connoisseur I'm pretty disappointed by such actions... O Herman 18:39, February 7, 2011 (UTC)


 * Good grief, the links to their blogsite are up on DA. I've put up a notice on VO forums, I'm trying to get their side of the story, but even if I have to re-instate that fanmad's page, I'm not going to shy away from announcing what this person's been up to anyway, this is going to be recorded on the fanmades history so anyone reading knows this is a disapproved fanmade. One-Winged Hawk 19:08, February 7, 2011 (UTC)


 * Thank you very much for the immediate action. I received replies from Zero-G and Ctypton, and they said they'd already killed the download links and I confirmed it. Yet I think Ricardo should delete the "free download" links, remove the plagiarizing logo and stop distributing Lola voicebank for UTAU before we bring back Lourdes. Damesukekun 00:13, February 8, 2011 (UTC)


 * Sofia, another UTAU uses Meiko, he admitted this, but has lied and said not, but it was THERE in his blog.


 * Quote from before it was removed;Lionoid Sofia CL_02. Sofia is the Second Lionoid to be circulating on YouTube. It comes from Vocaloid Meiko, with some arrangements in his voice. But as I want it to all fanaticism, they can send their ideas and pictures of their creations to post here.


 * I'm trying to dig up information on this fanmade too, because it seems it was not the only one. I suspects as well Riki is also just as fake a UTAU despite the claim. I'm not so cute, that I wouldn't pay attention to the only thing written in english on a blog, and quote it so I remember that piece of information and made sure others had their proof, though I admit next time I'll go a step further and screenshot it as BETTER proof. With this in mind, I'm now not so keen to add the page back with any form of linking involved to any of the persons work, because they attempted to lie to cover their tracks and pretend I wasn't watching.


 * He has more UTAU, but now I do not believe they are not Vocaloids despite what he has said, because it seems odd that 2 out of 3 are Vocaloids involved. And yes, the link to downloadable Meiko isn't gone, thus the problem isn't completely resolved yet. ^_- One-Winged Hawk 17:53, February 8, 2011 (UTC)


 * Also, he confessed to owning 2 UTAU to us here at the wikia, yet as has been noted, he created more with Lola to get "Appends". So he is not above denying what he has. This is not good for his reputation. One-Winged Hawk 18:19, February 8, 2011 (UTC)


 * He left the Sofia voice confession up apparently, it was just where I didn't expect it.


 * Also the MORE I look the worst it gets; http://ricardovocaloid.blogspot.com/2009/10/silver-world-disponible.html This songs in there listed he is not allowed to reissue as he has. I'm up to screenshot 7 as of this. Its far from over Damesukekun, you know, I'm not going to enjoy updating Lourdes' page after all this. I am also trying to get a translator of his language onto his blog messages, I think he may be calling "victim" here. I need to confirm that he is calling out himself as a victim. I'm surprised, in all of this, no one has attacked him on NND, where has work uploaded. There is no sacred ground he won't trend on. One-Winged Hawk 20:07, February 8, 2011 (UTC)


 * His own UTAUloid has been blacklisted now in UTAU Wiki, as a result. Geez, this is really... sad. O Herman 21:03, February 8, 2011 (UTC)
 * With 2 out of 3 UTAU made from Vocaloids, I honestly still do not believe Riki Leon isn't another Vocaloid steal. But I would need someone to identify it as to which Vocaloid to make sure that was the case. Its name implies "Leon" and that was the one I remember a VO forum member noting. But But its hard to compare UTAU with their Vocaloid orginal. One-Winged Hawk 21:41, February 8, 2011 (UTC)

I'm going to alert the Vocaloid distributors to this guy again and announce Ricardo's piracy to NND community. Damesukekun 23:20, February 8, 2011 (UTC)


 * I've already alerted the VO forum community, but the response is little at this moment. The western fandom tends to explode upon Vocaloid releases thus its sort of downtime while another gets made. The only other place to alert is Vocaloidism, but I don't have account there and their forum is more confusing. One-Winged Hawk 23:43, February 8, 2011 (UTC)

http://www.piapro.jp/Ricardovocaloid

For what its worth... One-Winged Hawk 00:05, February 9, 2011 (UTC)

... Ah heres something; "I have to Lola, Miriam, Leon, Kaito, Meiko, Miku, Rin and Len, Kamui, Miki, Saai and Kiyoteru. I will use the voice and to sing in Spanish, English and Japanese."

I just noticed that, thats what Vocaloids he owns, I'm going to lean on Riki Leon being one of those voices if someone in the community can guess which one that would confirm ALL his UTAU are illegal. Also... More linking to his own accounts via that Piapro page. Not good considering that Meiko's on one of them. One-Winged Hawk 00:08, February 9, 2011 (UTC)


 * Nope. Riki is voiced by a human. Couldn't associate the voice with any Vocaloid. I was leaning on Big-Al at first, but since he doesn't (supposedly) own him, that's not the case. Also, the voice has a certain human characteristic to it, it sounds extremely bored. Etiole 00:21, February 9, 2011 (UTC)


 * I'd prefer if it was 100% made sure. Also, that Piapro account is problematic, but only Japanese fans could get that removed. Its 00:23, I've been at this since about 2:30pm or something like that, digging around and checking things match up, particularly aimed as confirming he told us the truth (which saldy he didn't). The Lourdes page will be opened for discussion on Friday, an attempt to add a satisfactory addition to the history section will be made and posted on the talk page for everyone to edit. Until then, I suggest we all give it a rest... This story has been a pain for me in the last 24 hours, I don't know about everyone else here. I imagine, the Japanese community won't be happy (I've been there once already) possibly and thats now for them to disguest.


 * Theres nothing more the wikia can do... Now its up to us to document this formally and in neutral terms later on. We can't link to anything with Lourdes on anymore, because everything seems to link back to those blasted pages again. So Lourdes won't be getting links to any of her songs, I suggest we leave the creators name off. Can we delete the histories of a page too? If not we might have to make the page under her full name. Either way, I don't think its ever going to be possible to allow anything but admin editing to a page, if we let her page come back. The UTAU wikia is up to its own workings to decide what it wants to do, so I won't comment on that.


 * I hate to say it, despite the achievements accomplished here, we're a vicitm since we had links to that blog previously and the history of that page has to go somehow, and now we're left to judge on a page or not should even be re-enstated, if it does... How are we going to go about this? We'll decide this Friday. :-/ One-Winged Hawk 00:35, February 9, 2011 (UTC)

Just confirming, the Meiko link is empty, the blog post remains though. Also, Lourdes is gone from NND and Piapro now. This was not the aim. He still claims Sofia is a UTAU, despite a blog post saying she is from Meiko, which contradicts his claim. His admittance to sharing a Lourdes Append with 4 others, which contained Lola's voice is gone from his deviant art account, however he then notes it was a prototype here.

His language skills is preventing this being resolved fast. The download to his songs (which are just bad cover songs) which contain commerically copyrighted material, still remains on his other blog. We're almost there with what is needed to be resolved on this issue for Lourdes to return on her page. The remaining issues are on those freely passed around songs. Thats still up to the producers to adress of each song and decide if they want it removed. As they are being published freely, no charge, it depends on country laws if their illegal or not. :-/ One-Winged Hawk 11:08, February 9, 2011 (UTC)


 * Unfortunately for him, Japanese people are very passionate about protecting their products from misuse and piracy. It was natural that Lourdes and Sofia be rejected due to this. O Herman 12:40, February 9, 2011 (UTC)

I posted a warning message on Ricardo's Piapro talk page in English and Japanese so that Japanese users can read what this guy is doing. @Angel Emfrbl: We really appreciate your tireless research on this matter. Please don't overdo, the responsibility is not yours but we all share the burden. I've already informed Crypton of Ricardo's piracy and shameless Piapro page. The company will take the due measure. Damesukekun 14:02, February 9, 2011 (UTC)


 * There isn't anymore to do on this side of the world any Damesukekun. I'm just glad something is resolving itself. One-Winged Hawk 16:12, February 9, 2011 (UTC)


 * Its the end of it, on the vocaloid side, someone spotted "Pocaloid" on the software's name in the Sonika video which I missed at VO forums. The story is at an end so this weekend I'm cleaning up the lourdes page and restoring it to note all this. At this point, its pretty much over for him + Vocaloid... whats done is done. All he has now is UTAU to build on. One-Winged Hawk 14:45, February 18, 2011 (UTC)

Also for what its worth, Crypton might be interested in the user name "mendozairis" on youtube, his video on installing Vocaloid is a bit... Contraversal. One-Winged Hawk 14:48, February 18, 2011 (UTC)

Lourdes outcome
Its time to decide that fate of that page, all comments welcome. See talk page. One-Winged Hawk 12:20, February 11, 2011 (UTC)


 * Ricardo, creator of this Vocaloid returned under the name of Hispanoloid, if you didn't know. Well I don't know what else to do. At this point he has lied about a lot of things, his retirement is now on top of the list. We know he was shut down by the Japanese companies before... I don't know if you want to drop a hint along again on this same person, its begining to get really sickening that our friend Ricardo isn't taking this seriously.


 * Now the wikia isn't being vandalised, we can only keep tabs on him. The fact he is back means its back to square 1 with this whole story. I don't think the wikia can do anything more then just keep reporting when he reappears. I'm sorry, his reappearance was beyond everyone's control. :-/ One-Winged Hawk 15:56, April 16, 2011 (UTC)

Just a quick confirmation
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Did I got the Japanese for Negi and Leek right? One-Winged Hawk 13:17, February 17, 2011 (UTC)
 * I made a slight change. Damesukekun 22:25, February 17, 2011 (UTC)


 * So my first source was more correct then my second. I'll note that down. I've never had the need to translate the word "leek" before.


 * http://vocaloidotaku.net/index.php?/topic/10909-akaito-append/page__view__findpost__p__301285 - some of the guys at VO are struggling with translations here, Kaito's Append was revealed and the Kaito fans are all giggly over it. One-Winged Hawk 08:07, February 18, 2011 (UTC)


 * Mkey, I'll join the talk later. Damesukekun 23:00, February 22, 2011 (UTC)

Meaw

 * sigh*, remember Meaw Damekekun? I don't know, is there anything new to add about them? Every time they come up, theres some sort or form of argument on if they are or are not Vocaloids, etc, etc. I don't know, I wish they'd never had that PV, every time they come up I seem to spend time trying to state they were never confirmed Vocaloids and all in vein.

