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Message here
Why did you delete my page? That was kind of rude dont you think?

Lourdes outcome
Its time to decide that fate of that page, all comments welcome. See talk page. One-Winged Hawk 12:21, February 11, 2011 (UTC)

About the cache system...
Its a REAL pain when trying to get the right image to show. I tried several tricks that sometimes work on that Papa macne image to work and none worked. You get left with a sorry excuse for an image because of it sometimes. :-( One-Winged Hawk 17:10, February 14, 2011 (UTC)


 * When I first came over to the wikia systems back in about 2006 or something, there was not this problem. Its been going for years and they have never adressed the issue despite all the nagging from editors. One-Winged Hawk 17:16, February 14, 2011 (UTC)


 * Someone taught me a few tricks that once worked. One is reverting several times, the second is deleting *some* revisions and the third is re-upload.  But that time it was stubborn to no end.  As they stopped working recently I think its better to try and upload under a new title completely. I don't really understand all the mess with the cache system though, I know that its a problem with it, but just not what causes it. One-Winged Hawk 17:24, February 14, 2011 (UTC)


 * I'm a veteran at editing and even then I have to copy+paste stuff, and I have to think about fixing our forum this week and finding out why that thing isn't displaying topics in places. Be lucky, you didn't dedicate yourself to something like that.  The Lourdes stuff already took up my time last week and its still not really resolved. The macne series have my attention today because "Sasa Macne?  They made another one?" which shows you that I don't pay attention to non-Vocaloid but still related stuff much.


 * BTW, nice job on the fanmade pages, I see what you guys were on about now. Yeah, thats a better idea then what I was thinking up. :-3 One-Winged Hawk 17:46, February 14, 2011 (UTC)

72.187.77.4
Hello. I am the creator of Suzunari Null. Null is indeed a Vocaloid, being released in 2015. She is currently in development, signaling no right for you to have deleted this page.

Not going to be around for a while
Personnel reasons. I can't explain all the details on-line so I'm not going to. sorry about this, something just came up thats all. One-Winged Hawk 12:19, March 17, 2011 (UTC)

I got a few days with *some* spare time here and there for small tweaks before I completely disappear for a while so I'm just polishing off a few bits. I also had a slider planned which I was just sorting out and was about to put up a sandbox.

I was thinking that perhaps another admin might be useful to elect in. I'll adress that with O Herman if you think its okay. We've got four staff including AL and since we have 4 and are small, we can only afford one or two more staff members until the wikia gets a bit bigger. So the next staff member would have to really be the last for quite some while. One-Winged Hawk 18:29, March 17, 2011 (UTC)

"Go for it!" ;-)

I swear one of the articles we already had a page for, it might help. Also, we might have to adress how these songs should be set out? I don't know. One-Winged Hawk 18:48, March 17, 2011 (UTC)


 * They properly need a template index like the Vocaloid pages. Leave this to me, before I take a break for a while, I'll get a template for the songs so we have *some* formality and universal thing to them if its nothing else. One-Winged Hawk 01:07, March 18, 2011 (UTC)


 * Lets put it lets way, its just information on the song nothing more so if your intrepretations wrong, then I hope that clarifies. ;-)One-Winged Hawk 11:30, March 18, 2011 (UTC)


 * "Been there, done that, disaster, never again". Lol. ;-) One-Winged Hawk 13:52, March 18, 2011 (UTC)

Inter wikia linking
We have a request for wikia inter-linking. See my talk page. If everythings fine with you and O Herman we can set this up. One-Winged Hawk 09:21, April 5, 2011 (UTC)

VY2
I need your godly colour matches skills on VY2.

I don't have time to do stuff today because in a few mintues I have to finish packing for a weekend break with my mother.

I was busy reading the Ann and Al stuff last night... so er... Yeah... Spent more time seeing fan reactions then packing bag to the point where it was midnight and I'd completely stopped. Lol. One-Winged Hawk 07:53, April 8, 2011 (UTC)

Hi Bunai. Found a laptop at my mothers, but can't log onto it. I also hate laptops so I'll keep this brief. Can you update main pain "mainnews" to eexplain the Al and Ann new looks. I saw that on VO forums. I can't work this (I won't say my opinion of laptops or this one but you don't want to hear it). Haven't read through all the details, will do that monday. Many thanks.

