Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-53539-20130413201158/@comment-53539-20140710102023

Got ripe examples;

From DA, no links because this... This is just.... -_-

Okay so I did reply to the first, calling out his BS because Vocaloids, all of them are made with 3 layer of sounds; treble, bass and a... Erm.... "normal" (I don't actually know the name of the middle layer... O_O). I also pointed out that all Vocaloids get their samples edited, proving the guy wrong about Oliver on both levels. the second message is the response to me.

To be honest I think it depends on the vocaloid voicebank :/a certain vocaloids are recorded at more pitches than others, and it also depends on the list they use and such, how well they EQ the vocals, mic quality, the same stuff that goes into utau pretty much hhh

Like Iroha was recorded on a high quality mic and I believe her voicebank has....8 or 9 pitches, I've heard? While Oliver, while I reaaaally love his voice, was recorded on a low quality mic and only has one pitch, so his range isn't as great as other vocaloids. His voicebank wasn't EQ'd also, so there's quality issues because of that, too. (Idk if you know what EQing is but it's basically like, mixing the samples to make them sound higher quality and clearer. It's necessary for the vocaloid engine, while it's only optional with UTAU.)

I also find tuning in vocaloid really....inefficient unu They have the pitchbends /below/ the notes, rather than on top of them, so you wouldn't know exactly where the pitches are going. However, I find vocaloid's dynamics to be much better than UTAU's. It's a lot easier to adjust volume of vocals in vocaloid, but I also think that UTAU's vibrato system is easier to use.

so each programs have their flaws and their pluses, but I think I enjoy UTAU more because it's easier for me to use, and also voice OCs are pretty cool and feel a lot more personal than vocaloids. However, I'd love to learn how to properly tune vocaloids sometime yeye.

Uhhh actually, no I'm not making things up. I've spoken to Oliver's programmer. He's stated that he didn't EQ any of the vocals, and that Oliver is only recorded at 1 pitch.

Iroha, I'm not as sure as because I've heard this from a friend, but this friend said that she knows how to get into the .wavs into the vocaloid software to listen to the files, so I'll give you that one since I don't actually know how to do it myself. but since I've actually /spoken/ to Oliver's programmer, I'm not taking back that statements about Oliver.

Also to be honest I don't know what you're talking about with "layers", but from what I know from people that actually /work/ with making vocaloids, you record on a specific recording list at different pitches that play at different notes, in most cases.

Also, Oliver was just recorded by some kid in Europe with a mic, and didn't actually get payed for anything. He didn't go to a studio. The programmer just had him record some sounds from his home computer, as far as I know.

I don't know 100% sure how things were done with /other/ companies, but for Oliver, he's a mono pitch voicebank that wasn't EQed.

I don't make things up and I wouldn't have said anything if I hadn't gotten it from the actual programmers, but I did.

I replied to his second statement, I didn't cover all the issues with this post. Even if this guy isn't making it up, I honestly didn't expect him to replied with a post proving he isn't doing any official research.

I'm not going to pull every issue with his posts apart, but its well known that Oliver was recorded in a London studio by Anders for PowerFX. Even if all else fails, that can be proved. :-/