Is there ANYTHING about them at all worth noting new? I feel like the Meaw thing is dead and pointless, but everyone wants to beat the dead beast with a stick to see if theres any life in it, that even if I bring proof they won't believe it.

Sorry Damesukekun about this... I've had 4 people confirm theres nothing that states they were Vocaloid, one was you previously, another was Judachi at wikipedia. But this is one issue that will not die and every few months it comes back up. the guys at wikipedia won't allow it to say "Vocaloid" so I think their trying to make this harder to accept then it is. I don't know... Its something I wish would stop coming up. One-Winged Hawk 16:28, February 26, 2011 (UTC)


 * Also, how "safe" is it to rely on the keytags on NND? They use the fact "Vocaloid" is slapped on as keytags as the single most important issue here. But SF-A2 miki is also slapped on there too. One-Winged Hawk 16:35, February 26, 2011 (UTC)
 * Now we all know two real Thai singers are behind Meaw and that the unit has nothing to do with any vocal synthesizer. I personally think Meaw has no room in this wiki, all things having become clear. Damesukekun 18:30, February 27, 2011 (UTC)


 * Now why would Thai girls masquerade themselves as Vocaloids? I mean, what's the purpose? O Herman 20:26, February 27, 2011 (UTC)


 * All I know is that I was downtrodden over Meaw recently. I have 4 translators, one of which is you, telling me their not Vocaloids... And I'm told off for "being able to read" and believe what other people tell me. And given that they rely on google translations, I find translator and get things translated, they rely on their google translators and someone who is not great at translating rather then the information I go to all this effort to find someone to get done for them. And if I try to point out their mistakes when they make them, I'm told I'm whining? Heck, one member at VO forums disrespectfully just wrote two of my posts at VO forums regarding Meaw as "Stuff" and "more stuff" when I said myself their not Vocaloids and explained what they were.


 * Yeah... If I quit Vocaloid fandom, I quit the wikia, so I'm weighing up my options quite closely over this Damesukekun... Its part of the reason why I'm not making an effort right now on the wikia. Even if I get them translations, even if I make the information flow more free to find, what good does it do? I'm begining to think, that even going to you for information is pretty pointless right now. Its not just recently, its been happening for a few months now.


 * I think Meaw is only on the wikia right now to make the guys at VO forums happy. It was put up to explain what was confirmed, when nothing was confirmed? It stays because they won't believe a wikia anyway. :-( One-Winged Hawk 20:36, February 27, 2011 (UTC)


 * You have the truth. This is your biggest weapon and naysayers should not make you cower. Nothing is more solid a truth than a native Japanese doing the translation. And if the VO people FFFUUUs all over that, that's their problem; not yours, not Damesukekun's and definitely not mine. Our job here in the wikia is to present the facts about Vocaloid and to see to it that it becomes a major reliable source. As soon as we back up the fact it's not a vocaloid, you can slap that to their faces. O Herman 20:50, February 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * Can you contact the company? Evolotia 21:45, February 27, 2011 (UTC)


 * I think the contacting part might be a little difficult, not impossible mind you. One-Winged Hawk 22:01, February 27, 2011 (UTC)


 * Hey OH, let me tell you a story. Lol. ;-)


 * In the One Piece fandom... Theres one particular member who hates the wikia they have, to the degree he was using one of the top forums to run a campaigne against it. Many fans went to that forum to be fans, as I explained you can be a editor but you need somewhere to also be a fan otherwise you won't have a interest in the thing your following. The fact he kept insulting us, was one thing, but on Christmas day, I had a PM on the forums ordering me to fix a wikia page to how he wanted it to be, "because it was my job". I was angry at this, because I do editing because I want to, for fun, not for his sake. I finally broke the silence and told the admin what he was doing, we explained we're perfectly fine with him hating the wikia and that we actually don't mind it. Its just he kept attacking us whenever he was given the chance, and no one stopped him because they didn't notice that he was doing it. Basically, it was bullying, we also explained we're fine with him using his own website to do this sort of thing, but he was using their forum as a weapon, that sooner or later there would be a fall out and nobody wanted it.


 * The icing on the cake; the thing I was ordered to correct... It turns out, we were right and he was wrong on it. Oh wouldn't you know. Still, we were suggested to invite him onto the team, no chance, because when I refused to do what he asked of me on X-mas day he turned to vandalising the page and was banned. Oh dear what a shame... We could really do with such a valuable person like THAT. Lol, the thing is there is only so much information a single person can share, whereas a wikia opens up the door for EVERYONE to share, much more varied source with people of all talents. Thats the difference between him and us was. Sure, wikias are not always reliable, but then again, neither is relying on a single fan as a source of information. Its like a cake, one person can make a single great cake, but 50 people can make 50 different cakes at the same time, each with a slightly different result even if given the same insturctions.


 * Besides, everyone is roudy whenever theres a lack of release and things to look forward to, thus that doesn't help either. Its the same with all fandoms. Hype around releases... Kicking shins when theres not. Lol. One-Winged Hawk 21:59, February 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * lol so basically what I predicted is slightly right? These catgirls are human singers whose tweaked voices sound synthesized? -- Bunai82 (talk) 01:21, February 28, 2011 (UTC)


 * Well, all thats left to ask is "who wants to go smoke some fresh salmon under the bridge of "the silverlight lala" until NEXT time? Lol. ;-)


 * I'm sure this isn't the end of this. One-Winged Hawk 02:25, February 28, 2011 (UTC)


 * If it is true, linking them to the human vocaloid page would be fitting. -- Bunai82 (talk) 17:35, February 28, 2011 (UTC)

Well... There still is inconsistency who they are in Japanese fandom... Many believe the vocals are vocaloid-like/robotic processed human singers, but Kobayashi Onyx and Tripshots claim they are Vocaloids and keep silent about the Thai twins. Keep the article as it is for the time being. This event reminds me of troll Teto release - processed human singer first and then the real UTAU voicebank followed. One of my speculation is Meaw will be a real Vocaloid when the girls master Japanese. Just a speculation. Damesukekun 00:35, March 1, 2011 (UTC)


 * I understand.
 * But what bothers me is there is literally no proper information given by the company that created them, even when the other Vocaloids were taking a long time to be released the company made sure to keep the fandom updated on the process. I question if Meaw is from Yamaha program and instead a similar vocal synth is being used to create them, it certainly wouldn't be out of the question but still highly speculative. -- Bunai82 (talk) 17:50, March 1, 2011 (UTC)


 * Until that big new information blast comes out, we can't determine what they are. Meanwhile its pointless talking about Meaw with the guys at VO forums and we're better off just waiting for more information. Vocaloid 3 is coming soon... All the studios have been tuned into this since summer, thus we don't know yet what is coming. What we do know is there is a floodgate currently closed and waiting to open, is Meaw in the gate? I'm doubting it but keeping open thoughts. For all we know the CD was a "test the waters" moment. One-Winged Hawk 19:15, March 1, 2011 (UTC)

You okay?
I hope your fine despite the events in Japan. I think one of the VO forumers just reported your fine in all due course, but were stuck on a train or something. Good luck Damesukekun either way! One-Winged Hawk 14:29, March 11, 2011 (UTC)
 * Thank you, I live far off the devastated area and I'm all okay. Damesukekun 14:31, March 12, 2011 (UTC)


 * Good to hear. ;-)


 * Everyone was scrambling to find out the where abouts of the Producers and anyone else, celebs and people they know like you. Lets say, Japan's crisis hit the panic button in all directions. Glad your fine though, I'm glad things were not any worst then it was, the panic across the globe was enough as it was and some were asking "could it get any worst?". One-Winged Hawk 11:30, March 13, 2011 (UTC)

Twitters on Miku english
http://twitter.com/vocaloid_cv_cfm/status/48600754876989440 http://twitter.com/vocaloid_cv_cfm/status/48606688198135808

May I ask if you can translate these to twitters? I think I know what the second is talking about, but I would like some confirmation from someone who knows what is being said. The second one is properly the more interesting one here, am I correcting in stating their undecided on a Miku eng. Append is what is being said or something along those grounds? One-Winged Hawk 15:55, March 19, 2011 (UTC) The English version of Hatsune Miku is at the α stage currently, not at the β stage, so it takes time to release it. We are going to work on for qualified voice database. We will release reports when we have any progress. The second one says; Question: RT@sih5632 Nice to meet you! Do you have English Miku vocal variations (calm-sounding dark or whispering sweet or so on) ? Answer: We would like to develop them in the future, but we have no specific plan currently. Damesukekun 14:57, March 22, 2011 (UTC)
 * The first one says;


 * Thank you! :-D One-Winged Hawk 00:54, March 23, 2011 (UTC)

Kaito related twitters
来週、KAITO Append用音声の追加収録が決まりました. 久々に風雅さんとお会いします.

KAITOのプロジェクトが本格的に再開できそうな見込みなので、滞ってしまっていた諸案件についても急ぎ再調整させて頂きます.

Someone at Vocaloid Otaku wanted to know what is written here. Would you mind translating this please? One-Winged Hawk 09:50, April 5, 2011 (UTC) We have the pretty fair chance to reopen the KAITO (Append) project in full scale, so we rearrange the delayed items as quickly as possible. Damesukekun 14:27, April 5, 2011 (UTC)
 * The additional vocal recording for KAITO Append has fixed for next week. We are going to meet Fuuga-san after a long time.


 * Thanks. I'm not sure quite what the guys at VO forums are going to make out of those ones but I'll let them decide. Their still trying to figure out the latest message anyway after these ones. One-Winged Hawk 15:00, April 5, 2011 (UTC)

【現時点でのKAITO進捗状況】 収録した声の表情：全6種類、内、2種類は没、4種類は進行中（内、1種類はα版化済み）CVシリーズのような演技的な方向からのアプローチによる表情の違いではなく、声の響かせ方・声の張り・発声時の緊張感を調整して音色の異なる声を作っています.


