Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-6433273-20170117033839/@comment-53539-20170117194307

I guess I better address the whole issue as I brought this in when I was in charge.

The full story (in no particular order because I can't remember it);


 * Originally it was introduced to stop bad practices on the wikia.
 * A spout of users creating pages, as the producers who did it weren't that famous.... And we had a spout of having to ban users for illegal vocaloid.
 * The other problem downs to the "anyone can call themselves a producer" issue. There is no quality control on producers, which means a guy with zero effort can put out 100 over songs and all be bad.
 * At the time were were still in the habit of focusing on "notable" songs and producers, which I questioned because "what makes them notable exactly?". I wanted to remove the idea of "notable", allowing anyone to enter the wikia, but I knew that without the limit there was the previously mentioned problem of "anyone can call themselves a producer".
 * I had made the decision to push us towards focusing on the software against all other things. This was during the time things like the derivative wikia and stuff were being opened. The thing was, I said to myself what is the core essential pages of a wikia (this I do whenever I start a wikia, though the second stage of adding supporting pages... Was kinda the worst bit and I did too many guesses that didn't work out).  If we lost every producer and song page, merchandise, etc.  The core pages that remain are the Vocaloids and the related software... The rest exists because we cover "all things Vocaloid related".
 * The lack of controlling guidelines meant that users who added pages and were discovered to have Pocaloid... inda then became a target of abuse. It was better to remove them ASAP.  So having the practice gave editors a chance to see who the producer was and refuse them in need be without the wikia encouraging bad behaviour.
 * O Herman, who did some self-ad'ing (knowingly or not) which I didn't feel comfortable with since he was also a bureaucrat... He was kind part to blame with the Blacklist page (I was the other) and its drama... But in light of all things going on at the time... when you investigated both here and the UTAU wikia... I didn't like everything he was doing.  For example, he insisted on his OCs page that she be recorded about being an attempt to make Miku sing a lot of languages, and I argued this was not a good thing as a noob would think she has godly phonetics.  This was also a issue because he kept linking to his site in the process... And when I removed stuff to clean up the wikia and make his page clean of the claims he re-added it.  After a few attempts, I came to the conclusion he wasn't thinking about the Wikias best interests and wasdoing stuff on the Vocaloid and UTAU wikias purely for his sakes, not their sakes. In fact O Herman ended up being the final straw on the issue of self-advertising in general and justified a lot of things in the process.  I honestly can't say too much about the UTAU wikia as I vaguely remember what I saw on there... And most of the Vocaloid wikias stuff related to him is forgotten... I feel if anything, a lot of what he was writing should only have been on his userpage and not on his producer page.  And when he couldn't separate his interests for the wikias... He left anyway and I lost interest in discussing the issue with him.  But I thought I'd mention this as it was also the big highlight of open advertising we used to have. :-/

Didn't really think about it in the last 4-6 years to be frank... Its always been a bit of Vocaloid wiki etiquette/unwritten rule to give the editors working with the pages half a chance to sort out the page...Half the time when you let someone make their own page they don't really set it up right so it kinda ends up being a mess that gets deleted or fixed up. To let a editor add it and then to edit it yourself is just easier for everyone I guess.

I guess it was put on the backburner of discussion when I gave up my status. As I never got far enough to concrete it. And then its been left as a elephant in the room since. Looking back always makes me feel O Herman and I were not the best bureaucrats between us or editors for that matter. But I still do feel some limit on producer pages needs to exist due to the problems with the open producer adding pages can create and did back in the day. :-/