This is the only thing I'm going to do on this (insert crude word about laptop here) thing. ¬_¬

-Angel Frmbl 92.7.228.116 12:59, April 9, 2011 (UTC)

Just checked...
No, however I HAVE had it happen to me on the main page. One-Winged Hawk 07:49, April 12, 2011 (UTC)


 * It happens every so often for me, however, its not something like a cookie problem because my computer doesn't delete cookies without my premission (when I do a clean up). Whatever it is, its random when it occurs. One-Winged Hawk 18:56, April 12, 2011 (UTC)

Preposed fanmade page
I'm busy all day, but if you have problems, I'll take a look at whats going on. One-Winged Hawk 05:35, April 13, 2011 (UTC)

>:(
Why did you delete my page? That was very mean. Tell me why please?

You've been a busy beaver...
Whoa... Your on fire! One-Winged Hawk 13:44, April 14, 2011 (UTC)


 * So are you going to fix the broken links related to the boxart on the actual pages then or am I'm being left to fix it tomorrow when I have time lol? One-Winged Hawk 16:06, April 14, 2011 (UTC)

Have you tried main Vocaloid directory then put them as V1 and V2 as a sub-directory or is that what your suggesting.

Sorry I'm tired this evening and reading things is difficult. One-Winged Hawk 18:47, April 14, 2011 (UTC)

Kasane Keko
She isn't an UTAU but Teto's sister, she uses Len's voice. She is just a re-color of Teto, please take the poll off, and I didn't create her, Doofus-P did. She's a Fanmadeloid. :/

Snowloid

Sweet!
I've been forced to sit back and watch. I feel guilty but I don't know how your setting things up right now so I've just had to wait for you to finish, doing odd little things here and there. One-Winged Hawk 07:40, April 18, 2011 (UTC)


 * You'll have to ask Dame on what that site is. T_T


 * But lets keep it in mind for now. One-Winged Hawk 21:41, April 18, 2011 (UTC)

Name orders
for western order names, label them as "English/Western name" as that reads more appropriately. And I think we should convert the fanmades to the Japanese name order too, particularly names supplied with indigenous Japanese names. Yes, I was one of those that wasn't in favor of the naming order, but looking at it now, it doesn't look that bad. O Herman 09:07, April 19, 2011 (UTC)

unbalanced
The side bar of the main page shouldn't be longer then the main bulk, I had to juggle to get it right Bunai. :-/

I'm not going to stop you, I'm just noting it here because it looks arkward, we've got to keep them fairly balanced otherwise it look unprofessional. One-Winged Hawk 07:21, April 21, 2011 (UTC)


 * Would moving the videos to the main bulk help? I can alter the template to fit them with the main page layout.  It might take some tweaking as you can't just move and slot something like that. One-Winged Hawk 07:24, April 21, 2011 (UTC)


 * Also it might give more room for other videos like demos? One-Winged Hawk 07:25, April 21, 2011 (UTC)

Let me think about this for today. I'll see if theres another way of doing things. One-Winged Hawk 09:44, April 21, 2011 (UTC)


 * Lol, its okay, its not a big deal. I've tried some scrolling boxes on the "did you know" section, how does it look your end? One-Winged Hawk 10:16, April 21, 2011 (UTC)

figurines table
Hmmm... I don't know how it looks to you but it looks out of place to me. I do note its not worth have the date and thing next to it as I can't find the date of releases for most of those figurines. It renders it pointless.

Have you tried a table with the picture up top and the text underneath it? It would allow them to be side by side. However, I think your going to come across the same layout probs... I hate Oasis, the layout has caused so many problems for so many people, this is yet another example. *sigh* its not your fault, its the wikia team for forcing it on everyone and removing the template everyone loved. One-Winged Hawk 21:01, April 23, 2011 (UTC)


 * I'll have to get back to you on that one tomorrow, I have to set up for a zoo trip (good grief) tomorrow, I'm about to empty a SD card of old photos and go to bed. Sorry, I'll tell you tomrrow how it looks....  If I'm not shattered and really to collasp from walking around the largest in my country zoo. T_T One-Winged Hawk 21:18, April 23, 2011 (UTC)


