Board Thread:Off-Topic Discussion/@comment-1676371-20180513053832/@comment-53539-20180610103857

Considering there is a topic on this, you guys are best discussing it there.

@Lynn Vocaloid Otaku forums was a forum that when I joined in 2009/10 was basically an elist forum. If you came there with little info on Vocaloid, they all but mocked you for being "a typical weaboo Vocaloid fan". Yet they were not prepared to actually put the effort into changing the perception when challenged. I think the original people of that period loved being the ones with all the knowledge and not having anyone challenge them. At the same time, bare in mind these were the guys responsible for a lot of great Vocaloid myths. Mostly about English Vocaloid, they were bias against it from the start as they believed the Japanese Vocaloid version was completely superior to the English version.

There were many other great myths, but this has always been the one that stood out because people still believe it to this day some of the things the stuff they originally came up with, like the English vocaloid items. These aren't real things and the forum was the "inventor" of them, not a internet meme which is the proper way to do it. Regardless that particular myth is water under the bridge and not relevant these days due to no one doing items anymore even in Japan.

They didn't like the wiki either because they didn't believe things we wrote, didn't like me as bureaucrat or didn't like how we questioned their all-knowingness on subjects. I have been accused of being a "know it all" over the years, but as I pointed out, I just reply to things I know, I don't like making up stuff and I'm not good at it when I do. However, they didn't like it when I challenged them opposingly on the forum and tried to disprove them. The irony is, while they were accusing me of being a "know it all" a lot of them were doing the thing, making it a situation of the "pot calling the kettle black".

I still like it when someone has a go at me for "not ever touching a voicebank", as someone did recently here on the wikia. The only trials I've never touched was Kanon & Anon's, because I saw how dodgy it was, and Meiko V1 because I didn't like V1, plus one other but I can't remember who's it was. Everything else I've downloaded if there was a trial. Particular in regards to Vocalofan's recent statement on Lumi's English, again... This is V2 great myth territory, but even if you've never touched the Vocal... You only have to know some basic, basic facts to know that Lumi English is fluke at best. Butif you said this at VO forums, you were considered legit stating the facts, and people defended Japanese English statements.

VO forums did however improve over time because new fans came to the forum, these newer fans challenged a lot of the older fans stuff and drowned them out. All par things like the Ruby incident and like, the forum greatly improved to the point it wasn't so poisonous towards the end. But there were still people who poisoned the well. Saying that, I think we're worst off without VO then with it.

There are still things like Maika English or any other language, but they went over this in Sonika's release and before Maika it was SeeU getting praise... So they just jumped on board the gravy train of languages or whatever, I just thought if another vocaloid with more phonetics came along that would replace Maika. They so wanted there to be a vocaloid they could use without using Englsh Vocaloids I often felt. With the current generation of English Vocaloids all out-bidding Maika, I pretty much don't care because Maika was a Spanish Vocaloid foremost above all things. I often thought that since the extra phonetics were for Catalan stuff, that Maika was part of the bid to get Catalan notable again so its mostly politics, there has been this in recent years... When the big fuss about voting independence from Spanin also.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catalonia

Being able to do proper Catalan or anything related to this is quite popular in the area so it doesn't surprise me if this was part of it too.

The other issue is in general when it comes Vocaloid, I have recently come to the conclusion that the most overhyped vocaloid wasn't Miku, as people admit faults with Miku… ITs Luka, because nobody seems to want to admit that Luka has flaws and V4x wasn't anything but the greatest release on V4. Least it seems that way. When any other product disappears from the CFM top 10 list of products, there is no panicking, but when Luka leaves... Panics all around. As I said, we often think its Miku, but I think there is enough hate of her vocals to balance the issue out.