Talk:Kagamine Rin \ Len/@comment-68.191.250.11-20150705142727/@comment-53539-20150705170838


 * Rin and Len are so much better than other Vocaloids.

No they are not. They have a rep for being problematic release with Quality issues in both Act1 and Act2. The Appends may be among the best of V2, but this isn't' their stable release.m Even then, being mere V2's still at this moment they are behind on quality compared to V4's that are released. Sure they have a release coming up, but thats not yet released so... Yeah...

Also in addition, bare in mind every Vocaloid has its pros and cons and the Kagamines can't do every single thing that going. There are other vocaloids that do things better or cover genres they don't cover so well. Then there is the issue of them being voice acted, thus they are not realistic, Len being the least realistic because he is not even voiced by a male.


 * And I'm not just saying that because I'm a crazy Len fangirl.

Yes you are, you can read their information and see what stops them being so great. Even if your not crazy, your either ignorant or bias becuase you would have a more balanced opinion if you weren't and acknowledge their reputation in V2 and their lack of a current V4 release that is in order to compete with modern vocals right now.

The Kagamines aren't really that expressive, they have the problem of being power types they were made for precision and accuracy. Luka has more expression in her tone then they do. Miku's just meant to sound cute and she can cover a lot more genres then both Kagamines. I'm saying this despite not being a M<iku fan. Plus her rep was that of one being easier to use then the Kagamines, plus for having a V3 release she is currently higher quality then the Kagamines with just a V2. She too has a V4 planned...
 * You are never going to see a Miku song with as much soul as Migikata no Chou. I mean, both versions, I can hear the emotion poured into them.

And at any rate, Miku has more Appends as a character then either Rin or Len have, 6 versus 3 for Rin and 3 for LEn. She has access to far more expressive tones then they do. Not to mention that both have 1 vocal each (power) which is basically a Act3 leaving them with onyl 2 expressive Appends each.


 * But, the two examples I put in are way more realistic than most Miku songs.

None of the Character Voice series is meant to be realistic. If you want realism go to Mew, VY1, VY2, Galaco red, etc as those are realistic vocals. It doesn't matter if the Kagamines are more realistic then Miku, their not intended to be realistic at all and neither is Miku which is the point. The most seasoned voice is Luka and she is about as close to realism as you can get and her provider didn't even think her V2 vocal sounded much like her.


 * Miku literally sings about love and only love.

Yes because of the 40,000+ original songs, the 100+ songs altogether, there is no dark, sad, or any other emtoional song and she only sings love, happiness and all that. She never sings soul or any other genres. Listen, Miku has basically covered every topic and every genre at this point.


 *  It's unrealistic for her age. 

You know there was a point where the music industry only churned out mostly "feel good" songs and its only recent decades that this isn't the case. And there are teenagers/16 year olds who do listent o only happy songs because their often smash hits because of their appeal. No offence, tyhe majority of songs made are just about love/sex and its the most popular subject of any song. This is -period-.


 * . Have you ever heard a depressing Miku song? No covers, just a Miku original.

Yes, I can't name them off the top of my head but I know others can. They exist believe it or not.


 * I love those songs, but does Miku really sound that depressed? 

Yes, especially if you use the right Append voice like Dark.


 * It's just like more than half of this fandom is all Miku all the time, when there's a perfectly good Rin and Len song right in front of them.

I'm not a fan of the Kagamines nor am I fan of Miku... I have Miku songs I can tolerate and even like. I have 1 Rin song which I like and its Baby Bear and its not her why I like the song. I have no songs I like with Len in. I'm not bias because all 3 of the vocals are in my bottom 10 Vocals for vocaloid, so please tell me what makes a perfectly good Rin and Len song because I can bring up IA songs, Lapis songs, Yukari songs, Prima songs, Tonio songs, etc, etc which I think are good and better then any Kagamine song. You see how opinions of what is "good" work?

As for Miku... She is popular... In the first year of her release Miku songs 40,00+ units and the Kagamines 20,000+... She was the soul reason for last year there being a 19.2% raise in Vocaloid related sales. Long story short, Miku is popular and has at least twcie as many producers using her, if not more at this point. You can't compete with numbers. If only 1 in every hundred songs is good, then she has more good songs by default due to how many songs she has. I mean... She can have over 1,000 hits a month on Nico video... Rin her closest rival has typically only a couple of hundred, half of Miku's releases at the most.


 * Crypton did well with all of the Character Vocal series, and I love them all equally, except for Len, becuase as you know already, fangirliness.

How can you love them all equally if you have a favourite? You straight away contradicted yourself.

And what are the other Vocaloids not part of the CV series, Chop liver? I like tonio, Big Al and Macne Nana and I'd rather nuggle up with a Kaito song then any of the 4 CV's at this point. Its not that I dont' care for them, its that I have no interest in them as they don't appeal to them. I'm not alone and a lot fot he overseas fans around VO and the wikia are no longer souly sold on the CV series. Japan is because they are loyal to CFM due to their reputation.