Board Thread:Off-Topic Discussion/@comment-6433273-20180322113157/@comment-53539-20180506100907

To be honest, the issue with the poll has been at play for a while. There were a few people at VO forums who had a gun pointing at PowerFX from the moment Ruby's drama took place. So there were people who were gunning for PFX and even if they still were in the game and even if they repaired their situation like Zero-G did... They had made up their mind.

Also, you still can get Ann into V4, its just hard like other vocaloids can be in V2. If you buy from CFM, for example, you'll be able to get help from them get it in. At this point, I don't think there is a V2 you can't get into V4 with difficulty. I think someone stated that you can still use the V2->V3->V4 method, but honestly I wouldn't know how true that is.

Sweet Ann is by far not the worst Engloid you can buy, despite her flaws Sonika is still the worst. Heck, remember Sonika was never the worst V2 English voicebank, that was Luka V2 English because it was missing a ton of sounds. And Sonika's issue was her terrible voicebank itself and not her capabilities, I have said in the past its AMAZING for a V2 what she is capable of saying... She... Just can't say it that well. But Sonika is a special case. Sweet Ann was just made with the base Yamaha code, she couldn't have been *that* bad as Miku English referenced her voicebank when they were making it.

Actually, because Daina and Dex don't come with the full Vocaloid software and Big Al and Sweet Ann do, their cheaper then Dex and Daina. You still need to own the engine for full use of the vocaloid. So no matter what, Dex and Daina aren't cheaper then Ann and Al even when bought together.

SBS Artech would still be worst then PowerFX, remember they pretty much over sold and badly handled SeeU and made promises they couldn't deliver on her English. There is a huge mess there to deal with... But they wanted SeeU to be the next Miku so they put too much into SeeU and tried to make her sound fantastic too soon. If we're also on the subject, then Zero-G was also worst then PowerFX, however, Zero-G has since been able to repair its reputation since the Sonika mess that was worst then Ruby. Ruby's was just boxart, Sonika's was the voicebank itself afterall.

Actually, the quality of PowerFX vocaloids shouldn't be much different to the quality of Zero0G's. Skipping Ruby who was worked mostly Syo alone and a bit of Anders... The same crews who work on PowerFX also work on Zero-G vocaloids.

For example, Big Al has a croaking issue, but bare in mind the V2 vocals were cursed with pluck sounds which he doesn't have. Those pluck sounds are caused by feedback I believe and occur even in Kiyoteru V2 so... It was actually a surprise Big Al didn't have them. The croak also occurs even in Miku V2, but because of her lighter vocal and less samples in those areas, the croak is barely able to be heard, likewise its also heard in Prima but again is barely heard. I have no ideal why its so obvious in Al, but may be because of his tone being so deep, as Vocaloid itself is confirmed by Wat as struggling with deeper tones like those in male vocals and deep females.

Ruby's quality issue either way falls onto Syo's hands as I've said, he was mostly the one to work on her. If she is bad, its his fault and not much can be argued on that. The version he handed over to Yamaha was also still approved by them, meaning she met their standard tests and requirements and Yamaha felt she was good enough to be released. There is also the issue that Syo stated PowerFX were not ness. going to get her, which meant she could go to Zero-G or CFM, which were Anders' other two options for Syo to go with. So this issue would be with whomever had Ruby and not ness. PowerFX.

Bare in mind also that Oliver as a choir boy would have originally be lined up for Zero-G and it was stated back in 2004 they had his voicebank planned. Oliver also acts just like a Zero-G vocal does and even has the same set of common traits they have. About all I can say is PowerFX did do some recordings themselves, as was the case with Yohioloid and normally Vocaloids are recorded by Anders.