User blog comment:OtterJiang/How Toxic IS the VOCALOID Fandom?/@comment-53539-20150413080258/@comment-53539-20150414061322

I can remember a singer adding the lyrics "Sonic didn't need a story" or something to their song as protest to modern Sonic games... That for was ridiculous and an example of how fans can take things too far.

And at the same time... I thought... "But Sonic the Hedgehog always had a storyline". It was in the manual mostly, but the moment you jumped on a robot, destroyed it and a little critter popped out, you were freeing that creature and "advancing the storyline".

And the whole criticism toward Sonic having additional characters was as bad as Batman fans going on about how Batman was better without Robin... Which when you actually look at Detective Comics the comicbook Batman came from originally, that was 1 year. For for just 1 year, Batman didn't have Robin, then he got him. I can remember when I was a kid actually some of my friends like Tails and Knuckles and praised them. :-/

As for DC as a whole... Well the community is mixed. You have the hard-core nerds and geeks who argue about which Superman is strongest, as I mentioned people going on about stupid subjects without doing their research like Batman not needing Robin and how he was better before he had him (which amounts to about... 12 issues or something)... And you have the silver age comicbookers going on about how glorious the Silver age was to the book they influence the modern comics to be more Silver Age at times. ¬_¬

There are other factors too, but mostly comics in general have been in declined since the 80s because kids prefer computers. You can play a computer game over and over and factors will turn out differently, but a comic book is a comic book... Its something the Nostalgic Silver age fans didn't seem to get... No matter how "awesome" you make Superman, you can't get a kid who is more interested in Minecrafts Steve to read it if they think Superman is naff. And comics suffer also via pirating with scans stealing sales constantly. Further more, the market became over-saturated in the 90s because of how influential the Fantastic 4 wedding was and how successful it was despite how many copies of it was produced... To the point both marvel and DC produced spin off comics and specials like that to breaking point and produced far too many copies of each comic they did a spin off...

Believe me, I have stories about fandoms and I have experiences of fan drama and stupidity. In short... I think most of Vocaloids problems amount to either the classic "I don't wanna do research because that'll make me a nerd" or simply petty nerd/geek arguments over who is cuter. Things like bias exist in EVERY fandom; experience in the manga/anime general fandom taught me that Japans products will get over praised even if the western dubs are actually BETTER then the original version (though majority of the time... they weren't).

I don't think the DC comics was singularly responsible for essay long posts... If you read the analysis on Sweet Ann, Leon, Lola and Miriam, you see the same thing going on. Basically, when I first logged onto the web, it was mostly limited to selective audiences and attracted more geeks and professionals then casual fans such as many of those responding here. So posts tended to be longer because the person was knowledge about their subject matters, understanding technical terms or having the willingness to look them up. It was also so hard to write websites you didn't a lot of qualifications and understand, as well as patience to be able to do this stuff. As well as that... You didn't have wikipedia, so unless you were already an expert in the subject matter you wouldn't know much about the topic either.

These days, you expect a lot of people who aren't like that and they have typically short responses and don't want to cut down stuff to a simpler level. I actually think the net these days is both better and worst for reasons... I sometimes miss having really in-depth discussions arguing points about character develope or storyline, since big posts these days put people off talking to you. It screams "nerd/geek" when in reality... The biggest nerds and geeks are the people reading the post rather then writing them, they just don't often want to be seen as one. Going back to the "I don't wanna do research" issue. *sigh*. :-/