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=2012= =June messages=

Deleting Fanmade Vocaloid Pages
I saw a page about this fanmade Vocaloid called Hageshi, Kureiji. Can you please delete it? StarsandPeacesigns 18:08, June 3, 2012 (UTC)

Message
Sure, sorry about that. Xeyuzio 23:41, June 7, 2012 (UTC)

Blog Page Deletion
Hey, I made a blog page a while back, but never got the chance to post on it. Now, it won't let me comment. Since there's nothing on the page except for what the blog was going to be about, it's a pretty pointless page. I can't delete pages since I'm not an admin, so could you delete it for me? KokoA 22:34, June 10, 2012 (UTC)

Deleting Photos
Can you delete ? It dosen't belong on this wiki. Thanks! StarsandPeacesigns 21:41, June 18, 2012 (UTC)

"Editing Problem Concerning Naming Order"
My sincere apologies for editing concerning the ordering of names. I thought having them switched in standard western order would make them simpler to remember. ^^; I'm so terribly sorry if it did any harm. :o I gurantee you that there'll be no more name-editing from me from this point foward. Again, I'm so sorry for the mishap. ^^; Mijumaru-san 16:31, June 21, 2012 (UTC)

Alright, I should've explained myself about my name-editing, and, it's my fault for failing to do that, and I'm really, really sorry about that. :o Um...All is forgiven, no? ^^; (I think I'm in serious trouble now. >< ) Mijumaru-san 00:35, June 22, 2012 (UTC)

=July messages=

Spam
I think this contibutor is trying to spam: 174.111.249.34. They left a lot of comments on Shiteyan'yo's page saying she is sexy and other inappropriate messages that include that she can "f*ck real nice". StarsandPeacesigns 20:15, July 18, 2012 (UTC)

=September messages=

Question
Do you know how one adds other wikia to the Vocaloid/UTa/BRS/etc interwikia template by any chance?

i'm trying to get the Macne wikia sorted by I've come across a hurdle, in the meantime I've set up time this weekend to set up the voiceroid wikia and I'd like to add them to the template when I'm done. :-) One-Winged Hawk (talk) 15:56, September 18, 2012 (UTC)


 * I thought your response was quicker then I expected. One-Winged Hawk (talk) 19:46, September 18, 2012 (UTC)

=October messages=

About that blacklist problem...
I see that you have undone DZ's edits on the blacklist page. However, we needed to do SOMETHING about the RVC thing. He made a video about it and everyone is hating us for it. As long as that video is still on YT, then we are going to get more vandalism. So um....I just wanted to sort that out. Angel and Un.Sy thought that clearing out some of it was a good idea so.... Everyone is the killer...AND I&#39;M A SUPER MARIO (talk) 01:40, October 2, 2012 (UTC)

Well the issue has kinda cleared up. We have the proof but now we are worried about the blacklist itself.

And plus, the fact that Yamaha might see the video makes me feel a little better....Everyone is the killer...AND I&#39;M A SUPER MARIO (talk) 02:03, October 2, 2012 (UTC)

Re: Hello
Oh, didn't know there was a preview feature. Thanks! Dizzyzebra (talk) 12:28, October 2, 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for helping me with that english genderbend question, Bunai82.

72.13.215.242 14:00, October 14, 2012 (UTC)PandoraAngel

YouTube Song Lists
I went through some of lordxwille's translations on the lists and, I have to say, he made tons of grave mistranslations that awfully destroyed original lyrics. I think it necessary to warn contributors that they shouldn't add translated videos unless they have the full command of Japanese. Non-subbed videos are okay. Damesukekun (talk) 06:03, October 27, 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, the User does admit their grasp of the language is uncertain. I would simply replace the video with a non-sub or a sub that has a better grasp of the lyrics.
 * To completely do away with subs makes it difficult for those who want to know more about the song. Also, much of the listings are people grabbing any upload that is currently available. -- Bunai82 (talk) 06:10, October 27, 2012 (UTC)
 * How do you think about providing a list of unrecommended translators? Damesukekun (talk) 06:26, October 27, 2012 (UTC)
 * Seems like a good idea, if you explain it to the wiki.
 * You can do a trial attempt using the Forums. -- Bunai82 (talk) 07:20, October 27, 2012 (UTC)
 * How do I start a page in the forum? Damesukekun (talk) 12:51, October 27, 2012 (UTC)
 * Weird. I thought I connected the forum in the menu links. I'll update them if you are on Oasis skin.
 * But here is the link to the Forums, and this is the link to Wiki discussions. -- Bunai82 (talk) 17:17, October 27, 2012 (UTC)
 * I started a forum here. Please go through and leave your comment. Damesukekun (talk) 13:32, October 28, 2012 (UTC)

