Talk:Kagamine Rin & Len

The IP 67.182.67.93 should be warned for vandalism. O Herman 12:52, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Done Antonio Lopez  (talk)18:01, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

Rin
Isn't one of Rin's items a Lint roller? in pop candy, she has a lint roller...she has one in no thank you too —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.189.7.96 (talk • contribs) 01:30, September 17, 2009 (UTC)
 * Please sign your posts! I've never heard of the lint roller, it's probably not popular enough. Only dead fish go with the flow. 05:13, September 18, 2009 (UTC)

The Evil/Aku Series
I believe this should get its own page as well as a mention on the Kagamine's page. It's a huge song with many parts and many spin-offs, and about a thousand PVs.


 * Daughter of Evil
 * Daughter of Evil
 * Daughter of Vengeance
 * Daughter of Green
 * Prince of Blue
 * The Fake Diva (Not a part of Musume series)


 * Servant of Evil
 * Servant of Evil


 * Message of Regret
 * Message of Regret
 * "King Of Blue Over The Sea" (Which I just found today)

Personally, I think the series needs its own page. If not, at least a mention on each involved character's page.
 * Re-Birthday
 * Re-Birthday

~ FangzV  ( Flame at me here) as said on 17:42, October 3, 2009 (UTC)


 * If we do this, I think we need to disregard Daughter of Vengeance, Daughter of Green, and Prince of Blue, mainly because all three are fanmade and they're all completely inaccurate - none of them follow the story detailed by Akuno-P on his blog. The huge number of fanmade spinoffs don't need to be mentioned. Also, Daughter of White should be included since its release in January (which was done by Akuno-P). Only dead fish go with the flow. 02:39, January 28, 2010 (UTC)

第三章「一縷の願い」/ Dai San Shou: Ichiru no Negai
「一縷の願い」literally means "a ray/gleam/glitter of hope/wish." Certainly the origin of the word「一縷 (ichiru)」is "Thin Thread", but now it doesn’t mean and isn’t used in that way.  I know "One Small Wish" has several meanings, however, it doesn't seem to be an exact translation. Because Len's wish has only small chance, but itself is not "small" at all literally. And please tell me what this line means on Merchandise;"Length: 57:22 minutes:#Kokoro (Heart/Soul):#Daybreak:#Rival"Blacksaingrain 07:01, January 24, 2010 (UTC)

Black and White Ward
Hey, I found a song sung by Len and Rin. It's called the Black and White Ward. Just thought to let you guys know..Shima the Hedgehog 21:28, March 9, 2010 (UTC)

Songs
Shouldn't the songs on this particular article be sorted into three categories: Rin, Len, and Rin/Len, due to two singers? Sera404 15:01, June 26, 2010 (UTC)


 * I was thinking of this myself the other day. Part of me also thinks that this page might warrent splitting in two, with the duets put onto the collabs page. But this take this one step at a time as thats an idea for a later date, first thing first, yeah, its think and consider deviding them into sections. One-Winged Hawk 15:35, June 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * Some of their songs are in series or pairs, such as Synchronicity, Shin Seiki or Shuujin, and I think putting them in a row would be easy to read and figure out for readers. Just my opinion.Blacksaingrain 23:00, June 26, 2010 (UTC)


 * It definately needs some more organising, thats why I thought it might be better to seperate them onto two different page. Their the one Vocaloid software package thats been my least favorutie to get my thoughts on how to handle them properly. I'd like to have a fair amount of songs up here on both Rin and Len seperate and together, because the videos give a "scattered" impression of the songs, not a "complete". Its hard to explain, but the way I think it is right now, its hard to listen to what both Vocaloids are capable of individually. We properly have a nuice overall idea though. :-/ One-Winged Hawk 23:23, June 26, 2010 (UTC)


 * Well, it's probably better to keep the Rin/Len songs on this article as unlike other collaborate songs, Rin and Len share this article, which makes their collabs with each other more suited for this page... I think. :3 Some songs with other Vocaloids (such as Miku) as background vocals instead of main singer(s), I elected to keep on the page and regarded them as individual songs or whichever section they go to accordingly to whoever is primary singer(s). Sera404 06:23, June 27, 2010 (UTC)