 * Sorry, I guess this is important information here, but VO forums still rely on google translator. Their results are confusing. One-Winged Hawk 07:46, April 17, 2011 (UTC)

The vocal expressions recorded was six. Two of them have been killed and the others are on progress (one of them has completed alpha-version setting). We are creating various vocal colors by editing echo, forcefulness and tension unlike CV series, whose vocal colors are from the various vocal performance. Damesukekun 04:00, April 19, 2011 (UTC)
 * The current progress of Kaito


 * Hello,
 * I created a Vocaloid on Twitter page, I wanted to know if you could possibly add the English translation on the page? Mostly on Kaito, as that seems to be everyone's interest at the moment. -- Bunai82 (talk) 06:09, April 19, 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks you, there was some confusion over what most of this one meant, but everyone guessed for the most part what the first sentance was talking about. One-Winged Hawk 06:27, April 19, 2011 (UTC)

初音ミク、鏡音リンレン、巡音ルカ、新規男声ボカロなど、VOCALOID2 CVシリーズに関連する情報発信をするアカウントです. 尚、CVシリーズではありませんが、KAITOやMEIKOの開発情報に関してもこちらで取り扱いさせて頂いております. 担当:wat (佐々木)

Sorry, I'd ju8st like confirmation on some details, does this name the next CV series Vocaloid? A person just editor the wikia to add the name, I've also put the tweet up on VO forums to help quick this confirmed quickly. This sort of thing can get over hype too much and if wrong bad reactions. One-Winged Hawk 15:30, April 22, 2011 (UTC)

Mistranslations?
On the One Piece wikia, if we come across common or well known mistranslations, we add it as a footnote to explain why it is a mistranslation. Maybe a brief page note of such mistranslations would be better for the page?

I so do despise machine translators, their a joke more then anything. If you have 1 word to translated, their fine, if you have dozens, their rubbish. One-Winged Hawk 06:24, April 19, 2011 (UTC)

Urgent help needed
http://cu6ic.aikotoba.jp/index.html

Damesukekun, can you tell us what they are? I'm not going to ask you to translate everything, but it would be nice to know what they are about.

http://vocaloidotaku.net/index.php?/topic/17019-cu6ic/page__pid__361661__st__0&

Can you let the guys at VO forums know? One-Winged Hawk 17:34, April 24, 2011 (UTC)


 * Lol, that was quick, someone said what it was already, sorry for bothering you Damesukekun. One-Winged Hawk 18:09, April 24, 2011 (UTC)

New article for translating
http://www.itmedia.co.jp/news/articles/1104/15/news084.html

I was saying to Bunai as well, that I'll properly write up a translation list page, which will take stock/note of what articles have been translated and what are still waiting for translations. I be doing that some point this week. I don't know if it will make things easier, but can't hurt to at least spend some times making sure everythings done. One-Winged Hawk 06:49, April 30, 2011 (UTC) '''VY2, a Yamaha-genuine male Vocaloid will be released. We had an interview about the details of this new Vocaloid and let him sing readily with a background music created by GarageBand for iPad only.''' Yamaha has long been in the policy of offering its vocal synthesis technology VOCALOID to third parties, not in of distributing its own Voicebank. Female VOCALOID VY1, however, broke the practice last September with the selling style of mail-order at Bplats Vocaloid store only and with no avatar character. The company's male Vocaloid VY2 will be released on 25 April. The price is 11,800 yen. The Yamaha VOCALOID development team was interviewed about the details. His code name is Yuuma and his item is Wakizashi Nagimiso (なぎみそ) and Kazeno (風乃) undertook the illustration for VY2's package. Nagimiso drew two swords, Nagawakizashi (長脇差, Katana) and Wakizashi (脇差, short Katana or dagger). Kazeno drew the illustration for the inner sleeve, which was Japanese and SF styled with Tenshukaku (天守閣, Japanese castle tower) and two moons. Kimura Yoshikazu (木村義一) from Yamaha said they asked Nagimiso for a "handsome Katana" illustration. Other traditional Japanese items for a young man were also on their mind, but they chose Katana because other items would set the definite image on this new Vocaloid and they didn't like the idea. The VY2's code name was Yuuma, which reminds of a young Samurai. This Vocaloid has Katana and overlaps with Gakupo, who also has the same item. Yet Murakami Noboru (村上昇), the President of Internet Co. Ltd said yes to Yamaha. "Sounds good. Let them engage in a battle." was his comment and they reached the agreement amicably, maybe. VY2 is "a Vocaloid without avatar character" following VY1, but Kimira said, "We would like to hold a character contest for VY2." It is interesting to us what avatar character will be inspired from Wakizashi, Japanese-styled and handsome. Kimura also said he would like to hold a contest for VY1, too, with VY2. Feature and usability as a male VOCALOID Another demo song following to Asadoya Yunta (安里屋ユンタ, a folklore of Yaeyama Islands, Okinawa) is "Anata ni Hana o, Watashi ni Uta o" (貴方に花を 私に唄を, Flower for You, Song for Me) by Re:nG. We asked him to create the demo as one of the leading producers of male Vocaloids. The initial impression for the vocal was young, though a little husky at the same time. Koyama Masahiro (小山雅寛) from Yamaha said, "We didn't filter noise and made the voicebank natural-sounding." "Like VY1," Kimura said, "we valued fluency. We did anything we could do for user-friendliness." When recording VY1, illustrations were drawn on monotonous scripts (phonics for the Vocaloid recording), but VY2 scripts were without illustrations. The scripts used for the recording were exactly the same as VY1. They gave eel pie to the voice provider. They said the voice provider was still handsome when eating the pie. The provider is a young voice actor with several notable works. His name and age aren't disclosed. The only information is that he is the youngest of all the male voice provider. Net VocaListner and English VY series VY2's coming release was announced at Y2 AUTUMN 2010 in last fall. They made the comment that they would distribute VY2 by the end of that year. They were planning to attach Net VocaListner to VY2, which enables the natural-sounding vocal edit inputting a user's real singing. But the idea was abandoned. We asked why they gave up bundling it to VY2. Net VocaListener has two marketing directions - a simple, user-friendly tool for beginners or a professional computer music tool for advanced users. Tamura Motokazu (田邑元一) from Yamaha Development Research Center Y2 Project explained that they were considering which direction to adopt and the usage fee. Net VocaListener processes the parameters by the cloud computing, so Yamaha is discussing the fee system, either of monthly fee or lump-sum payment. User interface, which depends on target users - beginners or advanced users - is also on the agenda. Trying VY2 I had the chance to try VY2, so I report my impression. I installed VY2 on my Mac OS X via CrossOver Mac, still I had no trouble with Vocaloid2 infobox. The installed size was 732MB, almost the same as VY1. VY2 is the forth male Vocaloid2 on distribution, the others are Gakupoid, Hiyama Kiyoteru and Utatane Piko (excluded Kagamine Ren and Gachapoid). The main vocal range is set between Gakjupoid and Kiyoteru. Kimura said C2 is the best. C2 is quite a low tone even for a male Vocaloid and most male Vocaloid except for Gakupoid cannot generate the tone clearly. Yet VY2 can generate C2 strong. How nice. What a handsome voice. The term handsome matches his voice, too. His voice is not similar to any other male Vocaloid and sounds clear and forceful, because the voice provider is young. We let him sing a song for a demo. The demo song was "Toki no sugi yuku mama ni" (時の過ぎ行くままに, As Time Goes By) by Sawada Kenji (沢田研二). I tried to let other male Vocaloids sing this song but none of them could do well and I gave up doing. VY1 has the reputation for its fluency and Yamaha processed VY2 to be fluency, too. His voice don't have unwanted qualities. I can say his vocal is the best of all the male Vocaloids both in vowel and consonant generating. I used the default parameters with no DYN and PIT changes. (The following sentence seemed unnecessary for non-Japanese readers so I omitted it.) To be critic, あa with れre becomes げge, but you can solve the problem by dividing tracks or modifying tone length. The background song was created by only the sounds installed on Garageband for iPad. (http://blogs.itmedia.co.jp/closebox/2011/04/garageband-for--4ba7.html) I did it on purpose, because VY2 for iPad will be released, too. As of VY1, iVOCALOID-VY1t for iPhone and iVOCALOID-VY1 for iPad are already released with the original package for Windows. They are preparing to release the same versions of VY2 by this summer. When iVOCALOID-VY2 is distributed, you can create a song using Garageband on iPad and VY2 on iPad, too, and mix the song using your Macintosh. Once the data uploading between the applications which do not share compatibility now becomes available, you will be able to create a song using iPad, iPhone and Vocaloids on Windows.
 * His code name is Yuuma (勇馬, brave horse). Interview about this "handsome" Yamaha-genuine Vocaloid VY2.
 * They are discussiing English VY series as well, both male voicebank and female voicebank. They say they are going to decide whether they just utilize the large amounts of databese they already have, process and modify the databese or record new voicebanks. The Vocaloid platform itself gets updated day by day and voicebanks also need modifications, so they seem to have the intension to make new voicebank.
 * Done. Damesukekun 05:36, May 3, 2011 (UTC)


 * Oh don't worry, I'm not rushing you here. I don't care if you take a week or a month or even a century, lol. ;-) One-Winged Hawk 23:16, May 2, 2011 (UTC)

Question...
Do you know if the "SF-A2" in miki's name means anything Damesukekun? One-Winged Hawk 06:11, May 11, 2011 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I've made a research but have no idea about that. Damesukekun 04:46, May 12, 2011 (UTC)


 * Thats okay, thanks for that much, at least we know its not an obivous solution. One-Winged Hawk 05:49, May 12, 2011 (UTC)

Translations again
Sorry Demsukekun, I've been occupied the last week for one reason or anther. I was updating the MikuMikuDance page to try and get the message across about MMD violations being wrong and all, may I ask if there is anything else to note there? I didn't want to explain why its wrong to pass models around without premission too much because I don't quite know 100% why its bad beyond the trust matter which is easy to explain to an english reader anyway. Right now, I think its more important that information is got out that they just shouldn't do what they are doing and fill in the missing bits later.