I seem to recall someone raised this concern before and we fixed it at the time (it was something like a year ago and I think was with a different user). I guess this is something that seems to come up every so often. Yeah, I'll agree with dame here. One-Winged Hawk (talk) 09:24, October 27, 2012 (UTC)

So can I go ahead now? I'll start new pages and move the draft writings to the pages. I'll summarize the top half myself. Damesukekun (talk) 13:16, November 8, 2012 (UTC)
 * I'd rather you tell me where you want the page, or the content, located first. So reply to the forum posting. -- Bunai82 (talk) 13:44, November 8, 2012 (UTC)

I'm sorry
Sometimes I think I sound ruder then I intend to be. The fanmades page was always so difficult to maintain, since it was already up and running and had a layout that was hard to break apart and inprove I was always left scratching my head. I think I blew up over the comments on VO because sites like VO themselves are why this page existed to begin with. Its like "You were critising us once again for something none of the current editors were responisble for". I mostly got angry because as I said, I'm to blame for hte page to being sorted and signed off.

I want the Fanloid wikia to have a good solid reason for existing, much like the Macne or Voice roid or BRS wikia. I recently cut down the Macne page and voiceroid page to give their wikias strength to exist indepdant from the Vocaloid wikia. I want the same on Fanloids wikia, so we're not stealing hits from the wikia when its better if that wikia gets those hits since it can build itself to specialise in what it needs to do. Here, we're a Vocaloid-based wikia and we're restricted on whjat we can do.

BTW, I wanted to ask this at the weekend (I forgot) whats happening with the lyrics wikia, you know? One-Winged Hawk (talk) 18:34, October 29, 2012 (UTC)


 * It's not you, it is the 'influence of vo' that bothers me. Especially those who sit back and claim to want to 'inform the masses' with information, but instead use criticism and insults as their main drive. This is what stops people from joining and also leaving it and the fandom, it is the lack of a friendly environment and wanting pass on factual information. And on another note it seems the only people that have issues with Fanmade characters existing are within the English fandom, because this is not a noticeable problem for Japanese and even Spanish fans. However, do the Japanese fans like poking fun at the idea? Yes, this is where you get the Mascots and the UTAU's like Tei Sukone from. But it is never to the level of agitation the English fandom presents.


 * When it comes to reducing or 'retiring' pages that are involved with Fanmades. I figured it would be good to share duplicated information on Vocaloid wiki and Fanloid wiki. It is history that started with Vocaloid 2 and it continues. It can't be erased.


 * We can source/note/reference/and even link pages of proof till the cows-come-home (as the saying goes) there will always be someone out there who doesn't find the information presented on any type of Wiki to be 'correct' or up to their standards. And it will never be that if they don't attempt to contribute to it. If readers feel things are bias, then it can be fixed, but we can't leave out what is widely said about certain voice banks.

-- Bunai82 (talk) 18:56, October 29, 2012 (UTC)


 * I've tried pleasing everyone... It led to the results in May. Lol, I gave, but every so often I do peek at VO forums to see what their whining over what we've done wrong to correct it.  Not like their ever actually going to TELL us what the issue is. Hmph... We appricate it when folsk are kind enough to correct us.  One less critism to deal with in the future every time things are fixed.  Nothings ever going to be perfect, even those guys never dish out perfect advice and information, some those guys give out advice regulaur and few have the guts to admit their wrong at something without arguments.


 * I said to Diz on VO forums via PM that we're doing a lot of VO'ers a favour in the long run. The goal was always to get more people aware of Vocaloid and strip down the layers of bias, particularly the baseless bias a lot of the older pre-2010 crowd were harbouring.  When I joined in lte 2009, people were still jumping in the deep end of the VO pool because they didn't know much about Vocaloid.  All I did was try and centralise things, while trying to make the wikia get noticed so we can get better results here.  Not everything worked, some things failed horribly... Thats the way things go.


 * I'll never understand the issues over Miku design stuff. If I went over every unoriginal character design out there I'd be here all day lisitng them.  So long as its not a LITERAL clone, things are FINE. I'd like to say everything in life is "special unqiue", but reality is everything is base or influenced by something else.  Its the sort of knee-jerk reaction I saw to the 4Kids dub of One Piece.  I came to better understand it with time, don't say it was 'good' because it was still 'crap' and involved a lot of lazy editing and poor translation lines, but this is what tiem and maturity does.


