Talk:VOCALOID Piracy/@comment-36843431-20180910060650/@comment-53539-20180911081137

It tends to be them, yes, I don't know if 5 mins of fame applies but there are a group of fans who claim to own their Vocaloids such as the case with Planty-P and then didn't really. I for one can prove any Vocaloid I owned except Lola. Teenagers and young adults can be ignorant fo the consequences and often don't have jobs, etc to pay for things, wanted it all too soon. This is especially true for those who don't want to commit themselves to something in case it backfires but they may never buy the software even if it works out.

But as I said, its not just for 5 minutes of fame, it can often be to just make a Vocaloid be a puppet for the whim of the user. Either way you can often tell by the way they use the software... No music skills or little? Check. Poor mixing? Check. Refusal to accept how bad their cover is with their favourite Vocaloid? check. The list goes on and though they don't ness. touch all or many certain things like a lack of understand of music become very apparent. Those who own it but are good are harder to find and not all the bad producers turn out to be illegal owners. So there is grey areas of Vocaloid usage where certain normal traits of one habit of the fandom are mimicked by the other group. You can't therefore successfully know 100% if they are using legal or illegal.

When VO forums was around there was a nod that a number of the membership had no issues openingly supporting it and didn't understand why we don't. I can remember I think one of the staff there saying we were "draconic" for that stance. But... We have no choice, no wiki should be seen to support these things. I went to the Beyblade wiki earlier this year and to my horror it had the entire scan on a chapter of the manga up. I removed all but 5 pages (you are allowed a certain amount, just not the whole lot) and left a note to them letting them know you can't do that. Whether or not they heeded my advice is another thing. But no wiki should get involved with this stuff or be seen to support it.

But we can't police the fandom nor should we, we can only protect ourselves. Saying that, bare in mind Circu-P I think it was originally started out with illegals until a fellow partner to his in music got upset and revealed it. Now he supposedly has official ones. ITs only until about the end of V2 and V3 wherein any distain towards Pocaloid and other versions began. Everyone just accepted it and let it be before that.