 * ... ... ... ... ... Any trip with my father is a pain. ... ... ... ... He is so "ARGH" he ruins every trip he takes me on. -_-'


 * I might just not be on-line at all tomorrow and drown my sorrows. Not that I drink, its a figure of speech. I will note some features don't really work well on mono anyway.  I'm just using it because its not oasis. One-Winged Hawk 21:36, April 23, 2011 (UTC)


 * I was thinking up a really intelligent way to put this in perspective after reading your message and all I came up was this; at least one of us is having fun tomorrow. Lol. X-D One-Winged Hawk 21:50, April 23, 2011 (UTC)

Receptions
I'm a bit skepital about adding these because its not something you can prove on the spot. Can you go over the few I'm adding right now and give feed back on if its a good idea? Reception is a difficult thing to write about, especially when all you've got is forum comments and youtube notes. If you think its not a good idea, just revert everything back. I'm sort of uncertain about it myself. I'm going to do one more, Big Al and leave it at that. One-Winged Hawk 07:20, April 26, 2011 (UTC)


 * Argh, answered on my talk page instead of yours! @_@


 * Sorry Bunai, but yeah, answers on my talk page... Very sorry. One-Winged Hawk

Pick up page and a interaction idea
I don't know, I've been considering a page specifically for editors to pick up anything worth noting anywhere. Basically, it will list things in need of translating, who has translated it and where. As well as list any sites where users might want this kind of information. I'll organise it next week.

Also, I'm considering a wikia challenge page where users can subject a project to a monthly theme. I don't know about that one, we're not a fansite, but it could produce interest results. We don't have a community set up here and it would be nice to get one going since I can't fix our forum. The first one will go up on the 1st day of next month. >_<' One-Winged Hawk 11:02, April 29, 2011 (UTC)


 * I can reset the forum no probs and will do that over the weekend. One-Winged Hawk 21:54, April 29, 2011 (UTC)

Template
The template idea is much better then what we have now, that much I can say. One-Winged Hawk 06:55, May 2, 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for telling me

fanmades
You know this is getting silly. Out of the last 12 fanmade pages, all have been spam, fanfictional characters never intended to be serious stuff or undeveloped characters. I'm tempted to say its time to just accept that we're not getting anywhere allowing people to add characters on the wikia. Its not like we get a Neru or Haku popular character appear everyday and outside of Japan, theres little in the way of popular fanmades. One-Winged Hawk 07:01, May 8, 2011 (UTC)


 * BTW, I just put the thing on the wikia I was going to try out a week ago, if its not successful I'll retire it at the end of the month. One-Winged Hawk 08:11, May 8, 2011 (UTC)

"Claim to Fame"
Thats a placeholder name, my minds gone blank and I don't know what to call it. O.o

Any ideas Bunai? Thats not really what the sections for. One-Winged Hawk 09:04, May 11, 2011 (UTC)

I'll properly move it lower down the page closer to trivia anyway later, I was just mass putting it on pages at the top. Sorry. I was sort of juggling several things at once. my bad. @_@

"Achievements" seems closet to intention though. Though is Sonika's "worst voicebank" note an achievement, lol. One-Winged Hawk 11:34, May 11, 2011 (UTC)


 * "Notablity?" perhaps? I don't know, I began editing that last message before you wrote the second, regardless, enjoy your sleep.  ;-) One-Winged Hawk 11:36, May 11, 2011 (UTC)

MMD listings
BTW, theres a reason for the MMD models being listed in the galleries now, but I'm not saying why. It has something to do with the gallery notice. One-Winged Hawk 18:31, May 11, 2011 (UTC)


 * Oh thats fine. I'm not going to interfer with that, you can also put the gallery notice there anyway. Lol.  ;-) One-Winged Hawk 18:37, May 11, 2011 (UTC)


 * Already heard about that one prior to uploading it, ironically, I know also the sad story behind it, haha, not to mention its the ONLY story I know of MMD, I don't really have an interest in MMD, its just one of the first Miki songs I saw on youtube mentioned it. I listed it in the end for that reason, though I'll note that on the gallery, iit was meant to help identify the model amongst others. One-Winged Hawk 18:46, May 11, 2011 (UTC)


