Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-137.147.23.232-20151103062538/@comment-53539-20151218111455

while I agree with that idea that Engloids are finally settling out and other vocaloids re getting more popular, I have ideas why.

The ideas on why Engloids are getting more popular;
 * 1) More people are learning about their existence to begin with, one of the biggest issues up until V3 was not many knew Vocaloids outside of the Big 8.
 * 2) People are getting used to how they sound. People are now giving them more of a chance because their either used to them or a producer has changed someone's mind on a Vocaloid.
 * 3) English vocaloids are slowly improving over time. Even before v4, vocals like Avanna had small tweaks that put them above past Vocaloids.  Big Al is another example, he had more keys recorded for him, giving a bulkier VB over Sweet Ann.
 * 4) We're becoming less bias and more open about the idea. This is notable as the previous point about them improving doesn't explain why some guys like vocals like Leon, Lola and Miriam.  This is even more notable as one of the biggest complaints about English vocals was always thrown out the "perfect Japanese" vocals existence and "why a flawed English vocal doesn't need to exist".  There was a lot of this in 2009-10.  Over time people have also becoe more aware of the short comings of Japanese vocaloids, since more coverage of them exists.  Also the very things that made Japanese vocaloid popular in Japan are sometimes the very reason people don't want to know about them now... Like the no. of female vocals, which I can pull off the top of my head as a notable "complaint".
 * 5) The overseas market s expanding as more people find out about them, bringing in new producers and customers who want to give Vocaloid a try, but not ness, buy into one outside of their local language because they either don't understand it or don't want exploitation costs.
 * 6) Vocals that people want are now coming into play... Dex was a voicetpe people had asked for... But also Japanese -> English vocals were something people wanted (though they are not ness. happy with what we're getting).

I think the rise of Engloid sales is more due to expansion of the market and more people becoming aware of them. This is bias perhaps of an open to say, but I'd like to think we're contributing to that somehow.

If Miku did fall, I don't ness. think it will affect the overseas vocaloids due to the fact they only get enough sales to warrant continued production, but it will mean the collapse of possibly Japanese vocaloids. Yamaha and CFM both have invested a lot of money into Vocaloid and Miku and she is the main factor in Vocaloids still growing popularity, but I don't think they'll be affected in quit the same way.

I think Yamaha themselves want other vocaloids to succeed so its why they have been expanding the franchise slowly over time. Things like the apps and giving the vocals at a cheaper price mean there is different ways Vocaloid could always go. Introducing more languages while turning to focus a little on English vocals means that the loss of Miku and Japan means Vocaloid can still has X amount of support and can continue development in minor ways.

On the other hand CFM is going to suffer badly, since Miku in pretty much their cash cow. Her name is worth more then a vast bulk of the rest of their catalog of products they sell. She is also why they were able to steal Internet's crown from them of being the no.1 music supplier on the internet for Japan (which is why I believe Internet co then went into Vocaloids themselves to not loose out over CFM). They have tons of merchandise and have a lot of money tied up in Miku. They continue to only work they way they do right now because of her. While loosing Miku won't hurt all of their company, as at this point without her their products are selling better then they did before she existed... Its going to cause a loss within the company. I think CFM may survive, but it may end up either splitting up as a company or shutting down a lot of its current services to reduce loss. Another thing to note is that many of their products aren't made by them, but they have always had a distribution for overseas products like the Engloids themselves and Software like Cantor.

It important because although they have other Vocaloids they sell... Those Vocaloids don't recieve nearly as much attention. Its possible they could still continue Vocaloid and refocus on their other products. The other Vocaloid still pull in a profit, though they are not responsible for CFM's mass success in Vocaloid, and all contribution a !/4 of the success from what I gather.

Basically... CFM's survival outside of Miku (who contributed at least 40% of growth to their company in 2008) would depend on how well they could over their loss of Miku. They are more reliant on her then Yamaha is of Vocaloid itself.

To be honest, Vocaloid has been evening out over time, with less focus on Miku and thinning out more onto other vocaloids. She still pulls in the most sales (Vocaloids 19.2% increase last year is mostly put down to her V3 version don't forget) out of the Vocaloids. But many producers have either moved onto other things or are are trying out new vocaloids. When there was about 6 Vocaloids for Japanese producers to focus on 1,000,000 (inventing a example easy number to deal with) fans were concentrated on just a few vocals. Now with things were more in Miku's favour then 60+ Vocaloids, the same 1,000,000 the focus is more widespread. :-/

This is my thoughts. I've seen several stuff expand and shrink in a decade (Sonic the Hedgehog, Mortal Kombat, My Little Pony, MySpace, Guitar Hero, etc). I don't think Vocaloid is quite at its peak of trending yet, since there apparently is still that 19.2% expansion last year (nearly 20% is a large amount, like 1/5 expansion). But when it does, then we have more of a worries.