 * Okay, I had a go at moving the songs into sections. I hope it looks okay, but due to the numbers of songs in a series, I ended up making a fourth section labelled "series". Sera404 11:07, June 27, 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah, it looks good and reader-friendly :) Blacksaingrain 11:22, June 27, 2010 (UTC)
 * Ditto remarks, much better. One-Winged Hawk 15:32, June 27, 2010 (UTC)

Related or not?
This has been bugging the hell out of me! Are Rin and Len related or not? Jet1337


 * The trivia section points out what Kei created them as, offically theres not a confirmation either way. One-Winged Hawk 10:32, August 4, 2010 (UTC)


 * It's up to each user/work. Officially Crypton did not set their characters or profiles, except their names, age, gender, height and weight, to encourage each user's free creative activity. They can be relative, lovers, friends or whatever. .Blacksaingrain 11:02, August 4, 2010 (UTC)


 * LOL, that's so stupid! Well I'm gonna say that they aren't related because Kei said that he didn't intend for them to be twins. So until he says they are, there shouldn't be any confusion. Jet1337
 * Yeah, you can have your own opinion, and that's what Crypton and KEI intended; it depends on the person. KEI also says that he don't want fans to care about what he said or did since he don't want to force his opinion to others in an interview.Blacksaingrain 11:38, August 4, 2010 (UTC)


 * Lets put it this why, a set of speakers is regarded as one piece of equiptment even though theres more then one of it right? Thats what the Kagamine are (and their leg pieces based on speakers by design as I note). So the pair are actually regarded as a "one" Vocaloid between them, a Vocaloid "set". Hence "Mirror sound left" and "mirror Sound right".


 * The only way I can further explain this is, take stero speaker systems which gives dual ouput, in contrast mono speaker systems work with just one speaker. When you put a type in a stero speaker, the bass and other lower notes will came out one set and the other the higher to create a bigger sense of range within the song. Mono speakers in contrast con only output everything at once so the song has less range and is more flatter. This is partly the idea behin the Kagamine, Len handles high and Rin low to create a sort of stero effect between them. This unfortantely has been lost after release.


 * "some" Vocaloids fans also argue that Vocaloids are instruments and therefore not related, however a bass gitar and lead gitar are still related instruments. One-Winged Hawk 12:36, August 4, 2010 (UTC)

But Kei said he didn't intend for them to be twins. That right there should prove the point that they're not related. It doesn't make sense that people make PV's that have both sibling love and intimate love between them. Someone should draw the line somewhere. Jet1337


 * If that was a reply to my response, you somewhat failed to understand what I was saving. Okay lets put it this way there are a number of "families" of instruments (string, brass, precussion), and all the insturments are part of one of those families. These instruments are considered "related" to each other, simply because as often is the case, certain insturments were created based on a design of another. For example, a tennor recorder and descent are related because their from the same group of instruments, therefore all recorders are "related". One-Winged Hawk 16:19, August 5, 2010 (UTC)

This is the TVtropes compromise: They're whatever the hell you want it to be and there will be no official stance. THERE. Only dead fish go with the flow. 17:06, August 5, 2010 (UTC)


 * I'm more surprised someone asked here then anything. We put everything on the page thats ofcially given, and if its not stated we can't force it to be. This once was on the page, but I removed it after second thoughts. We have only brief mentions and really, only what they can do is important. One-Winged Hawk 17:14, August 5, 2010 (UTC)


 * I agree with Aster Selene and Angel Emfrbl. And actually that was not Kei's idea. He just did the design and who formed the concept was Crypton. They made it more flexible afterward though. I'll add some information on the article later.Blacksaingrain 04:35, August 6, 2010 (UTC)

Append
Piapro's been releasing some really nice append samples lately.

Songs released:

http://blog.piapro.jp/2010/10/vocaloidappend-power.html Append Power β

Ikekoi Uta - 1min 30sec short version

Servant of Evil - 1min 30sec short version

http://blog.piapro.jp/2010/09/vocaloidappend-power.html Append Power β

Migikata no Chou - 40 sec short version

Soundless Voice - 35 sec short version

http://blog.piapro.jp/2010/09/append-power.html β Test Samples

Len: Mou Koi Nante Shinai

Mou Koi Nante Shinai (A capella)

Rin: Tonari no Totoro (A capella)

http://blog.piapro.jp/2010/08/vocaloid-append.html

α Samples: Rin Sweet and Len Moody

108.2.106.164 00:04, October 3, 2010 (UTC)