Board Thread:Off-Topic Discussion/@comment-6433273-20151126190829/@comment-26896538-20151227135735

Angel Emfrbl wrote: We knew this has been coming because of V1 has already had this. they can sell Vocaloids for a while, but see in the case of Miriam, eventually those codes will run out. So some new vocaloids will be around.

On the other hand, it will become easier in the net decade to know when Pocaloid itself is in place because like with Miriam, its only a matter of time before no new purchases can be made. :-/

You sadly can't support dated software forever, its not feasible to invest resources into the older tech as it means you have less resources for newer stuff. Costs too much money. The V2's are being retired earlier then the V1's, but on the bright side I think this may signal that V5 is in full production myself. On the other hand, also don't forget older versions of retired things can sometimes rise in price, though its rare with software, those desperate enough will fork out money if they want something bad enough. We've already seen this with the Kagamines Act1 where people can pay up to 50% more of the original price.

V2 itself is not always a good software. In terms of money, you pay more for any V2 then a V4 in the long run because of that "every version has the full engine". It also has less features and will not have as much of a demand. When I look at V2 vocals English banks, I can't help but notice how the 3 Zero-G vocaloids, didn't achieve the same success Avanna, Dex and Daina are getting. While people are still buying them, removing them also means more focus on the newer ones. This is also perhaps for the best as the newer ones are overall "better" then the older ones in terms of quality and have a habbit of leaving a better impression then vocals like Big Al.

If the V2 -> V3-> V4-> system works, then it should be fine without that shortcut tool.

Either way, the retirement still saddens me as I was after Sweet Ann for a long time. Then there is the issues round loss of vocal, which even Chipspeech is taken as one of its most valuable aspects. :-/ You dont need to support it, cause you can develop a working format/support mechanism, and leave it. If you need a proof of that, see the "Unreal Engine" support policies.(they all can exchange assets between all 3 versions of the engine in any direction) In any case, it help to preserve the old vb's for the future(as they sound interesting as is)...

You missig the whole point of it, because the most fact you cant evade at all is the vp's aging/maturing. just listen to the voices, they would not be the same again and again over time, so theres no comparsion between the same(or others) vb's, but from the different engine versions - they are entierly diffrent vb's/product's. Im still did not hear the new kagamine's vb, but for miku i can definitely say that she's(i mean the vp of course) changed alot from that time.

As for the financial part, why the companies do not sell the all their previous vb's? Even without the engine? -Defense Squad-. If you so concerned on the sales counter, why you not trying lower the prices? Or add more convinient and easy ways to buy it? -Defense Squad-. Okay, you just justified the existence of a "pokaloid"(im more prefer to say just cracked, but this term will be enogh too)

Again, im not supporting illegal actions(what all here whining about), but trying to find a way negate them, make avoiding the rules unnecessary and not needed at all. Of course it requires a flexible set of justifiable rules, wich we don't see here just yet.(and need to be invented here)

On a side note: Angel Emfrbl, i admit you are powerful defender of all things legal, but the world can be too different outside your visions. For far as i can tell, you are in the the "mostly white" part of it, where pepole are just scared to death, for confronting any rules or regulations. For me, i live in a place you can call "the hell" in terms of sw policy, as it "if you use a licnsed sw, you are country traitor, or a corrupted buerocrat(with dirty money). If you use a cracked sw, you are a patriot." Of course im a bit exaggerating, but not too significant. Im more of a white crow on a  grey-to-black asphalt, easy to hit for. Again im not copmpelling to something(or someone), but try to say that the rules are not that fair for us that it seems, and must be questioned to find what really important for us now...

long post again, i know, just cant stand write here :P

Merry X-mas)))