Talk:Vocaloid (mascot)/@comment-223.255.230.231-20150129134927/@comment-53539-20150129200245

In terms of quality, Yamaha themselves produce the overall best. So thats 1 tick against "best".

Another factor is that none of the CV vocaloids (Miku, Rin, Len and Luka) were made to be realistic so their not as good as some of the others. Another tick "against" best.

Their English we've seen so far could have been better. One more tick on the opposite of best side.

And then there is the the fact that Luka is not a professional singer, and is the best overall singing vocal of the 4... Thus... There is yet another tick, since Miku, Len and Rin are not great singers, because their vocalists basically weren't.

Back in V2, Miku and the Kagamines were among the worst vocals in terms of HQ, Miku is because she was early V2 and the Kagamine because they were rushed. Luka was the best V2 until the Appends, VY1/VY2 and Iroha came along... Which is the only vote that is "neutral" on who the best voclaoids are.

Then there is Kaito and Meiko who were not originally CFM Vocaloids so I'm only counting them as 1/2 Crytonoid.

Then there is the issue of them milking their vocaloids for all their worth especially Miku, while making no new vocaloids... :-/

Other then coming up with new ways to reinvent their vocaloids, of which "barely make them Vocaloids" seems to be the new direction with e.v.e.c....

I could go on... Their vocaloids are popular and to the point of being just over rated. it wouldn't be bad if there were more vocaloids on par with them, but people buy them BECAUSE their Miku, Len, Rin, etc... Many producers grew to be familair with Miku and regard her as easy to use. And her uber level of popularity means she'll sell without effort.

So yeah... I'm one of those who disagrees with the idea their "the best". I also barely count "Len" as male and regard his vocal as "female", which even Yamaha/bplats does (ryuto too).