Talk:Standard Vocals (VOCALOID5)/@comment-2601:190:4301:E6F0:F0A1:6CA9:3860:3C59-20180718095913/@comment-53539-20180725215039

^This issues pre-dates V5 and therefore we can only blame this on V5 for so much. Again, this issues has basically been around since V3 as an acknowledged issue. It was first reported towards the end of V2. Ergo, you can only pin the problem on the engine so much so.

Again, you can't say that because from V4 onwards it got to the point a new style of recording had to be brought in to make vocals more unique.

As I said once in regards to someone's comment on Japanese vocaloids; "who am I to believe, the 1 English fan who claims Kiyoteru is easy to use, of the scores of Japanese fans who claim otherwise". In short no matter how much you claim, your only human. If miki can fill out in V2 16 tracks of unique sound, then its presented to you and your told to identify all the vocals, you may click enough time to note its miki. But at first hearing you may try and identify all the vocals as different Vocaloids, it kinda happened to fans back in V2. So I don't doubt your skill, but I don't trust your skill enough that you won't make the same mistakes others do on the matter. Too many before you have claimed this and fallen victim to this sort of issue. There are just so many voicebanks now that its not possible to fully identify the unique traits of everyone of them, then after memorised all 170+ voicebanks and not make mistakes in misidentification. Some like Big Al will stand out, but others are not and this is going to be more so if the vocals are altered from their original sound to sound different to their raw out of the box state.

At the core you'll separate many vocaloids of certain languages, but you wont' ness. be able to separate Megpoid V3 native and its V4 counterpart, nor Mirai and Meiko on the first try. And perhaps not even tell Anon from Kanon. Eventually all the vocals will blur together due to their sheer number and start sounding alike to the point that you just will fall apart.

So you can claim many things, you cannot however claim to have such above skill you can't make mistakes. And I'm not even taking your "hearing loss" into account here. I will note, the hearing loss may actually help, however, as depending on the type it may allow more unique parts of t a vocal to come through and filter out other parts. I read something several years back in the early V3 days (I used to read a lot of random crap, most of it was never useful enough for the sake of the wiki, though most of it was aimed at the V2 eras "Japanese vocaloids are better and more realistic then English ones" which I won't discuss here). Whereas a normal ear may not filter out all the sounds so their merge into one and the combined lot can overwhelm the ears, leading to mistakes. Its all interesting things, like the fact as you get older you also pick up less frequencies of sound... And males can pick up other male vocals better then females and females pick out female vocals better then males... Etc.

I basically read a lot of stuff that was just tadbits of info like this... (none of it was useful to the wiki, except certain theories related to gibberish and why Japanese vocals used for English sound better then they are, its basically the great abilities of comprehension of the brain to make sense of the senseless and you can get tricked because of it).

I often find a lot of the people claiming they never mistake vocals or vocals never sound alike, have a bit of pride getting in the way. If the issue wasn't a legit one, it wouldn't have had to be addressed among the Japanese vocaloids at all. There are not doubt differences between Vocaloid vociebanks even for the same character, but... Dont' give it too much credit, the best can fall to a miki pretending to be another Vocaloid.