Talk:Appetite of a People-Pleaser/@comment-2001:8003:F171:C700:98A5:37A:1B59:B7C6-20180312074156/@comment-53539-20180510123314

^You can to degree provide evidence why its bad.

For example;
 * 1) In this song, Flower is often drifting into high ranges, Flower is a low-range female and her higher ranges are LQ for this reason
 * 2) Flower is being used for English when she is only available for Japanese, while you can get "English" from Japanese, due to Japanese vocaloids having 1/5 the samples compared to an English vocaloid... And only about 40% of the Japanese language having near match or identical samples... The only way to get HQ English is via a English voicebank.
 * 3) There exists at least one Vocaloid who could have done both of these things and better but Ghostie currently lacks the skills to make it work.
 * 4) Ghostie admits though it took them 2 months, it could be better, this is not a problem

Regardless, while an opinion is an opinion, as you can see there were factors that held back the song from being as good as it could have been. This counts in a way as proof, the same counts with the issue of the Kagamine's original Act1 voicebank. It was bad because "X" number of reasons that held back the voicebank. Even if there is evidence, an opinion is not ness. wrong either, otherwise those 4 points I just listed above wouldn't matter.

Even if you criticise the song, point.4 makes Ghostie a good producer as they don't hide their not good and instead stated they need more practice. I've seen Circus berate someone who criticised their work, Ghostie's problem is just they need time and that's something that's fine. Even in the Japanese fandom, the randomness of popularity meant a number of producers had one-hit wonders and random fame before they were super good, while super good producers didn't get fame at all. Bare in mind, Gisueppe is our biggest example of a producer who I don't think many of us could get behind, he had the skills but his attitude towards vocaloid fans was what let him down and any criticism towards his work in addition.

In a similar vein, at least one professional critic felt Cyrus' "Wrecking Ball" song was good, but she was the wrong singer for the song and a better singer could have done more for the song. So even professional level songs and singers have their share of criticism.

Bare in mind, I also think rap music is crap and my opinion is shared by an awful lot of people around the world. Does it make our opinions any less valid? There is also the criticism towards heavy use of auto-tune. In both cases, the case for criticism can considered by the fact that a lot of "bad singers" (people who can't sing so well) can get into "music" as it requires less of what one would consider "talent". However, something like opera which requires a lot of talent, is said to be real music, just can be boring. And once again, that's a high level of professionalism that has suffered criticism in all areas and whle you can't exactly provide proof, you cannot say these opinions are any less valid because of how many people say the same things.

Even if all this what I've said doesn't justify my opinions, bare in mind that all Vocaloid songs have their fair share of criticism and we just don't talk about them that much, this is simply the song that got attention.

I don't feel you get the point here, we should be free to have an opinion, express it,etc. I should not have to force like a song, and if I can validate wht I feel its bad with solid reasons such as poor quality choices, that should be good enough. Often those criticising in favour don't even bother saying *why* they like something. To me, that is worst then not having an opinion at all. There is always something like "I love the beat" that makes you like a song.