I'm sorry for collecting these up as well, I usually kept an eye on things via VO forums but its currently down due to malware.

http://twitter.com/#!/vocaloid_cv_cfm/status/61040599524057088

http://twitter.com/#!/vocaloid_cv_cfm/status/68179987999629312

http://twitter.com/#!/vocaloid_cv_cfm/status/68183188400381952

http://twitter.com/#!/vocaloid_cv_cfm/status/68236136937553920

I'm working on the proper "translation check" page later to see what translations are around. One-Winged Hawk 14:33, May 13, 2011 (UTC) We are recording Kaito vivid and solid～power vocal libraries not with a standard microphone such as U87ai or so but with the latest equipments through trials and errors. I will adjust the current situation at the meeting with Yamaha tomorrow, and I hope I could announce the current development of Kaito, whose demos are suspended, as soon as possible. (I am really sorry for this slowness.) Brainstorming in pause: To begin with, we have to consider more the image to Miku those who came to know her through ads first have and those her fans on the web have, checking the different nationalities between the United States and Japan. Our center aim is, we are stressing the opinion "Hatsune Miku as a virtual singer". Is this okay or not? Thank you for your information. We will look up the situation. RT @CatandCloud The Facebook page of Toyota USA has the Miku special link. It says "Who is Miku?" but the link is dead. Do you know it?
 * "kaitoのvividや";
 * "明日のヤマハさんとの";
 * "ブレスト小休止中";
 * "情報有り難うございます";


 * Thanks for the translations. I keep having other tasks come up to fix with the wikia right now so everythings slow. One-Winged Hawk 21:22, May 14, 2011 (UTC)

Default picture
Thats fine I'll delete the image just to be safe anyway, I hardly know the MMD software itself and only used it a few times when I did have a go at it and only really looked at the Miku model. Even then I did it to get a screenshot, but we had one already of what I was after it turned out, this was some while ago. -_-' One-Winged Hawk 18:28, May 22, 2011 (UTC)

Question?
how do you find a list of NND Hall of Fame, the videos with 1,000,000 views? I'm trying to look at replace all the current video lists with just one list of the famous songs. ITs easier to maintain and avoids all those dodgey videos completely. Plus I can finally get a notice on the wikia for users to behave in Japan's NND. One-Winged Hawk 07:15, May 23, 2011 (UTC)

creator of mmd
Where is the information about him retiring? I am quite surprised. -- Bunai82 (talk) 17:00, May 28, 2011 (UTC)


 * This went on wikipedia earlier, I hung around to see if anyone in the MMD community reacted to it but everyone's slow over here it seems. If no one said anything I was going to remove it from wikipedia. One-Winged Hawk 17:05, May 28, 2011 (UTC)


 * I was invited to Nyappon the other day and I read his blog there. Damesukekun 17:10, May 28, 2011 (UTC)


 * Okay, thanks. Was it for a specific reason? -- Bunai82 (talk) 18:07, May 28, 2011 (UTC)


 * I don't know. He gave no specific clue on the blog. Damesukekun 01:24, May 29, 2011 (UTC)

Curiousity related question
http://engloid.web.fc2.com/index.html

Someone at VO would like to know what this is about.

http://z8.invisionfree.com/VocaloidOtaku/index.php?showtopic=13344&st=0&#entry2065391

Any chance you can tell Sleepy what this is? One-Winged Hawk 07:22, May 29, 2011 (UTC)

http://z8.invisionfree.com/VocaloidOtaku/index.php?showtopic=13344&st=0&#entry2065421 Damesukekun 14:18, May 29, 2011 (UTC)
 * They are planning to make Doujin works of Engloids for Vocaloid M@ster 17 on September.

And another Twitter Translation
I apologise for this;

http://twitter.com/#!/vocaloid_cv_cfm/status/13408344345673729

Can you translate this? Their relying on Bebel translation this time it seems, which is even worst then google translator. >_<' One-Winged Hawk 07:25, May 29, 2011 (UTC)


 * The progress level of each Vocaloid will be described as MEIKO > LUKA >> KAITO, judging by the voicebank recording progress. As of Meiko alone, we already made a consumer test with 8,000 scale people and we received a positive response, so we are not so worried about changing her platform from Vocaloid1. Only core Vocaloid users and listeners, though, will be for our optimistic opinion currently. Damesukekun 14:18, May 29, 2011 (UTC)


 * It goes Kaito first, then Luka then Meiko right? Or have I got that round the wrong way? One-Winged Hawk 14:29, May 29, 2011 (UTC)


 * Meiko comes first, then Luka follows. Kaito is far off behind of them. Damesukekun 15:37, May 29, 2011 (UTC)


 * In maths terms ">" always reflects the the largest over the smallest with the point at the largest amount, but some use it as arrows pointing direction... Thats where I get confused. I always think of it as a "greater then" symbol... >_<' One-Winged Hawk 15:46, May 29, 2011 (UTC)


 * No problem, some Japanese use math marks to cut words. It's a kind of Japanese internet slang. I'm a math teacher and this misuse really annoys me, too. Damesukekun 23:22, May 29, 2011 (UTC)

SailorEarth
The matter has gotten silly, she had the oppotunity to speak to us, I kept clearing the air for her to talk...

She is her own worst enemy, but this was an issue for her and the modders to resolve. Yeah, they needed help sending her a message but this... Its sort of the point where all the trolls harrassing her crossed the line. I can't stress that though she deserved punishment for all her actions in the end, but not in this. I know how the net works, but when the Encyclopedia Dramatica wikia is pulled into the frame, then its pretty much gone overboard. :-/

They don't even side with us since they put Vocaloid down anyway. The whole sites really just an excuse to condemn a set of individuals on the net, made worst by the fact she showed her face in her videos. I can't say she was a bright spark because she fed all those trolls attacking her.

I apologise Damesukekun, I'm on the supporting side of the MMD model producers here, but not on the supporting side of the trollers here. I think... If she is bright she'll just disappear. I don't even think there time left for her to talk to us now. I don't know, she was against talking to the wikia, but wikia staff have duties to protect editors. I'd made sure at least she got the time to speak, I mean I gave Ricardo the chance, okay he LIED to us. I still gave him the chance... And worst the Vocaloid wikia is used as cannon fire when its suppose to be trying to stay neutral. This really is all a pain.

Bunai's handled this the best out of the staff members, I appaulled Bunai for that. O Herman... Ack... He is on the side of the trolls it seems. I don't know, on VO he called her a cancer that needed to be cut out. Even the guys at VO forums attacked him for calling her that. And the worst part is in all of this, but her listing on Encyclopedia Dramatica, the trolls have now bcome far, far, far worst then she is. I don't give any love towards her, since this was her own fault... Still, at least the MMD model producers got *some* justice. I don't know if they appricate this though... Really, someone should have challenged her quoting of the laws and actually taking her to court, it would have been a better example as it would have been proof you just can't twist the laws like this to justify breaking them. And, we would have had a case scenario to warn other MMD users with. We can't even link to Encyclopedia on this wikia, it doesn't allow it. The results are USELESS in sending a message to the other MMD rule breakers. :-/ One-Winged Hawk 06:18, May 31, 2011 (UTC)


 * I also want to thank you for clearing the Blacklists talk pages, I think its best to avoid as little oppotunities for this to happen again. One-Winged Hawk 06:21, May 31, 2011 (UTC)


 * I won't hide it, I have very thin tolerance for people like her. Harsh as it may seem, she really deserve what she got. Sorry guys, but she's beyond redemption, and you can see it with your two eyes that she is. I would've held back if she was sincere and knew her wrongdoings, but in this case, she knows she's wrong (or pretending to be on the good side) and is thrashing everyone else who contradicts her. Seriously, she is a person you wouldn't want walking around. O Herman 06:50, May 31, 2011 (UTC)


 * Yeah, now theres no where for her to hide! They have literally posted every speck of information they can grab on her! Now she can't even walk away! I just looked at the ED page again, its exploded over night. O Herman, your words throughout this are disappointing... I will note here though O Herman, I hate to say it but you've come very close to over stepping the line in all of this. I won't hold you against what your actions are outside of the Vocaloid wikia because different sites have different communities and what goes on in VO, Vocaloidism and this wikia stays in those respective sites... But even then, posting her name on the main page was bad enough... One-Winged Hawk 06:58, May 31, 2011 (UTC)


 * So explain ultimately: Why shouldn't we reveal her name (as in the handle she uses) here when it is general knowledge she has been involved in discrepancies? How will the people know who just tuned in right now that this person did this and that?
 * Without telling names, our blacklist could be questioned. This is one thing I don't understand about you; her actions are now general knowledge, and yet you still want to protect her. O Herman 07:09, May 31, 2011 (UTC)


 * I'm NOT protecting her, I'm seperating the wikias involvement in this because some idiot decided we should become canon fuel. If her name remains on the blacklist we'll end up being used over and over again. I only give sympathy for the ED listing, nothing more and nothing less. Really, we don't get links to MMD PVS that often and I'll keep an eye out myself for hers anyway. Please respect the desire to get the wikia out of this position we've been put in, it sort of goes agains the wikia staff's guidelines. If not for the ED listing, her name could have stayed, this is why I stress this has now gone too far in the wrong direction. I'd gladly have left the name on if say, it went to a court of law. The way people are using us I stress takes us out of neutral stance. I know you dislike her O Herman, but your in the staffing of two wikias that I know of at least. You must be aware of these things yoruself. I don't want to start an arguement here I note, I just want to make sure we're doing what we're suppose to. >_< One-Winged Hawk 08:06, May 31, 2011 (UTC)


 * All right, point taken that you are not protecting her, good.
 * However, if you ask me, IMO, the vocaloid wikia will remain neutral even if we put her name on it. Never had such problems back in UTAU though, it also acted as a potent deterrent. No one's arguing here, I'm just giving my two cents. If the wikia here wants neutrality, by all means I will respect that. But don't cut off the blacklist's fangs and teeth, that's all I ask. O Herman 08:16, May 31, 2011 (UTC)

By the way, she showed bitchiness to me, too. "They are total strangers who blocked me without ever having the courage to come﻿ forth and talk things out with me. That sounds really mature of Vocaloid Wiki, doeasn't it? They spread hate, thinly veild as "help" against alot of MMD fans. It's gotten out of hand."Damesukekun 08:59, May 31, 2011 (UTC)
 * Could you (Angel Emfbl) or Bunai send e-mail to her again saying she has the chance of one-week period to explain herself? If she doesn't reply to us at all, I think we can blacklist her by name again.


