Board Thread:English VOCALOID discussion/@comment-100.0.123.57-20171025035138/@comment-53539-20171025152046

A lot of the problem is translators don't always ask permission. Music is copyrighted, and subs often use work without permission. It is possible to earn money off of places like youtube for any video you add via ad revenue. Now this would be fine, except, the money wouldn't go back to the producer of said song.

Even if their not doing this, the music sub takes views away from the music producer, therefore they loose views to the subber, which impacts their work. This is more true if the producer uses their work to earn money, so every view lost to a subber is an impact to their earnings. Subbers who earn thousands more views then the original work does, in theory, do a lot more damage then the subbers will care to acknowledge. On the one hand, I understand the desire for a translation, on the other there are ways to do this without the producer possibly loosing.

I understand why the concerns can get aggressive for this reason, especially due to the language barrier. The Japanese producer ha to learn English, then Spanish, then Chinese, then French, then Russia... Its not possible to do this! So the fans do this volunteer for them, the problem is they will do it without permission and due to the passion of fans, they tend to harass.

There is a lot of concern and the issue currently is a hot topic and has been for a few years now for this reason. Unlike a TV series, some producers have a very fine line of money earn age and they feel their being cheated. Once their work has been stolen for subbing, and it is theft, they loose control as subbers reupload work without permission constantly as its being taken down. So the situation spirals out of control and the producer looses the ability to control their work. They are already fighting illegal uploaders of their work, and subbers are not any different.

I'm sorry, but I'm on the side of the producers, the subbers and reuploaders are not the victims here. True the harassers are not angels, but the subbers are basically doing this for their own purposes, sometimes for practice... That's fine but they shouldn't upload their results... Sometimes for popularity... This is not any different to the people who do Vocaloid cover songs with little talent behind it (bad mixing and bad understanding of the software). So we shouldn't applaud anyone over this.

The wikia is neutral, but it does use Controversy Concerns to report things, we are not stupid and are aware of the situation, the page is to help keep things off the pages, there is only a few times we leaves things on and that's because its part of a history of a topic. Secret is an example, but the general information on it is on the page CC, because only the bit about Secret itself is relevant to its page. In his case, the topic at hand is general, any song that touches translators will be subject to this and we can't go around every single Japanese, Spanish, Chinese and Korean page to add it (or English songs into other languages). So I feel its best CC only covers this. We can link to CC if we have to, if a particular producer's work is getting attention. Otherwise, what happens to the Translators is not really much of our concern, as honestly... as I said their not the victims here so even if we were meant to pick a side we couldn't side with them anyway.

Despite what some Vocaloid Otaku forum'ers think of us, we're just not allowed to take too much sides. I'm fully aware they think things like we're "draconic" and such, but we have far more rules on us as a wiki then they have as a forum. The editors can have opinions, but our pages can't.