 * Lol, The miki thing was a fluke, youtube brought it up in a video related to "good night", but you renamed the file before I could put it on the MMD page here as an example of a c and d on the release of a model. Go back to sleep please Bunai!  J/k, I wouldn't force you to do that, just keep editing!  sorry couldn't resist a more light hearted joke. XD One-Winged Hawk 18:57, May 11, 2011 (UTC)

Did making the text smaller help? One-Winged Hawk 19:26, May 11, 2011 (UTC)


 * I'll make the Iroha model I just uploaded the last then, I'm not good at MMD model look ups as it turns out, half the time I can't find the makers name... One-Winged Hawk 19:41, May 11, 2011 (UTC)


 * I know Charuko did a Big Al model for instance, I couldn't find it. His Ann model was easier to find. One-Winged Hawk 19:46, May 11, 2011 (UTC)

Well
Is there anything in common with these videos? Some producer/uploader?

BTW sorry for the slow reply, spent all morning shopping and gardening. T_T One-Winged Hawk 11:06, May 13, 2011 (UTC)


 * I'm tempted to make them all red text tomorrow. Honestly I don't know about this one... One-Winged Hawk

Bil's a great guy!
He just gave me premission to put some e-mail contents on the wikia. Thats Bil from PowerFX! I knew the next Vocaloid was male though cause someone mentioned it at VO a high ago, being higher pitched. But without confirmation... One-Winged Hawk 22:38, May 13, 2011 (UTC)


 * To a degree they already do interact a little bit more, their more approachable then some of the Japanese companies and are more willing to give out information. But you always have to ask for it... One-Winged Hawk 10:08, May 14, 2011 (UTC)

Their own forum...
http://z8.invisionfree.com/VocaloidOtaku/index.php

There are some who have returned to the old forum now... One-Winged Hawk 14:25, May 14, 2011 (UTC)

Oh I didn't spot that..
Yeah your right, O Herman shouldn't use the news for that sort of thing... I spotted he updated the blacklist.

So sorry, I've been busy all day. T_T' One-Winged Hawk 20:30, May 15, 2011 (UTC)


 * This is how O Herman runs the news on UTAU wikia. I guess thats why he did it. One-Winged Hawk 20:55, May 15, 2011 (UTC)

...Oh isn't there one??? I thought there was. Whoops. O.o One-Winged Hawk 20:58, May 15, 2011 (UTC)


 * Pretty much, I've handled really nasty cases back there, including a group rebel who asked to be delisted, but upon discovery, we found more worms in the can. O Herman 21:00, May 15, 2011 (UTC)


 * And then there's this persistent local vandal, and another vandal who happened to be the sibling of a well-known voicebank producer. Oh the headaches... O Herman 21:00, May 15, 2011 (UTC)

Re: sailorearth
The reason for this is that the user has been reported to be quite a stigma to the MMD community. The offender in question is also shameless and thus deserved the call out. O Herman 20:31, May 15, 2011 (UTC)

I'm trying to avoid this one as best as possible, I hardly know the MMD community, my cousins a lawyer and I have had experience with Japanese fandom falling out when I was with the Beyblade fandom back in 2004-6, I know how ugly these things can be and how passionate Japanese artists are from it. I also know how stupid the western fandoms can be though... Honestly Bunai, that statement on the blacklist is the last dealing I'll have with this case.

I'm going to leave it for the MMD community to sort out. After going through her youtube account, her case is bigger then it sems and not so simple as Ricardo's was. Ricardo, I was prepared to deal with because it was a straight foward break of the Vocaloid terms and we got vandalised to boot. I apologise for calling the discussion to halt, but I'm waiting to see if this user bother contacts us or not. Without the person approaching the wikia, theres nothing else to add. I'd like to get on with normal editors this evening and push her case aside. Ricardo cost me 3 days of editing trying to sort that out. -_-' One-Winged Hawk 17:02, May 17, 2011 (UTC)


 * I'm glad you understand, this is why I'm trying to end the conversation. I think the level of legal issues this is touching on is out of our league at the very basis... ITs this sort of thing I was reluctant to have a blacklist on.  I wanted to add MMD users but when the time was right and thought O Herman had it covered.  I wish I knew more on the MMD suitation with copyrights, so far I've based everything on my experience with another free software Daz|Studio that provides a simailair sort of scenario.  The trouble is, the MMD model makers can't call copyright on the mascot character based models.


