Board Thread:Off-Topic Discussion/@comment-6433273-20151012162920/@comment-25618373-20151026092631

Angel Emfrbl wrote:

EmbraceEvil wrote:

Angel Emfrbl wrote: I only really double post when there is a entirely separate discussion I want to have that I think had as muh weight as the previous one.

Edit: @Evil; thats not really the point I want to make... The point is that there is nothing anyone can do and the whole Youtube Red thing is not going to be stopped. Once google took over, Youtube became what it is today because it didn't give a dam over everyone's protests.

Edit: Also I forgot this also. Bare in mind when google bought youtube it came with deep debt of several billion dollars. That debt has never really been paid off... Youtube is a ugly best when it comes to funding and doesn't tend to make much or a profit overall. So a lot of things google has done to it are to change this around. Sooner or later this will bite google in the butt unless they can stop it running away. actually there is one thing that has stopped youtube before: the threat to Indie musicians. Tho i forget if they gave it a name, before they wanted to force everyone to sign up to their record label or something like that if they wanted to keep their music up, but there was a HUGE backlash and they stopped. Sorry for misunderstanding you earlier tho Yes, but there are other factors in this.
 * 1) this effects everyone this time and the BIG companies are already on board with youtube Red, most of the them anyway. They could basically snuff out a lot of the channels that don't earn them much money and stick to these bigger channels and companies because their attracting a lot more attention anyway. The reason the Indie music makers COULD win before is enough of them didn't sign up to it... In contrast this time around enough have signeed up to Youtube Red that there isn't a chance way out.
 * 2) The economy of Youtube is a mess, always has been. As more and more users upload onto youtube, you have to earn more and more views to get anything back from youtube. Over time the amount of money you earn slowly decreases if you can't earn a decent amount of views. Basically more and more people are pulling things from a limited funded pot of gold. As I said, youtube was sold with a tagalong debt worth several billion dollars, the ads were introduced to earn google a profit in the first place. But it has to give up some of the ad wealth to content producers. Ads alone won't control the ever growing situation about its own money problems.

I'm not siding with youtube because I think their jerks for doing this YouTube Red thing. But Im 31 and have seen enough to know how co-operations work. If it isn't earning money and their not pleasing their share holders, then a cooperation isn't happy. They rarely do it for non-profit and only give to charity enough to make them look good for PR.

If Youtube Red does fail, they will just find another solution which may be worst. It maybe perhaps better... Who knows... I can't blame their sense of logic. They've prob. worked out this more. The impact it will most likely have is only smaller channels and won't effect the bigger ones at all.

Overall, there is still that issue of "content" within the channel... Which doesn't change much here. To me I already find videos I can't view because their US only before Red came along, I just go to another channel. Youtube is not as attractive as it was in the old days... Sure you can find good quality content more easily... But... I've often got very bored at times from Youtube. Prior to Google owning it is was a low quality content service overall, I'm not saying the stuff we have now is higher content, only that the higher content stuff gets more views and trends better usually (not 100% foolproof). But for its worth... Yiutube was more of a mess.

Youtube has a monopoly and thats the problem, just as Deviantart has a monopoly...(BTW, anyone heard of Elfwood? I remember when that was the big deal... Oh and MySpace). But the problem with large services like these is as they become popular they encounter problems, aka growing pains. Cost being the most major issue here... 100 users don't cost much to run a website for compared to 1,000,000 users. Its a blessing to the monopoly that youtube is, but a curse to its company owners.

Regardless... I'm not looking forward to Youtube Red going live across the world. I'll likely just change media outlets... Besides viewing the Yogcast, Danger Dolan and the lastest episode of MLP... I have little reason for visiting the service. Not much changes. I don't follow most of the CFM vocaloids, of which most Vocaloid related content is about, thus I don't seem too much being effected. Even now not enough Engloid content is uploaded for me to view every day to warrant daily searches for it.... In short... i don't miss out myself.

I feel for those who are effected by this, but I can't really say much. Nico Video is the place to visit for Vocaloid anyway so what I like of the Japanese vocaloids I get from there already. from what i can tell, even if there are big companies supporting them, they've pissed off some of the worse people to well, piss off. the j-pop and k-pop fandoms. they've even screwed with letsplayers, which is gonna turn into a belieber kind of outrage. also tho they are powerless alone, you screw with indie musicians and basically you turn into enemy number 1. i actually looked back and the indie musicians previous rebellion (i'm not being dramatic as much as i can't remember a better word right now) and it ended with google's youtube chief leaving the company. Basically I could sum this up by pointing out when you piss off the internet, no matter how big you are it's gonna get blown up in your face hard. Helps that the outrage is different and bigger than the google + thing (despite the number of people signing petitions and so on, the reaction to it was very mixed)