 * "They are total strangers who blocked me without ever having the courage to come﻿ forth and talk things out with me." Hah, and she thinks we don't read her other correspondences with other people? Goodluck to anyone who will try. I believe Angel already tried and ended up being blocked. O Herman 09:25, May 31, 2011 (UTC)

I'll try the e-mail. I honestly believe at this point, after all the chances we're giving her, if she doesn't take 'em, thats it. I really want the whole matter dropped on the wikia, and this will mean no more mentions at all and I hope the MMD community moves on. One-Winged Hawk 09:32, May 31, 2011 (UTC)


 * As annoying as that may seem to do, that is fair. In the case of this time round, things quickly esculated and what was an innocent posting of someone's misuse got us more trouble then it was worth. I also think its further got to be expanded up. Pocaloid and keygen listings are pretty easy to handle, we can't list the PVs. MMD and others, well... I actually think in terms of MMD it might after all of this be worth just leaving out. Really, we only got this trouble because we started listing MMD users. But that is not for me to decide, and honestly, I'd like all those working on this wikia define something for listing MMD users. I also note, reprints without premission was the next thing to single out as a reason for blacklist or MP3 handouts without premission (even cover songs). But we've got to sort this out first now. One-Winged Hawk 14:49, May 31, 2011 (UTC)

Help
http://vocaloid.blog120.fc2.com/blog-entry-8741.html

I guess theres a mascot mention here for VY1 and VY2, and I can work out the rest are honorable mentions. Can you possible help identify who is what and why the images are for. I'd like to add them to the wikia, however, I'd like to make sure I've got all the credits right on who made the artwork. I'm not going to ask for a full translation though. One-Winged Hawk 09:32, May 31, 2011 (UTC)

Two applicants won Best Pictures. Muraichi (むらいち) won the prize with Ring Suzunone (鈴音リング Susunone Ringu; "Bell Sound Ring"). Eucaly (ユーカリ Yuukari, meaning Eucalyptus) won with Rui (ルイ Rui *I think Eucaly meant "Louis", but I'm not sure). The professional illustrator 119 (read as Hikeshi), who drew the pictures for Melt, improved the characters. Rui was renamed as Rui Hibiki (響ルイ Hibiki Rui; "Echo/Resound Rui"). The voice provider for Suzune is Daisy × Daisy MiKA, a professional vocalist. Hibiki is still wanting his voice provider. These two newcomers will be released in from this autumn to the next summer. Two other applicants, Rimiko (リミコ) and Mambou no ane (マンボウの姉) won Excellent Pictures. Rimiko's Kobushikiku (コブシキク) and Mambou's 66 (read as Roro) will be adopted as the official avatar characters for YV1 and YV2 respectively. Five applicants were honored. Petit Devil (プチデビル Puchidebiru) with Sayo, Tekuyama Tekuo (テク山テク夫) with Saya Shizune (静音サヤ Shizune Saya), Mana Takeuchi (竹内真菜 Takeuchi Mana) with Noko Tokine (時音ノコ Tokine Noko), Manzu (まんず) with SERIO and Utsumi (うつみ) with Riru Inorine (祈音リル Inorine Riru). They will be used as official characters of Vocaloid Festa. They will continue this project.
 * This article is about "Project: Vocaloid of Everyone", the attempt to create new fanmade Vocaloids with the full support of Yamaha. The award ceremony was held at Vocaloid Festa02 on May 29, 2011.


 * Thanks, I'm catching up today since though I'm still ill I feel better then I was yesturday. :-)


 * BTW I PMed you, check your e-mail. One-Winged Hawk 08:34, June 5, 2011 (UTC)

Wikia stuff
I got some basics out of this; http://www.asahi.com/digital/bcnnews/BCN201106060011.html

Can you translate please.

How is the situation over CNSE BTW, I forgot to ask earlier? If you don't want to say it out loud, you can e-mail me. If you don't mind I'd like to e-mail you about it anyway. I'll e-mail you tomorrow morning to just talk about it in fact... Its 00:37, so I've run out of omph for the day, sorry about delaying it for tomorrow. :-/ One-Winged Hawk 23:38, June 6, 2011 (UTC)

E Frontier will release "Shade 12 Basic feat. Megurine Luka" on July 1. The package includes the 3D modeling software "Shade 12", 3D Blu-ray movie "Corruption Garden feat. Megurine Luka" and the modeling data of Luka "Shade modeling database Megurine Luka". The price is 14,800 yen. Shade modeling database Megurine Luka was composed by IKEDA for Corruption Garden feat. Megurine Luka. The database includes Luka's various hairstyles, clothes and postures. Uses can use rendered movies for secondary creations under the condition of non-commercial purpose. This software suppports Windowe XP, Vista and 7 and Mac OS X 10.5 and 10.6. Damesukekun 14:56, June 8, 2011 (UTC)
 * The summary is this;


 * Thank you very much! I think its lucky, I don't have to lumper you with translating anything today. The events of today were covered at Vocaloid Otaku pretty well, Vocaloidism hasn't moved yet, but they are now aware of what went on today if they weren't. ^_^ One-Winged Hawk 15:42, June 8, 2011 (UTC)

CNSE
Though I'm sure everyone on this site is sick of hearing of this name, how is she reformed. The models in question had been removed some time ago but that was not her only task Im sorry if I appear to attached to this "case" but as one of the people she "attacked" I want to make sure that all information is seen first. I saw her for her true self and she is incapable of regret or respect towards others and has marred the name of the overseas mmd community greatly and irreversably in some eyes. Daniru17 16:49, June 9, 2011 (UTC)
 * 1) Take down the models in question. Remove them from uploaded sites and and declare that you are dropping support for those said models.
 * 2) That goes for all your aggression-laced videos too. (they are all still there and she even posted a new one)
 * 3) Issue an apology to Saboten, Isao, the MMD community, and those you've wronged, those you've blocked from the fallout of your MMD actions.(Continues to insult Saboten, Nanami, and a the community in general)
 * 4) Let the people know you have been made aware of the real issues and answer questions if there are.(Is not aware in any way)
 * 5) Ignore all kinds of aggression. Don't reply, don't give any witty comebacks. Not yet.(This will likely not happen very long)
 * 6) Respect. Respect is a mutual experience, what you give is what you get. Do things you want others to do to you.(She has shown none to anyone, and her latest video has disrespect towards the wikia)
 * 7) Open communication lines all the time. Misunderstandings, miscommunications and misinterpretations are all solved by one thing; communication. The exchange of ideas and insights is what informs us. Remember this. When one claims he or she knows everything, that person truly does not know anything at all. Learning is a lifetime process and does not end in schools.(Has still blocked dozens of people and anyone with a diffenent opinion is blocked right away)
 * 8) Be aware of your actions, and do things when you are conscious or aware, not blinded by things like emotion or fatigue. (She has yet to do that)
 * Please understand that our aim is to build a better fandom hand in hand, not to expose ill-mannered fans. We do not tolerate persistent bullying as well as persistent guideline violation. If she should go against the rules, she has no second chance. I impose infinite blacklisting on her without any hesitation. Damesukekun 16:55, June 9, 2011 (UTC)
 * I guess I can't really argue with this. At least it will likely be about a week before she DOES do that. Hopefully her band of supporters won't start their illegal edit party again Daniru17 16:57, June 9, 2011 (UTC)


 * Damesukekun has pretty much hit it, there can be no second chance after reforming. We're not so cute here we'd not consider re-blacklisting her. We can't let that slide and the MMD community will just go nuts over her if she falls back into her old habbits. With her being known to ED as well here, its best she plays it safe from now on. One-Winged Hawk 17:02, June 9, 2011 (UTC)
 * I just want to add that she never actually did take the model links down. It's still available. All she did was remove the first video. The links are still available in her other video and they work. Tsuruhime 17:49, June 10, 2011 (UTC)
 * I just want to add that she never actually did take the model links down. It's still available. All she did was remove the first video. The links are still available in her other video and they work. Tsuruhime 17:49, June 10, 2011 (UTC)


 * Can anyone confirm that? I've got my hands full setting up an internet cafe right now. O Herman 19:16, June 10, 2011 (UTC)


 * It's a default/Animasa model so you can edit and/or redistribute it. Damesukekun 03:44, June 11, 2011 (UTC)

Oh I relooked at the video today. Yesterday, the link was still up on that "MMD models are free" video, but I guess she removed it today. If someone were to be desperate enough though, they could still download it via google copy paste link. In other words it's still on her site even though the link's gone. But the Toyota stage is still available, which she was supposed to ask permission from Anomaro and the Toyota company for. (W-whoops! I'm so sorry. I have no idea what just happened for the comments to suddenly change positions. ^^;;;;; )Tsuruhime 21:32, June 10, 2011 (UTC)
 * In cases like this it is plausible to upload a screenshot onto the wikia, we aill allow it. If you have an art program, push the "Print scrn" button on the keyboard or "Print" and paste it into an art software. One-Winged Hawk 20:51, June 10, 2011 (UTC)


 * The link is to a stage, not a model. As stated she already removed model links and deleted the video to the other. I am pretty sure there is no permission required to use Corolla Miku's image as a stage. -- Bunai82 (talk) 23:40, June 10, 2011 (UTC)

Anomaro requires permission to distribute his works, be they stage or model. As for Toyota's Miku image, it's a copyrighted picture. Fair use isn't applied here since she used the original image. She needs to have permission from Toyota.Tsuruhime 23:54, June 10, 2011 (UTC)


 * You can contact her about Anomaro and Toyota if you want. Point is, she is not doing it maliciously as she did with the SaboMiku. As before the main situation is done and as Damesukekun put, she is not going to be blacklisted for being ill-mannered by having an opinion or for ranting. -- Bunai82 (talk) 02:54, June 11, 2011 (UTC)


 * "she is not going to be blacklisted for being ill-mannered by having an opinion or for ranting."
 * Well Bunai82, that's EXACTLY what I just got blacklisted for. The entire story, all the emails and the video can be found here: http://www.facebook.com/notes/fight-mikumikudance-mmd-vocaloid-and-utau-bullies-online/an-email-from-someone-who-blacklists-on-vocaloid-wikia/227928233927480 I'm sorry this blew out of proportion, but those blacklists are getting alot of KIDS bullied now, despite everyone's intentions. I'm also sorry to see that Damesuke-san felt the need to talk about me behind my back and send me threats. I hope I'm the ONLY person she does this with, and that nobody under the age of 18 is dealing with this. CodenameSailorEarth 07:33, October 9, 2011 (UTC)

The Korean Vocaloid
Do you know if she has been named? Also is there a picture, the guys at VO have pulled up a picture that seems to be her. One-Winged Hawk 08:49, June 10, 2011 (UTC)
 * I think the Korean newcomer has no name or concept art yet. I only know the voice provider is Kim Dae-Hee from GLAM. Damesukekun 13:47, June 10, 2011 (UTC)