 * HOWEVER, saying that, most of them appear to be working from a doll base they produced themselves, the doll IS their copyright propertity. I'll properly add this to the MMD page.  In the case of Daz, Daz owns the copyright to the Victoria "doll" that comes with the Daz|Studio software, users may create additional work based on and from, but the doll will always belong to Daz.  The same pretty much applies here.  If the users say a doll base cannot be used, they own the terms of agreements on it.  Thats the issue on here, its not if the Gumi model is not copyrighted, its if the doll base Gumi was made from is copyrighted. :-/ One-Winged Hawk 19:33, May 17, 2011 (UTC)


 * If not for my experience with Daz|studio, I'd have no idea myself on what part fo a 3D model they actually own. So anyone who claims a Gumi model doesn't belong to a producer, they fail to acknowledge its the models base thats copyright.  Daz gives premission on users to modify their freebie victoria model, they don't care so long as you never claim Victoria is owned by you and you acknowledge its a mod for their "doll" Victoria.  In the case of other models they don't mind so long as you pay for the model in the first place.  However, as they own Voctoria they decided on the copyright of her, so anyone breaking the terms of use they put on her "doll" is held responisble.


 * The same pretty much applies to the "dolls" of MMD and why from what I gather people are failing to acknowledge why their breaking the rules on these models. The model producers are however failing to explain this very well, either because they can't or they themselves do actually know what they own.  The fact it resembles Gumi means nothing in the end... Its the "doll" used for Gumi that belongs to the copy right holder.  Heck, Victoria is made to look like character all the time... One-Winged Hawk 20:09, May 17, 2011 (UTC)

This si getting out of hand, now Sailorwhateverhername is has made a facebook, someone else has made a counter facebook account to go against her and they linked to the URL of the wikia without asking premission! Its fine to link to use for information, but not to use as a canonball in a fight. I'm adding a message to the wikias blacklist adressing this. I cannot believe how this is turning out, this url link pulls us out of neutral stance, we have to get them to remove it, I already requested they remove the link. If they want a url they have to make their own "blacklist" and not use ours like their trying to do. One-Winged Hawk 13:02, May 18, 2011 (UTC)


 * Done, as usual I leav it to you to edit as you please. Honestly, any more of this and I'll have to retire the page... I never knew the heachace that awaited us when MMD models landed on it.  At least Pocaloid is a simple right or wrong.  MMD seems to be many shades of grey. -_-' One-Winged Hawk 13:12, May 18, 2011 (UTC)


 * I'll only delete the page if we keep getting this sort of thing over and over again. Right now, getting that facebook account to remove us from their url is enough.  Honestly, its the fact O Herman's involved making it worst.  I don't want to side with the Producers because having used 3D images I think their just not making it clear what they own and until they do they will always get these problems.  Then again, my experience with past incidents is strong enough to prevent me ever siding on the other guys.


 * If the model makers truly don't want their work stolen though, they must get all their dolls copyrighted and get studios premission. If they do that then theres absolutely no doubt they have control over the models.  But in Japan, theres so much respect... Its as Dame said before with Vocaloid, the voicebank is the soul the mascot the avatar... The models represent the soul of the model producer.  Thats why their getting so hurt about the steal.  But until they get the law on their side they just can't fully protect themselves.  Most of the guys in the western fandom are fine and abide by their rules, its just the odd ones like this case where theres conflict.  And what happens if someone ever tries to go to court with this?  It all only makes the conflict difficult.  In fact, some producers may even have copyright but their not making it clear even then what they own.  Their just quoting the same sentances everyone else is listing without going out of the way to make things offical. In Japan, its enough to protect themselves...  :-/


 * Honestly, I've said it several times now, I don't know what the ultimate answer on this is and its really a hard case to call. One-Winged Hawk 13:49, May 18, 2011 (UTC)

