Forum:Something thats been a problem for a while

Okay you don't need to read this all. But its the root of the problem when you turn the focus of a page completely.

I'll give the example of some of the problems the wikia faces.


 * Its like this; the fandom accuses Ring of being like Miku.
 * On VO the critics can't see why she looks like Miku. No matter what you do you can't explain them to them, I've given up.
 * It gets to a point where it notices and the Miku formula page is made to say "Miku influenced other Vocaloids designs"
 * VO forumers criticize this page.

Well I can compact all that down to the words "Miku influences other Vocaloid designs" and reference the example of Gakupo borrowing the cyber-clothes thing from the CFM Vocaloids. But what I often find is... Well... That doesn't solve the problem!

Now, tell this same statement to a Vocanoob? They can look at Ring and Miku and sort of see the resemblance, and if the Japanese fandom notices the resemblance I sort of think its a legit call; like Big Al and Cul. mind you... the overseas fandom also noticed it too before she was even released, but thats not the point I'm getting across.

If there is one single problem the wikia faces its bringing itself to a standard where it can please Vocanoobs.

So we moved all fanmades to another wikia except the ones we need here. I see someone at VO complain that we're limiting the information and that we should cover them. Except... The Vocanoobs take these characters as something very real, not acknowledging their made up.

Now... I don't get it.

When you sit down and read many of those fanmades, honestly... They didn't have much consequences of their existence. Whereas "Miku formula" saves me having to sit down and write all this out on every single page whenever this rears its head. And I don't know about you guys, but I don't want to do that. It just clogs pages down, better to have one page that deals with it.

And the big thing with these Vocaloid fanmades? We had ones like "Zatsune Miku" whose been dead since 2009. I keep mentioning this because they seem to get attached to them like their the oxygen in the air at times. But the thing is, fanmades are just the "fanfiction" of Vocaloid and we don't cover fanfiction here. No one is saying "Ring is a clone of Miku", only explaining that some felt she was so close that she could be a clone.

And heres the thing... They are in a way no better then each other!

But these are just two examples, the big two I've seen in the last month. The further you go back the more things like this come up.

Another older example waaaay back in 2010 when I first started editing Vocaloid stuff. I revamped the wikipedia page? I get whines from VO that its not focused on the characters anymore! In other words, its been one bumpy sleigh ride dealing with the veteran fans for a while now, to the point where I'm not actually sure who is worst at times.

I've come to the conclusion the last few days, its just not worth at times trying to please the veteran fans. This isn't the first time we've had problems, and its one of the reasons I've seriously considered calling it a day at the end of this month. I'm seeing how the next 4 days go, things are getting better at the moment.

Also, the whole "Korean can do English" from SBS regarding SeeU is driving me nuts. When the studios make bold claims we still have to cater for those claims; no matte how farfetched they are... But the information has tossed around SeeU's page like a twig in a current. I know this also divides opinions too.

But heres where VO comes in; I got a lecture on VO when I mentioned this in response to some critism of my own on SeeU "Korean does English" without a care for the fact SBS made a big claim. No one on the wikia is saying that she does English as well as a English even, because this isn't even true and there are still some big differences between Korean and actual English language. Nor did I myself say that either. What everything saying is, SBS claimed you can use Korean for English and gave you the means also to do this. I can't write this any more black and write then that but people think its written in black, white and a hint of green. >_<

But I've been on the net for 12 years and I know a little bit more then others. I've been a wiki-system editor since 2006... Some of the pages that were "fluff" were test pages to see what works and what doesn't, I've done this several times over the years myself and lots get deleted because its just organizational business. None of it is meant to stay.

No wikia is perfect and sometimes these pages need to be created to see what isn't going to improve things. Most get deleted anyway in the end when they've served their purpose and helped me sort out what I want to do witht he main pages, just holding information until a proper home was found or the information as redundant.

I don't know what everyone feels and I'm sorry for the block of text.

but you know... This problem isn't going away.

I will note its one hell of a lot easier to just focus on improving things for noobs and ignoring the veterans fans at times. One-Winged Hawk 00:14, February 26, 2012 (UTC)