Nero_Akita
I'm not sure about Nero's history over at nicopedia, could you kindly confirm if that was written correctly? The reason I updated Nero is because, as a result of my current project, I've allocated a voice for Nero. O Herman 13:31, June 12, 2011 (UTC)
 * Thank you for starting the article. I made a slight modification. Damesukekun 14:51, June 12, 2011 (UTC)

Small question
Someone posted this video to the VocaloidOtaku forums saying the clips are improved samples for Kaito Append, but personally, I doubt it - I tried using online translators to get a vague idea of what the title and description say, but unfortunately they're all spouting out complete nonsense. My idea is that someone "recreated" the Appends with Kaito's V1 bank, but I'm not sure. Could you confirm if these samples are real or not? I hope things like this aren't a bother to you. Filit 19:56, June 12, 2011 (UTC)


 * The title says "Kaito seemingly imitated an Append demo." This is just a fanmade video challenging the limitation of Vocaloid1 (or 1.1) platform. Damesukekun 22:29, June 12, 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks a lot for clearing this up. I'll inform the others about it. Filit 22:55, June 12, 2011 (UTC)

More translations

 * 1) この後、久々にkaitoの音声収録（この辺で収録は中盤になります）頑張ります〜.
 * 2) 風雅さんと声のイメージの話をしながら「力み具合」と「伸び具合」について調整してます. ここが結構難しい. ..
 * 3) 本日メインのKAITOっぽい声の収録は大体終わったので、余った時間でwhisperのクオリティを上げるための収録中.
 * 4) 風雅さん、専門的にジャズのスタンダードを歌われるから、発音記号にも強い訳なんですね. なっとく、なっとく.

Okay this ones gonna be important because one of the machine translations at VO threw up something that needs to be translated correctly before confusion hits. mostly twet no. 3 is the one that will cause the confusion. One-Winged Hawk 09:45, June 14, 2011 (UTC)


 * 1) After that, we recorded Kaito's vocal after a long interval. (The recording has been done almost halfway.) We'll continue to do our best.
 * 2) We are discussing the vocal image with Fuuga-san and adjusting vocal strength and sustain. This is fairly difficult.
 * 3) We have almost finished today's main recording, the classic/Vocaloid1-sounding Kaito recording, so we are doing another to enhance the quality of whisper append in the extra time.
 * 4) Fuuga-san is a professional standard jazz singer so he is good at reading phonetic symbols. We've got it. Damesukekun 14:27, June 14, 2011 (UTC)

Okay there were some confusions at VO forums before this tweet. Basically, one of the members noted that Kagamines and Miku both got 6 Append voicebanks. Kaito's only fixed number was "6 were recorded, 2 axed". Previously, we all thought that was Vivid, Power, Solid and Soft, but then Whisper showed up. I do note the tweet had it written as "Power~Solid" (or was "Solid~Power"), now we have a classic vocal recorded and confirmed. Is it possible you can bring everyone up to speed and just clarify what vocals are confirmed so far, if possible.

I apologise, its just the issue with Twitter and how its set up, there are many lines of thought to follow sometimes listed at once. Its hard to track them all. I admit, I'm not a Twitter fan, don't use it and its becoming difficult to keep up with all of this. :-/ One-Winged Hawk 07:42, June 15, 2011 (UTC)


 * Don't worry, I know what you meant with Kaito and I've spent a couple of hours how to reword it. I know its impossible to literally recreate Vocaloid results, so I guessed "classic" just meant "familair" in a way. I myself didn't know if I should attempt to word it earlier. I'm still not sure if I got it rightly worded even now. One-Winged Hawk 17:03, June 15, 2011 (UTC)

Miku Zatsune
Something in her history doesn't feel right. Can you look her up in Nicopedia and see her real history? I'd do it myself if it wasn't for the fact I ate something bad and is moderately incapacitated. O Herman 20:43, June 15, 2011 (UTC)
 * She is all forgot in Japan and the Nicopedia article says nothing special... I just added the creator and release date. Damesukekun 00:05, June 16, 2011 (UTC)

This is the issue I have with the fanmades, we can't track them all. Lately I've been thinking maybe should retire fanmades altogether except the offically accepted ones like Haku and Neru because they have made a name for themselves.

Dame, if you don't mind me asking what is the current state of fanmades in Japan? One-Winged Hawk 08:29, June 16, 2011 (UTC)
 * You can find tons of countless fanmades in Piapro, Nicovideo and Pixiv but most of them are not popular at all. I agree with your idea that we accept only official ones. Damesukekun 13:54, June 16, 2011 (UTC)


 * Official+fanmade seems oxymoronic. lol
 * Just keep notable fanmades on one page with a summary and voice config (if provided). The pages for them started that way in the first place. Kaito's family for example, Kaiko isn't recognized as 'official' by Crypton or Yamaha, but she is popular within the fandom, she recently got an updated model for MMD and attire, she has become quite a stand-out character as oppose to just being a gender swap of Kaito. -- Bunai82 (talk) 14:17, June 16, 2011 (UTC)

Some long term confusion
Its regarding Meiko Haigō and the vocal Meiko. For a long time the western fandom has said Meiko is only BASED on Meiko Haigō and that Meiko Haigō did not provide Meiko's vocal. In other words what they are say is that Meiko's vocals were machine generated to match Meiko Haigō's. Can you confirmed just what Meiko's voice draws its source from, is it Meiko Haigō or was she just made up to sound like Meiko Haigō. This is just to statisfy the VO guys... -_-

I feel silly asking this... But since I'm not such if its a mistranslation or everyone isn't reading it right, or that its correct entirely. I'd rather know 100% for sure its correct before I ask although I feel silly for asking. One-Winged Hawk 19:17, June 23, 2011 (UTC)

Haigo is the REAL voice provider for the Vocaloid Meiko. She leaves no official comment about this as far as I have searched for, but JP wikipedia confirms this. また、人工的に人声ボーカルを作り上げる歌声合成ソフトであるVOCALOIDの日本語・女性版「MEIKO」の声を担当した人物である（実際に彼女の声がマルチサンプリングされている）. Perhaps this description has brought that prevailing misunderstanding. In this case, the term 人工的に "artificially" modifies 作り上げる "make up" but it can also be read as modifying 担当した "took on", which interpretation I think is the source of this rumor. Yet the following sentence in the brackets blows off the confusion saying "Her voice is actually multi-sampled." (bold mine) Damesukekun 15:14, June 24, 2011 (UTC)
 * Also, if this is a misunderstanding, its going to mean someone has to add this to the mythbusters page. This has been said 1000x times since I joined the fandom. It sort of will affect the Meiko page because if its artifical it has to be noted. I do recall someone mentioning months ago there was no way it was artifical and that Meiko Haigō WAS the provider. But you know, I can't find the source of this on VO because its buried on either VO forums old or new and I have no idea where or what I'm looking for to make that search. So... Erm... Yeah... thats why I'm asking for clasification. =_= One-Winged Hawk 19:24, June 23, 2011 (UTC)
 * Where in the world does this rumor come from? lol


 * From what I know, Crossfrown wrote a history article at VO forums old. In it, Crossfown wrote "based on", wikipedia also has "based on" and we still have "based on" written. I do remember when I brought this up before, Crossfrown was the one who reacted with surprise, I have no idea why I remember that, my memory is wierd. But some take it as gospel. One-Winged Hawk 06:17, June 25, 2011 (UTC)

Please be careful with blocks
I am not sure what happened, but you blocked me instead of the IP. Also I found the IP's edits to be minor and not deserving of a month block, they are not malicious edits just annoying edits, hopefully a day block will calm them down a bit. -- Bunai82 (talk) 03:28, June 25, 2011 (UTC)
 * Oops... sorry. Damesukekun 08:32, June 25, 2011 (UTC)

Translate Help
A nice person told me to come to you. I want to ask if you can help me translate a message for Anomaro. I don't know if he can read english and I don't want to say something rude to him. I made my own FL-Chan but I didn't take it from Anomaro FL-Chan. But I still want to ask him if I can distribute my model because it look just like his and I don't want people to think I rip his model and trying to claim it as mine. If you can help please and thank you for your time. If you can and if it not to much can you e-mail me at Saiyukistar@hotmail.com Thank you again

24.242.57.122 00:55, July 4, 2011 (UTC)Raven Uzuki-Chan

Nyappon
Hi Damesukekun, explaining the situation about Nyappon is a little hard because I'm not a member of the site and my Japanese is only basic at the best of times. I can only respond to this based on the little I know from past fandoms that had something simalair. The guys at Vocaloidism, because I'm trying to get this info passed around because of the recent beggars on VO forums, might need some clarification on what Nyappon is. They understand you can't just invite random youtubers, so thats not the problem here.

http://www.vocaforum.com/showthread.php?p=92405&posted=1#post92405

Also, have we all got the information here on the site correct on both VO forums and the Vocaloid wikia?

I apologise once again, since its a Japanese site the overseas fans shouldn't really be asking for access to the site unless they have Japanese skills anyway. Why VO forums has had beggars in the first place I don't know. From what I gather its not what a few of the beggars are thinking it is when they beg to join. Regardless, anyone who invites them is asking for trouble anyway and deserves what they get since they should know better. One-Winged Hawk 07:26, August 13, 2011 (UTC) Sure, I'm going to add some lines to your edit. Damesukekun 10:41, August 13, 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh no sorry, it's not your fault at all. I really appreciate your speaking for Japanese creators.


 * Go ahead. One-Winged Hawk 18:04, August 13, 2011 (UTC)

please
PLEASE PUT THE ENGLISH LYRICS FOR MELT ON ITS PAGE!!! when i tried to do it, they deleted it T_Tmikachuu 19:40, August 25, 2011 (UTC)
 * We do not provide or recommend any English lyrics/translation, for we have no way to verify the accuracy and reliability of each translation. Thank you for understanding. Damesukekun 06:53, August 27, 2011 (UTC)

Luna
There's been talk about "Luna", I would like to know if she is or is not a vocaloid. The article that she is mentioned in is here; http://vocaloid.blog120.fc2.com/

(I've never used the wikia before so forgive me if I'm not using the talk page correctly!) ~anon
 * Little is know about her currently. Just watch how it goes. Damesukekun 12:57, September 17, 2011 (UTC)

A certain anon...
I'm not going to mention a name, but I understand the Blacklist has a name on it again.