The way I see it right now, it would be best for the Vocaloid wikia if someone was to set up a wikia especially FOR MMD. Oh wait... I'll throw this in front of O Herman too. This would relieve us of the trouble of sorting the MMD problem out and allow us to focus on Vocaloid/Pocaloid and not to have sudden grey areas like MMD. Plus, it came put the case in the realm of the experienced MMD users and let the experienced MMD users explain it, whereas, for example as in my case, I have no experience with MMD at all and have only the experience of another 3D program to go by. They can also help spread information, geck right now for all I know theres already on up, I need to adress this to O Herman. One-Winged Hawk 14:22, May 18, 2011 (UTC)


 * I'm also going to take the rest of today off to let this settle more... Whenever something like this happens I loose editing hours. I'll be on the wikia tomorrow to continue and I'm HOPING to not have to continue this. Mind you, I dared that once before didn't I?


 * But your right, when its on paper everyone seems to uderstand things in the west, the cultural divide is a cruel one sometimes. -_- One-Winged Hawk 14:33, May 18, 2011 (UTC)

So there is one but it never took off.... Hmm... I'm logged on to see if anything new occured, I'm not here to edit. Tomorrow I'll look at it further, we need to get the MMD communitity involved with it. Lots of folks set up wikias and then abandoned them like this one seems to have done. More importantly we've got to get it linked with the UTAU and Vocaloid wikias so all three sites support each other pretty much. Since the sites prety much abandoned, I have to see if the original owner will reply, if no one replies we've got to get someone to adopt it. One-Winged Hawk 19:46, May 18, 2011 (UTC)


 * Er.. Make that on of them.... The ones are are pretty much not up and running proper though the first one tried to be more resentable and the second one tried to build an inferstructure. I'll try contacting both owners tomorrow and see who replies, if one of them replies we'll try and deal with them.  If both... Oh well we'll deal with them both then. Lol. :-P One-Winged Hawk 19:50, May 18, 2011 (UTC)

The most amazing thing is I'm handling the MMD situation better then I'm handling my life off-line. Argh! I got an appointment with someone on the 2nd of June. Its a long story... I've sort of had 17 years of hell that have led up to this year struggle to cope, don't ask HOW I'm coping thats not important honestly. I've been told I'm an idiot if I don't tell the social workers to find my a place to live on the 2nd and my nan will kill me.

Heck right now I'm near neverous hyperventation just trying to gather nerves, its quite amazing how you can be so bold and brave on-line and so meek and cowardly off-line. Lol.

So... MMBeat it is? Might be worth getting some DA fanclubs listed somewhere. One-Winged Hawk 19:17, May 19, 2011 (UTC)

So..
I added a slideshow gallery to some of the infoboxes of the Vocaloids, in opinion... Do you think it was a good idea or should I revert everything back? I'm trying it out to see how it goes. O.o One-Winged Hawk 11:47, May 29, 2011 (UTC)


 * On a note, the slideshow works for even one image but won't switch between anything for obivous reasons, Ann's page is currently the one with a single slideshow gallery up.  The sizes can be adjusted on the width of the slideshow anyway so if it looks cramped thats fine too.  One-Winged Hawk 11:51, May 29, 2011 (UTC)


 * Well there is also the option of also putting them in the gallery too. I'm just feeling right now for what works or not and it won't take long to undo everything anyway and go back to norm. If it doesn't work out I can do that tomorrow.  One-Winged Hawk 16:14, May 29, 2011 (UTC)

Request?
Could attempt to match Ring and Lui's colours on the templates? I'm not sure what I'm looking at for a colour scheme. Ring's a little easier, Lui's the one thats difficult to pick out... >_<' One-Winged Hawk 12:32, May 30, 2011 (UTC)

** is attacking us now?
Quote:

So she has admitted that those are her DOX. I also see potential with trolling this wiki.

That was Meepsheep at who just trolled us. Seriously... this is crazy. This person believes if we're trolled we'll ban SailorEarth for good. Their actually trying to encourage us to get vandalised for allowing her to speak! Incrediable! I'm not saying SE is lying or telling the truth, we gave her a chance to speak when everyone else was blasting her. For crying out loud, this is crazy, we're not the enemies here, we never asked to get involved with this. I'm seriously P***ed with the MMD community right now. One-Winged Hawk 10:46, June 3, 2011 (UTC)

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