User blog comment:Angel Emfrbl/respect +2/@comment-90.5.26.246-20150224225240

Honestly, I'm fed up as well about the Engloids hate... I remember when TONIO's demo came out, I was blown and I think i haven't known such a blow since (except maybe the Spanishloids and MEIKO English, and even, it wasn't that strong). In my opinion, they're also having the most unique voices from the whole program, followed by the other languages.

Moreover, I'd say you can disagree with Engloids fans or not liking English Vocaloids at all, but no, I'm sorry there are sweeter ways to say it rather than going "lol it's trash". Plus, the thing which hurts me is when you have some fans praising over Japanese and forgetting the first vocals were... English. And I can tell you whenever I hear Hiru, Ariothsu, Matt, Giuseppe and other great tuners I'm forgetting to mention, using them all in an amazing way, I can tell you it's epic. Rright now I'm thinking about Léon's Get Lucky cover or even that old and magnificient cover of eternal Simon and Garfunkel's Bridge over troubled water using TONIO, SONiKA used on Where have you been, AVANNA singing the beautiful song "Yesterday once more", among plenty of other examples, and I can tell you I have the chills, because they left their mark in my mind. Whenever I was encountering people saying "Engloids suck" i was bringing in this kind of examples to show them that they could be as great as the other 'loids out there.

As you said yeah, even the "bad" ones have potential (hence why despite their flaws, I enjoy SONIKA's voice, and I like galaco since her price version and loving as well her NEO version...Yep despite the "emotionless/bored" syndrom she has). That's why I also agree on the tuning part. To be honest, there are a few Vocaloids I'm not in fond of, but once used well, I can finally like their voices... And again, about the LQ/MQ voices, they can finally have their chance when someone deeply skilled at tuning can make them sound incredible (like SONiKA) -though it also applies to better-quality ones as well, it's painful to hear a 'loid, even the most HQ sounding bland when not used well

After about the realism well... In my very humble opinion, I'd think the Operaloids, Avanna, Iroha, Spanish Vocaloids (especially Bruno and Clara), the V1 Engloids, etc... would apply to it. But well, after it's just my opinion and I'm not a Native, even though I try to base my judgement on the Native speakers I've been used to know in my life, and my experience with these languages (except Korean) and knowing more English and Spanish than Chinese and Japanese).... And again, tuning can help or mess up the realistic-voice effect depending if it's good or bad. And then you have the voices made to sound that way and others where it'll be likely aimed at voiceacted, cartoonish VBs

Then about MAIKA's popularity, I'd say there are two factors already pointed out that explain it : her avatar and her extra phonems. I used her trial and indeed, she's amazing... However with my poor tuning it was sounding rather "meh"... And while I like the fact she has foreign phonems added to her VB, I can tell you no matter the combination of sounds I was applying on her through phonem edit, she was unable to pronounce well the French U, and this, despite the parameters tricks and such. Ironically, Bruno and Clara (I used their trials as well) were closer and this, while using the simple trick I had o_o"' And well, should I talk again about the whole fuss over Bruno and Clara's earliest designs ? (Which I find honestly very offensive as they were unique, and that personally I was liking them... Plus doing this whole drama just for drawings, seriously... The toher sets of designs are cool but still) don't get me wrong, I love MAIKA and I was really happy to use her trial and hear her voice, her design is pretty... But I find this sorrowful.... And honestly, I often tend to prefer Bruno and Clara over her or to put them on the same level The appends can improve the expressivity of a vocal, but then as the quality matter, again you can obtain good results with a vocal getting appended like you can with an "unique" vocal (unique here as in no appends) if you're skilled and put efforts into using them. It just makes it easier to do it, ocurring as well on UTAU

So in a nutshell, it always annoys me when people bash a Vocaloid based on their origin/language, especially the Engloids as it started all with Léon and LOLA's creation and the fact most of my top favourite Vocaloids come from English, Japanese, Spanish, Chinese and Korean sides at once (after I'll wait for Uni's demos but yeah, I like SeeU's voice) =( And how painful it is to have some of your top favourite being praised and always on the spotlight, but having your other top favourites being either ignored or treaten like crap T^T"'

-It was just my opinion about it ;_;"' And sorry about my horrible mistakes, I'm pretty exhausted right now and not used to leave messages on wikia, hence why I'm not registered-