Vocaloid 3 is out on the 21st, we'll have our attentions drawn on it right? This is bad timing and we can't afford to be dealing with this when Vocaloid 3 comes out. There is a plea of silence on the matter on the blacklist talk page and for now until things become a little bit clearer on whats going to happen this time.

I can't say I didn't expect this case to flare up again, because I knew it would... But I'm sure theres a little more to it then just a disregard to rules. :-/ One-Winged Hawk 17:31, October 9, 2011 (UTC)
 * Fair enough. No cure for that pest. Let us focus on the coming Vocaloid3. Damesukekun 18:26, October 9, 2011 (UTC)


 * That user also is attempting to shut down all forms of blacklist that has her name on it. It's too bad, nothing on the Wikia says it is forbidden. *trollface* O Herman 02:53, October 10, 2011 (UTC)


 * That means, she feels tied down by the trap she herself placed. I already took a countermeasure on YouTube and it worked. I alerted VocaloidOtaku and Nyappon of this person's coming back, too. Well, I'm going to expose her phony lies one by one until she gives up attacking me. Damesukekun 03:56, October 10, 2011 (UTC)


 * This sounds interesting. I'd like to see these things you did. O Herman 04:10, October 10, 2011 (UTC)


 * I just say "Thank you advertising my channel. Many viewers have the nice chance to see the facts." Well, I got five new subscriptions after she spread my channel. lol Damesukekun 04:36, October 10, 2011 (UTC)


 * Spoken like a true boss! *high5s* Also her ludicrous claims makes some nice FAQ material. I should reread her zany claims and start putting them in the FAQ. O Herman 05:00, October 10, 2011 (UTC)


 * This is getting stupid, she has now pretty much bitten the hand that helpe her previously. We'r not harressing he, we're all just tired and what goes on beyond the wikias walls are nothing to do with the wikia itself. I cannot stop what you guys do and even if I block you guys here. She is doing far worst then anything you guys throw at her and your reacting to a troll anyway. This is going to get ugly from now on and theres nothing the wikias involved could do. Even if you guys no step in, others have already armed missles elsewhere. What can we do? Nothing.


 * I just checked ED, they are aware she is back to boot. I want no wikia involved but she insists on attacking us? Does she know we are not the only place she has to deal with? Vocaloidism and VO forums both are drawinf swords too and she has NO authority or word there on those forums and no control over the fans. She can talk to us, but we knew she'd not follow the help we've offer and sure enough... We're were the only ones prepared to tolerate her long enough to let her talk. The fact we're not discussing this anymore pretty much means she is alone this time. Having no one to sit down and discuss with her means she is in deep trouble and I don't think she realises what she walked into. -_-


 * So... Who wants popcorn? One-Winged Hawk 08:34, October 10, 2011 (UTC)


 * All-butter popcorn please.
 * It's no secret me, damesuke, and possibly bunai as well is as fed up with her as we could ever be. She's wasting our time, but not being aware of her actions is also just as bad.
 * I'm not helping bald-faced liars. O Herman 08:42, October 10, 2011 (UTC)


 * Excuse me *munching pop-corn*, but I also took a peep at ED, they've already begun updating the page which I knew would happen. Plus *munches on more popcorn* I warned about it yesturday and consider I told her not to come back as CNSE or attack anyone and that she is now trying to use the wikia guidelines for her own means... *pauses* yeah, actually, wikipedia doesn't have blacklists because it flat out bans. But even then with wikipedia *munch* you get no way out of it once it happens, and wikipedia DOES have notes here and there (former wikipedian speaking here) on things and so forth, its just they're not collected together in one place. They also have vote lists where they agree to block users and sites and so forth. She also missed the single most important issue; we're not wikipedia! The rules on the wikia and wikipedia are not 100% identical though they share many common things its because by law they have to do it that way. *Continues munching on popcorn because she realised CNSE just spoke about a subject (wikipedia) again she knows nothing on and mad a fool of herself again*. One-Winged Hawk 08:50, October 10, 2011 (UTC)


 * No comment. I only have invective to say for her confusing wikipedia and wikia. O Herman 08:53, October 10, 2011 (UTC)

It's time to expose her next lie. Follow me on YouTube. Oh, SEGA announced that Teto became available on Project DIVA2. Damesukekun 14:10, October 10, 2011 (UTC)


 * As I just mentioned to O Herman, Vocaloids in UTAU don't sound like Vocaloids in... Vocaloid. In one of her videos, she claims we go around pointing fingers and blacklisting everyone who sounds remotely like a vocaloid. If we did that we'd be here all day! You know how many voices sound the same as exiting Vocaloids? The ones listed on the UTAU, and in particular cases of note like Ricardo that did make it on their blacklist, all gave the game away and revealed what they had done. She is so stupid to claim that we do this because she reveals she knows NOTHING on either software by claiming that!


 * Argh! Messy, messy, messy troll! Yet another matter she spoke upon that she know not what she on about. Why does she do this all of the time, how are we suppose to give sympathy or take her serious when she ALWAYS gets stuff wrong like this?!?! One-Winged Hawk 14:25, October 10, 2011 (UTC)


 * Ah, oh, she made me snap at her finally on this matter... I think I'll step out of this for a few hours, I need to calm down. O_O One-Winged Hawk 14:32, October 10, 2011 (UTC)


 * I can tell you how to deal with this kind of person. PM me if needed. Damesukekun 15:01, October 10, 2011 (UTC)

Second thought lne here, can I ask something on MMD Dame because its mostly beyond me... Now what CNSE is doing would not be allowed technically in vocaloids terms because it goes against the Vocaloid software agreement right? Does the MMD agreement "match up" to the Vocaloid agreement about politics, harressment, etc. She may have possibly broken the rules on that if so first time around and is doing ditto this time round. I don't know if anyone ever has considered this, this is not breaking modellers guidelines, this is breaking the MMD guidelines themselves. :-/ One-Winged Hawk 15:05, October 10, 2011 (UTC)

The Wikia TOS
Ok, you really need to see this. It will explain what I said before and in the video.

This is on the Wikia Terms of Service page. (As in THE Wikia, not the Vocaloid Wikia.)

You agree not to use the Service to:

So that's why I posted the video. I was trying to warn you guys, so you DON'T lose your accounts. Where I'm from, a video like what I posted is called "tough love".
 *  Harass members of the Service; (I read Damesuke's posts on various talk pages.)
 * Use the Service in any unlawful manner or in any other manner which could damage, impair, or overburden the site; (Well you didn't do that.)
 * Post, upload, transmit, share, or store content which is unlawful, defamatory, infringing, obscene, or invasive of another's right to privacy or publicity; (Some English dictionaries define a blacklist as defamatory. Damesuke-san, your insults about me on your talk page don't help matters. That's NOT me trying to troll or be mean {sorry again} but this is a problem.)
 * Impersonate another entity or person; (Nope, you're clear.)
 * Post, upload, transmit, share, or store unsolicited or unauthorized advertising, solicitations, "spam", or any other type of unauthorized solicitation; (Nope, you're ok.)
 * Solicit personal information from any user under the age of 18; (I saw you guys posted the REAL names of people on the Blacklist. With NO way to guarantee their REAL ages, you might want to re-think this.)
 * Access or attempt to access any information on the Service through an interface other than the Service or otherwise approved by the Company; (No clue what that means, but I'm sure you're ok.)
 * Solicit passwords or other information for unlawful purposes. (Nobody does that.)

Damesuke, I'm sorry this didn't work out, but posting mean things about me on your YouTube page isn't helping matters. I think though that you're very passionate, and that's a VERY good trait, so I can see why you sent me all those flame letters. I see your point, but this is getting really bad. Please, let's both think this through.

Alright, peace out! CodenameSailorEarth 06:09, October 10, 2011 (UTC)


 * 1) applies to Wikia alone. Whatever happens outside the Wikia is not covered by it.
 * 2) Defamatory? Lies about policies, like the ones you keep churning out in your videos bear more weight than the so-called defamatory things damesuke bring up. And even then, the stuff damesuke has is backed up by real-world laws and policies. Bottom line? It's not defamatory if it has a legal basis.
 * 3) *Solicit personal information from any user under the age of 18 <--- only if proven under 18. Nobody is a psychic to know their true age.


 * The problem is not with us; it's what you spoke of in your videos. The blacklist is fine and dandy, and other sites keep a similarly-functioning blacklist, like yours in moonsisters.org. Remember this? http://moonsisters.org/moonsisters/SHAMEshameSHAME/shameonyou.htm


 * How can you argue that we shouldn't be keeping a blacklist when you maintain one yourself? O Herman 08:48, October 10, 2011 (UTC)


 * I exposed another lie of CNSE. Follow me on YouTube. I have more than 100 visitors since CNSE launched an attack on me. More and more visitors. Damesukekun 14:26, October 10, 2011 (UTC)

I'm Concerned...
What is happening?

Σ（・皿・；）

There have been attacks on the wikia?! What is this- I don't- What is going on? This is getting me worried... K4KING 07:08, October 18, 2011 (UTC)


 * We are investigating the impersonating. I don't know either who they are or their purpose. I'm not sure if they are on our side or they are trying to defame us. Just wait and see how it goes. Damesukekun 07:19, October 18, 2011 (UTC)
 * =-= Great......
 * Now that worries me even more. Especially with Vocaloid Articles, And Song Pages. Song Pages are my area, and It will burn my head if it gets tampered. Hope it's an ally, rather than an enemy. I'll help in anyway I can, although I dunno how to be off use, but I'm willing to help.K4KING 07:45, October 18, 2011 (UTC)

Where is her true mind? Helping the bullied girls or justifying her copyright violation?
 * I'm in suspicion that CNSE herself played bullies and rescues.
 * She stood up as "a messiah against bullies" AFTER preparing cunning lies about MMD.
 * I tried to contact the "bullied girls" but CNSE said "the first two I lost their emails". WTH? Were the "bullied girls" real?
 * CNSE refused to read and spread this and claimed she was "fighting against bullies". Bullying is one thing and copyright is another. Why does she always try to replace the point and to hide the true concern?
 * CNSE showed up just in time of each bullying case. What a coincidence!
 * CNSE didn't take any action against "the MMD Police" at all. Rather she exploited their presence to defame Vocaloid Wiki and MMD Wiki, and to justify her "fighting the bullies" campaign, i.e. cunningly disguised copyright violation. Weren't she supposed to "fight against the Police"?
 * CNSE started to send impersonators warnings in a mad rush AFTER I pointed out this suspicious sockpuppets.
 * Sockpuppets left messages on my YouTube channel claiming CNSE had saved their lives from the fringe of suicide. Suicide by online bullies? It sounds like another exaggerated word by CNSE.

