Talk:VOCALOID/@comment-189.54.253.111-20150523040616/@comment-53539-20150523103247

A lot of the issues Leon would encounter with German would be the result of missing sounds such as the "ch" sound which is present in other Germanic languages but not English. (Syo noted this when he was talking about sounds in Vocaloid + ruby). If a vocaloid doesn't have a sound you are instantly limited on what you can do with editing without it sounds broken, forced or generally unnatural.

There used be a lot of people that believed that English by Japanese Vocaloid vocals were better then they were. Nowadays, its more myth caused by the spread of false information early on versus the late correct information trying to catch up and not always doing that... or general fan stubbornness that lets this false information endure within the fandom. Nowaays its not just Japanese vocaloids subject to this... See SeeU... Then Maika... Both of which with just a handful of extra phonemes can apparently replace an entire English vocal if you want to believe that BS the fans are trying to spread. Despite the fact Wat, SeeU English and Maika's developers both have more or less in their own ways said none of this is a replacement for actual proper voicebanks set up for that language... Which is why the fandumb part of the fandom isn't purely a noob domain, as these things are more expressed by vets who overvalue or overpraise a particular vocal they adore then noobs whoare just clueless to the facts.

I used to mock the idea of spending 8 hours editing Miku V2 to make her sing in English for a piece that a English built vocal could do within 2 hours tops without such heavy editing involved. Some producers are good at doing this and I praise them, as I'm not above being impressed by skill... But one can't mistaken good editing for natural capabilities within Vocaloid. Its like that 1 Yuki song that is constantly pulled out every time the argument about Japanese doing English is brought up, yet those who do that ignore all the bad examples where Yuki utterly failed to make basic sense. A Vocaloid is only as good as the user, regardless of what you do with it.

This also boils right down even to the language the vocaloid is built for... A User who can't even grasp basic Japanese won't now when a Vocaloid for that language is falling over and extra attention is needed on a particular sound.... And there are Vocaloids that struggle with core sounds in every language thus far Vocaloid has covered, with even Miku herself struggling in V2 with the sound "ma"...