Board Thread:News and Announcements/@comment-35301431-20140624200536

This is a partial archiving of the "Ritsu as a Vocaloid?" thread. This is to record the misunderstanding by myself, my judgement caused a problem and visibility here will show what went wrong.

As a current admin I will work harder to avoid scenarios such as this.

Decembirth

[Bunai82 from BOT account]

Please stay on topic to what the starting subject is. VIPPER creators certainly weren't aiming to be socially progressive when it came to Ritsu and Musa666 was not aiming to be offensive. The gender of Ritsu is sourced as "Unknown" by the official site and @wiki. @Musa, try not to repeat yourself, I don't believe people are expecting you to know everything from the gate.

To the topic. Unless V3 software is pushed to its maximum, I think having Ritsu as a V3 could hinder the vocal power the character is known for. There are some pros and cons when it come to both the VOCALOID and UTAU program. You got VOCALOID for clarity while UTAU raw renders can really stand out (depending on the Vb recording). Then again this all comes down to the producer tuning.

Ritsu - "BOX ROOM" MEIKO - "BOX ROOM", I read some nico comments that were impressed that MEIKO V3 managed to hit volumes that Ritsu's kira Vb does.

I'm personally still not keen on v flowers vocalizing, even though she is pretty powerful. Edited by Decembirth	18 hours ago Quote History Edit Remove

Musa666

Musa666

Thank you BOTBunai (that is what I will call the bot) 18 hours ago Quote History Edit Remove

Serza5

Serza5

I am at a loss for words at how appauled I am at that reaction.

While we were off topic we were intending to educate you Musa on why what you said was offensive (regardless of whether it's intentional) and Bunai defending because it wasn't on topic it is like saying we shouldn't call users out on racism because it's "off topic" and "wasn't intended". 17 hours ago Quote History Edit Remove

Chevsapher

Chevsapher

Okay seriously. You're chewing people out for being insensitive about the gender identity of a UTAU. And a UTAU who exists mainly for the lolz, at that. Have you ever heard the term "get a life?" Plus Musa wasn't even trying to offend you. Sorry to be rude, but really, Serza? Edited by Chevsapher	17 hours ago Quote History Edit Remove

Mihaelandnate

Mihaelandnate reply to #16

Chevsapher wrote: Okay seriously. You're chewing people out for being insensitive about the gender identity of a UTAU. And a UTAU who exists mainly for the lolz, at that. Have you ever heard the term "get a life?" Plus Musa wasn't even trying to offend you. Sorry to be rude, but really, Serza?

Intent doesn't matter. Just because someone didn't realize they were hurtful doesn't mean that our feels aren't hurt. But you know, it's jyst "LGBTQ+ crap", as you say. You aren't sorry about being rude, or you wouldn't have worded it this way. If this thread was about languages and Musa had mentioned that a vb shouldn't be bilingual because of race, then we wouldn't be the bad guys for speaking up. But God Forbid we try to educate someone on gender. 17 hours ago Quote History Edit Remove

Chevsapher

2 Kudos Chevsapher

Intent *always* matters. It changes situations completely.

You guys are way being way too sensitive about this, and not only is it off-topic but it wasn't meant to offend you guys. There's a time and a place for everything, and this isn't the time and the place for this. If we really must be technical about EVERYTHING, then we can at least be polite and off-handed when we try to "educate someone on gender". But if we're being technical, well then, Ritsu crossdresses for comedic effect. Ritsu is not a struggling transgender person trying to become comfortable with *insert possessive pronoun here* personal identity.

I've used the term "LGBTQ+ crap" because people start running around the room screaming dramatically whenever LGBTQ+ stuff is even hinted at. Often it's just over-dramatized to the point of stupidity. If you must be concerned about these things, be concerned about situations where it really matters. And there are so many situations were it really does matter. I'm saying this from personal experience, and I'm sure you can relate. 16 hours ago Quote History Edit Remove

Bunai82

2 Kudos Bunai82 reply to #15

Serza5 wrote:

Mihaelandnate wrote:

Off-topic as in I know what comes when you go back and forth with someone and believe them to be against you. I would rather you or Mihaelandnate, creating a new thread about the subject of Ritsu and gender as oppose to a thread that deviates from the subject of a Voice bank, which was the intention of the topic.

Educating someone is fine, however, just take notice that Musa is aware of how intimidating you both can be and that was my defense on the matter. It had nothing to do with not informing someone on an important subject. This is coming off the week where there was already tension within this wiki, I am already overwhelmed with trying to maintain some order while editing and enjoying the fandom. I do not want this to turn into another battle ground. 16 hours ago Quote History Edit Remove

Musa666

Musa666

I literally have no idea what just happend. @Chevsaper Why did you tell Serza to get a life? That was really rude/mean. You might have implied a sorry but, since I don't understand what the heck is being said above I don't know. XD. 16 hours ago

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