Damesukekun 09:21, October 18, 2011 (UTC)


 * There's a way to blow the cover on testimonies like that; interrogation. A thesis-type of interrogation. Anyone can make such a testimony, and even her facebook page is deserted with only very few people around.
 * Can you show samples of these so-called testimonies? O Herman 14:48, October 18, 2011 (UTC)

名探偵ダメサスケお前だな. 頑張る.

FIGHT ON! (ಠ∆ಠ)o彡(Fightinng mode!) K4KING 10:12, October 18, 2011 (UTC)


 * Confounding the situation is the fact CNSE is known to use sock puppets on occasion. O Herman 13:43, October 18, 2011 (UTC)
 * Should we search sockpuppet IPs? You are a professional programmer. Damesukekun 13:48, October 18, 2011 (UTC)
 * This depends where and how. It'll be a combination of analysis and tracing. The only time my programming skills come in is if I have access to IP addresses and log files. O Herman 14:32, October 18, 2011 (UTC)
 * Or we could compare the way she talks and her most recent sockpuppet ones. It feels like a Game of Mafia to me right now ;) She's the Mafia, We're the townfolkK4KING 14:51, October 18, 2011 (UTC)
 * That too. Speech and text analysis is also things we do. O Herman 14:53, October 18, 2011 (UTC)


 * I'm sorry to interrupt ^^" I know this not too long ago, but I just didn't feel like it's necessary to say... But since K4KING brought it up, I feel like saying it.
 * If it's dummy accounts, then I already found some on Facebook.


 * 1. Katie Curbow - For some weird reason, all her life in facebook (recent activity) she only posts to the Fight MMD bullies community, and NOTHING more, also her profile is only female. How strange!
 * 2. Vincent Marion Kho - The most 'active' 'member' in the community, he only posts to the Fight MMD bullies community, and NOTHING more, also his profile is only 'male'. That, and the way he talks is similar to the moderator, with the same grammar error, sometimes mistaken the word 'had' 'have' and 'has' (If I'm not mistaken, you'll understand if you read them). How strange!
 * 3. Also, I find it weird that most users in the community, they have the same pattern (their names).
 * I've found this kind of pattern the first name would be (western-victorian era like names) the middle name would be (not a real word but sounds like a word) and the last name would be (another name)
 * The ones with the same pattern are Vincent Marion Kho, Lunar Novandi Beatrice, Emily Ryuzaki Parsons, Eunice Tan Si Ling, but you know, maybe all of them can be coincidence :|
 * Nope, no sarcasm here. I'm just so paranoid I look into every little detail. And you know, maybe this mini list are just coincidence. The only solid evidence would be their IP addresses, really.


 * I guess I just have too much free time to be looking into this. Unknown.System 02:35, October 19, 2011 (UTC)


 * Please copy their posts and forward them to me. damesukekun(at)live.jp Damesukekun 03:18, October 19, 2011 (UTC)
 * Guess we have our first step. Might as well send me the fb, youtube blogs etc. I want to help and do some digging. There ain't coincidences man. Those are mere patterns. Let us solve this mystery.K4KING 08:44, October 19, 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I'll spread the word on YouTube and Nyappon, too. We also need the help from the VocaloidOtaku community. Damesukekun 14:53, October 19, 2011 (UTC)


 * Katie is the so-called victim CNSE cited. She's distinct.
 * Vincent Marion doesn't seem to be a puppet to me. Has a well-established profile that clearly wasn't made overnight. Either a sympathizer, but there are posts that openly criticize her, such as her definition of bullying. He's somewhat a wildcard. I think we can get this guy on our side.
 * Let's look at more sources, we want ones that posts threats, they're the ones that stands out. O Herman 16:42, October 19, 2011 (UTC)

We also need to make a search on CNSE's followers. Damesukekun 05:03, October 20, 2011 (UTC)

ok look i heard from one of your victems who is a friend of mine that you are stalking facebook pages to go after whomever you deam to be a "sock puppet" i am telling you once that shit is not cool. vocaloid is supposed to be fun but when you go around stalking other people and harassing them its no longer fun for them. so knock it off. ~Anon. Also confirmed another sockpuppet of yours: XxShadowisisxX You claim you were a good friend with Saboten, "he", but Saboten is she. Damesukekun 22:36, October 20, 2011 (UTC)
 * Added two more evidences.


 * I do not own a DeviantArt. I closed my account in 2010 because it wasn't what I thought it would be.


 * Second, who is XxShadowIsisxX??? And this other person you claimed was me on YouTube? I've never heard of them before. ~ (EDIT I now realize this is a friend of mine, but we are not the same. Even ED got us mixed up. Again she's my friend, but she is NOT a sock puppet for me.)


 * Third, I have not now nor can I ever lie calling Saboten a friend. Even if I had never used that model, I don't know Saboten, so clearly I can't tell people she's a friend.


 * Two of the people I caught lying, posing as Wikia members had their YouTubes pulled. I've already informed Bunai that I'm doing my own investigation, trying to track down who posed as you, and told other users they would be "blacklisted". I suspect there's at least one who subscribed to me on one of my accounts. If I find the account again, I will share it with Bunai. It's the least I can do.


 * Also, I am still trying to correct my articles.


 * Please stop stalking me and my followers. Thank you for your time. ~ CSE


 * @Damesukekun. I removed the name from the list. CNSE and Shadow are two different people, with two different skills of model editing. Shadow is stubborn and opinionated, but when you tell her the rules she'll follow it. She also has not signed onto any of her accounts in months, thus despite her opinion on this case changing, she can't edit anything unless she signs in.


 * She was misinformed like others were and only realized it weeks later. -- Bunai82 (talk) 16:02, October 21, 2011 (UTC)

hello
I'am Jose Gabriel C. Manuel, a literary writer, a devout fan of vocaloid, i love it so much i want to contribute my own derivative, a fanmade vocaloid if you may, but there is a problem.

Can you help me? i'm kind of weak in Nihongo, in fact i just started a few days and the only thing i'm little bit familliar is the particles, little grammar, number, but few words. i realized that if Rin is Stella's (My fanmade vocaloid) voice bank then i have to make her sing japanese, so it will be hard. i'm here to ask if you can refer someone who can tutor me? maybe live Instant Messaging, or just even in a wikia talk page. i'm currently reading this: http://www.learnjapanesefree.com and http://www.learn-japanese.info, but a fluent nihongo speaking person can actually help a lot.

http://fanloid.wikia.com/wiki/Stella_Nox_Lucis_Illuminati

she is my fanmade vocaloid, and i love her the same way i love Miku, Rin, and the others, however she is not finished, and one of the requirement were for me to write her a good japanese song, thus i need to learn japanese. i 'am really sorry for bothering you, but Bunai82 reffered you to me. i' am really sorry, i wouldn't be here if i knew someone else who could help.

The6thMessenger 08:02, November 6, 2011 (UTC)
 * Sorry for this late reply. I've been busy IRL. I think you can find people to help you in [www.vocaloidotaku.net VocaloidOtaku]. Damesukekun 14:27, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

Creator of Kaiko
If you have time. I was reading the nicopedia entry about Kaiko, and it mentions producer IGASIO uploading a cover song sung by Kaiko. This was back in February 2008. However, I want to know if IGASIO is the creator of Kaiko or just her configuration. -- Bunai82 (talk) 18:59, November 9, 2011 (UTC)
 * Update, I found that there was an earlier upload of her, but the video is now hidden. Thus the creator is unknown. Though I would still like to know if IGASIO is the second creator or was an illustrator commissioned. -- Bunai82 (talk) 02:10, November 10, 2011 (UTC)
 * Nicopedia says several creators developed Kaiko at the same time and that there is no standard criteria about the character. I'll do digging and edit the Kaiko page here. Damesukekun 14:47, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

Japanese + SeeU
Well, I guess I have no choice but to ask. What is the reaction from Japan towards seeU's Japanese? I hear the producers who have used her find her difficutl to use with many unclear phonetics. The recent additions for Vocaloid have sturred some difficult reactions to deal with, the Korean one gets some bad vibes from reports on Japan and the Spanish ones are slowly becoming a disaster based on their reaction. Just out of curiousity too, how has the reaction been to many of the new Vocaloid overall?

After the results of the front page on the Vocaloid wikia, I've been a little worried about a few things... One-Winged Hawk 22:12, November 9, 2011 (UTC)
 * Japanese fandom shows little reaction to her at this time. Well, I listened to some of her songs and agree that her phonetics are unclear. Damesukekun 14:39, November 10, 2011 (UTC)


 * I think the English fandom then is paying too much attention to her and paying too much attention to the little references on her. -_-' One-Winged Hawk 19:02, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

Requesting some help with English to Japanese examples
Man, can you help me? I want add a couple of good English to Japanese examples for the conversion list English - Japanese. I asked some help in the VO forums, but none of the suggested videos convinces me. Adept-eX 22:45, November 12, 2011 (UTC)
 * Okay, I'll expand the article. I'll improve the table by adding sound-alike words. Damesukekun 06:42, November 13, 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't think the English to Japanese chart will need major modification, it seems Prince Syo already. The problem is the Examples section, if you can revise the examples posted in the VO forum I will be grateful. Today Paul posted some promising examples for Tonio and Sweet Ann, they are solo songs which is ideal because allows hear the pronunciation without interference. Adept-eX 17:56, November 13, 2011 (UTC)
 * I listened to the songs but most of them are unsatisfactory. I'll Quit Singing by Tonio and あなた by Sweet Ann are okay. Damesukekun 05:54, November 14, 2011 (UTC)
 * Ok, I think 'm going to add あなた to the examples. If appears a better example we can replace then. Thank you! Adept-eX 20:41, November 14, 2011 (UTC)

Kikaiko
Im so sorry I'll put him there right now ;;^^

Notice
Elections 2012 - everyone is invitd to this, good luck everyone! One-Winged Hawk 12:47, December 30, 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the notice. Damesukekun 04:33, December 31, 2011 (UTC)