Board Thread:Wiki Discussion/@comment-53539-20130801105408

As I said early Auguest I'd start putting up preposed plans for September a few months ago. I think originally this was going to be October, but at some point I've broguht it forward.

Anyway, I'm puitting this up so the beaucrats/Admins and my fellow general editors can see this.

Basically, I'm going to go throught he wikia and chang any link we have to certain pages and direct them to "wikipedia"'s page, or the wikia of the software. Its pretty simple and Thread:59297 was a topic put up to draw attention to our current workings while Thread:53746 was put up to help fix a problem the "proposal" is trying to fix.

The history of these pages
Getting a plan together to rid the wikia once and for all of any page known to be not related. While it seems a simple case of putting some up for deletion, we have links in some cases that direct to the pages to redirect off-site.

First regarding Teto and UTAU... Utau is on the wikia, the existence of the page and its need to be here dates back to the 2009 period at least. Back then UTAU wikia didn't exist and everything was stored on here, or if it did it was at least here anyway. This is where Teto and UTAu's page, as well as everything else non-Vocaloid came from.

What we didn't do was a flat out clearance of these pages very early on and now their here I think people are too attached to them. I upset Bunai before with the Derivatives, who also had the same problem. Since they were here temptation is and has always been to add to them (of which even I've done this).

The plan of action
Basically sort out pages and get rid of them.

The trouble is a wikipedia page has to be checked, created is absent or at least a wikia set up.

Pages like FL Studio exist because only of the mascot of FL studio... Who beyond the fact she was based on Miku has nothing to do with Vocaloid. I left FL studio alone on the wikia when I was beaucrat because someone argued many producers used FL studio... Then later on the results of a poll came out and the majority of Japanese producers (who out number vocaloid producers still at this point or are at least a LOT more influential) don't. This kinda removed the reason for the page staying.

FL studio has its own fanbase and has a lot more things set up for it, our page hasn't been kept up to date with FL studio and this definately is therefore a page to just redirect to wikipedia.

A tricker one is Black Rock Shooter since we have some grounds and at the same time don't. With an entire wikia set up on her though, its not too much to redirect information there anyway. RBS has nothing to do with Vocaloid at this point beyond the song and what we need can be written on 1 page pretty much or as I've said redirected.

Vocalina... Don't think theres enough for a wikia to the software while theres room only for 3 pages, so we can direct this to a wikipedia page. If no one is up for that, I've done it before so I'll ake sure wikipedia's established.

Maidloid - Not a UTAU, not a Vocaloid, we need to sort this out.

These are the first few pages I've put up, waiting for discussions first before I move ahead. It seems simple enough but with more then on wiki site may perhaps being involved its not so simple.

I never got to fix this as beaucrat so I dare not just walk a ahead and start editing without the wikia approval.

Lastly
Is it possible to ask the "new vocaloids" thread be wiped clean and restarted so we can have a second go at sorting things out. The arguing spoilt a discussion on how to fix the problems and unforeseen things crept up which caused things to go horribly wrong.

Also, may I have premission to open a topic discussing how to polls for wikia voting? We have none and when it comes to the time we need to fix this, arguments occur with no polling method out. I don't know what the conditions are but it would be nice to have a clear idea of how long people have to be here or how many edits in these things... If we start doing polls in the future, people can sock puppet things if we don't sort this out or something.

Even if we're just using wikipedia's rules, this isn't listed anywhere on the site as far as I know. A lot of the arguments in the last few weeks could have been avoided so easily... :-/ 