Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-25563055-20141024231726/@comment-53539-20160524190140

Amazing thing is, back to Arsloid... If youreally want to hear what the Vocaloid engine noise is, he is basically the easiest vocal to hear it in. His quality in Bright and Soft is inferior in terms of language then any V1...

But its very easy for some to get things mixed up and not realise the issues with Vocaloid itself... Some things people say apply to Engloids is not a fault of them, but the core engine itself. As I said to someone who tried to claim that English vocaloid had no improved at all since 2004; to say this is to deny any improvements at all. That means even to the core engine itself, which means if there is no improvements to the core, then it will impact every Vocaloid, not just that of one language. Its also being ignorant to any person working on vocaloid development who has gotten better in the last 10+ years. Or technology moving on and things like mics being replaced or equipment improving which will produce cleaner samples.

What I will say is Sonika aside, Zero-G vocals have no processing done to them such as filters and removal of bad sounds. This did not happen for meiko and kaito V3, both had were made to sound like their V1s. nd don't get me started on the cV series. The lack of processing leaves vocals sounding more realistic and natural. But it leaves in some fault that could be removed with them, faults such as those caused by off recordings(like if 1 sample is off pitch or the wrong tone) or the vocal can end up changing quite bit. Miku sounded cute if you went up or down the scales (*ahem* depends on your definition of cute, her vocal in't mine), but a vocal can sound very different in non-processed vocals It basically robs the vocal of realism...  so Mik (while she can) does not sound realistic naturally.

So there is quite a bit of things that apply or can be considered across all vocaloids here... And even the guys at VO get mistaken at times.

I won't say Engloids are better overall then any other language though despite being the wikias Engloid nut... as everyone agrees, English is hard...

@Diz, what makes Chinese really hard is due to the number of speakers (more then English I recall, native), there can be great variations in sounds... Eevee knows more, but each group of chinese speakers can at times not understand the other groups... Even between Taiwan and main China... Things change. But if I recall (need to reread Chinese Phonetics some time), due to certain aspects of said language, its build, as complex as it is its not too bad when used for singing. :-/