Talk:Derivative/@comment-37432083-20181212041056/@comment-53539-20181217224715

Even Kaiko isn't official and yet its noted on this page because Wat mentioned her.

A lot of the problem with the Derivatives is producers tossed them out as "elder brother of Kaito" or something and it would be not much different from the original. It may just be a red Kaito like Akaito or a off-pitch Miku like some of the original examples of "Haku songs". Zatsune Miku for example is a long abandoned variant who existed for just a couple of months technically and had almost nothing given about her except the basics. There is no commitment for CFM to adopt every derivative and most go ignored, abandoned with little fleshing out if any.

This is why people got sick of the fan OCs of Vocaloid. There was vastly a lack of creativity and people would do things like create "the lover of Len". And as new Vocaloids entered the scene people also got sick of CFM being the only ones to get this treatment, when it was more then just Miku around now. Don't believe how bad the Vocaloid fan can focus only on the CFM Vocaloids? The answers wiki pretty much I would say is 95% questions about either them or their songs. Of the many relationship questions, I think about 10 weren't about "The Big 8"/"Great 8"/"Gre8", however you want to label them as.