Board Thread:Wiki Discussion/@comment-53539-20130506185212/@comment-53539-20130717175632

@Bunai, VO already disliked us before the MF even came into existence, the MF page was just their "red rag to a bull" moment. It was nothing new what they did, but it was the WORST thing they ever did as a forum to the wikia.

Feel lucky you weren't the one at the centre of that hassle.... I even got tracked down on Youtube it was that bad.

The same forum who I begged for 4 months for members to edit and improve their wikipedia and wikia, often are the same ones who like to dig at us regularly for our failings... Yet as I've pointed out in the past, when they had the chance to take both pages in their own direction, none of those guys who lift a finger.

However, having experience wiki-hate in the One Piec forum Arlong Park forums, where the idiot Greg (don't ask) harassed editors and personally attacked their wiki editors because they were editors... A lot of critism on wikias comes from form of jealously. When a veteran "fan" knows more then others, it gives them a sense of pride sometimes, that they don't like something which may or may not prove their opinions wrong.

In the case of the OP fandom, Greg pretty much represents all of the problems a long-term fan can display on the matter... His opinions are taken as "fact" even if their wrong by fans, leaving their wikia with issues later on in dealing with fact Versus rumour. I will not say anyone on VO is as bad as Greg, but they display much of the issues he has displayed in the 10 years I've known him.

Even in terms of editing outselves, we're a little proud of ourselves sometimes. It can backfire on us. Thats bad enough... >_<

@Kim, the product pages are my focus right now, I'm trying to cut down the amount of information going onto them thats unsourced. Some of the things though, like on the Kagamine Append are actually sourced elsewhere on the page but I forgot to duplicate the source for the VB section. Since we've got cracking in 2011, we've been forced to cover areas of vocaloids we didn't originally take into account...

Its a LONG story and again back to VO'ers and the so-call "Vo'er elite" member thing... Honestly, we're touchy some sensitive grounds here. None of us here at the wikia has the freedom to say their whole opinion on some of the crap thats happened in the last 3 years since the wikia pulled itself together.

Whereas with the Zunko page and me telling you there is no progress to be make on Kamui and all that, this one is something we don't enjoy talking about because it all seems to come from one forum and its failings to help the fandom itself. We can't say anything without critising it and can't avoid being critised for saying it.

But lets just say my first 6 months of wikia editing were doing two things;


 * Building up things to see what worked and what didn't work (later loosing the ones that didn't work)
 * Finding out what great myths the fandom was inventing, researching what reality was on those myths and having to write up about them here. Because I found it was a great method of directing what was the best information to go on the wikia... :-/

A wikia is really a "WIP" project and can take year to fix up. The one piece wikia took the editors (myself included) 6 years to get it to a decent level.

A little off topic, but I feel like its worth mentioning since we're touching things that relate to it to a degree.

Our anniversary is about June/July time every year, we started in 2010 working on this project so we're current about 2 years old. By the time our 6 years is met I'm hoping there is someone else doing the things I do like what happened at the OP wikia. It means I can retire. Hell, I'm coming up to the end of my last project in September I had planned... So next year I'll have nothing to do that had been planned for a long time. :-)

Maybe next year, editors like you Kim or Xey will be announcing long-term projects to improve the wikia? All I'll be next year is a general editor and adviser by then.

I'll look forward to seeing plans drawn up and posted in the forums next year, hopefully. I guess right now I'm feeling a little sentimental... But this current talk in this topic is drawing things from 'memory lane' out again. :-/