Talk:Kagamine Rin & Len/@comment-173.225.57.181-20191003173920/@comment-53539-20191004172922

Also, while his V4x is released and HQ compared to the V2 era voicebanks, you have to bare in mind that note for note there have always been Vocaloids who were either HQ compared to the CFM lot or can do more. I mean if you want to weigh things in, note that Rin is the better ranked singer of the two and Len has always had more problems.

Rileena highlighted the issue with sounding masculine, but this is other problems, both vocals are voice acted but Rin's more closer to the provide.r's own vocal. And when it comes to it, because of Rin tend to be the less "forced" vocal. Arsloid, Fukase, Yohioloid, the Zola boys, VY2 and Piko can all pretty much beat him for actually being voiced by male singers.

Also, though the V4x software had 6 vocals in them, they were split 3 for Rin and 3 for Len... And the result is that even together the pair have 1/3 the vocal tone variation of either Luka or Miku and are the weakest of the 3 V4x vocals for that reason.

This is without taking their English into account, you buy it for Rin, Len's not distinct enough from her and CFM didn't handle the pair's English vocals that well... And they have no XSY compared to English Luka and English Miku, with sadly English Miku being the one providing the best tones and therefore better then Luka thanks to CFM cheating on her "soft" vocal.

If you want a good singer you just don't buy Len and if you want a realistic male vocal you don't buy Len. What CFM should have done was allowed their vocals to become a XSY group like Ah Software and Internet did in V4, because that would have mean with 6 voicebanks, the Kagamines would have then become the most attractive vocals out for V4 for the CFM lot.

The Kagamines had a lot of problems and while its nice people are able to be fans of them, one shouldn't make the mistake of thinking their the greatest thing out there. Saying that, at this point due to the improvements in V4x, their also not the worst set of voicebanks out there either. The future is uncertain because at the moment their leaving Vocaloid after this year and we don't know when their next release will be for PS. They've come a long way from their crappy V2 releases (minus the Appends), but at the same time they've got problems from the fact that Len and Rin can never sound like each other. This limits the direction of their vocals compare to Luka or Miku, especially Miku.