 * Back in 2004, when I was still a beyblade fan, people were trying to mathc up where influences came from to try and understand or sound smart about a subject. In the last 8 years, the nets gone from being a nerd haven to a "everyone cane be on here" place.  I think this is why things have gone the way they have on the internet.


 * Heck, when I first logged onto the net in late 90's, honestly? Just searching to see what came up on google was considered "cool" when you typed in something like "Spice Girls".  Thats what things were like then.  Now its "whats the best website based on this subject". :-/ One-Winged Hawk (talk) 22:03, October 29, 2012 (UTC)


 * I've seen their attempts at a wiki and gathering information; they usually abandon it half way... I don't understand. So I do agree that the Vocaloid wiki should be viewed as making things easier for English fans who want to know Vocaloid. No bragging needed, as this is a community site as well. And you've seriously done so much for this Wiki comparing to how it is now to when it was in 2009 (when I arrived) there wasn't even a page for the English Vocaloids! I just can't forget about that lol.


 * Do they believe the wiki to be taking away their potential members? Or their chance to get in the last word?.
 * I even linked up VO to the front of the page so English fans could have a place to gather together. If they want to boast about being the largest forum for English fans, they really need to present themselves in a more friendly manner. Much of what is on this wiki is what other Vocaloid fansites have... so I don't see how one place can be more inaccurate than the other without the needed research.
 * You can only go so far with Wikipedia, which requires a more serious approach. There is a page for Miku, as she is significant, but their is a notable lack for other voicebanks which are simply mentioned on the product page.


 * XD Is it wrong that I enjoyed BeyWheelz? I found the characters to be the drive of the show, surprisingly.
 * The Internets gots big. -- Bunai82 (talk) 00:57, October 31, 2012 (UTC)

=November messages= so about my piccture, yea i am Really sorry! I felt SO BAD. thank you for deleting that picture!

{VocaloidPony123} 03:12, November 3, 2012 (UTC)Vocaloidpony123

okay i will try to stop. i really just wnt to help. so i will try to things on the to do list. I hope i do not cause anymore problems and try to make Relavant topics.

{VocaloidPony123} 18:02, November 3, 2012 (UTC)Vocaloidpony123

genre category
Oh sorry, I didn't give much explaination, it was a experiment I was doing to see if I could add some more categories to make readers more musically aware. I only did a few Vocaloids to see how it looked and wait for comments back. If no one commented or everyuone was fine I was going to continue in a few days and try and finish up. :-/ One-Winged Hawk (talk) 17:14, November 10, 2012 (UTC)

A Free Wiki
Hi i am kinda upset with you right go just go here.

From anoyed anon 174.111.249.34 16:23, November 13, 2012 (UTC)


 * And my replies are here and here.
 * Have a nice day and I hope you will at least continue stick with Vocaloid out of interest rather than miss out due to this incident. -- Bunai82 (talk) 16:47, November 13, 2012 (UTC)

Sorry i misunderstood i am sorry i get a little annoyed cause to me it looked like you were blocking the anons IP adress cause he was comenting and be somewhat rude but not Totally rude so agin sorry 174.111.249.34 01:34, November 14, 2012 (UTC) P.S. I was gonna leave the wiki A. I was gonna try and work on vocaloid lyrics wiki [] cause it deeds some help. B. I wasnt really doing anything on here but making enemies who probably hate me with how muCh I push that neru has got a voice (Dont you dare try to change my mind on the fact that can ruin by aquantanceship with you). 174.111.249.34 01:34, November 14, 2012 (UTC)

Smith Hioka and Caffein
Do you think it appropriate to list Smith Hioka and Caffein on Vocaloid Illustrators - Notable Mentions? Their fanloids are Crypton's official Miku derivatives.
 * Caffein's page already exists on this Wiki. I'll newly generate Smith Hioka's. Damesukekun (talk) 13:57, November 15, 2012 (UTC)
 * Have they done other things that ties to the official Vocaloids such as music or illustrating them? I am not aware of Smith's other works besides Akita.
 * However, I am aware that Caffein has done some producing. If you want to put them on the page, you can either place them below or above HUKE's entry. -- Bunai82 (talk) 16:09, November 15, 2012 (UTC)

=December messages= Hi there c: just saying i love your work i think its fantastic c: —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tremreins (talk • contribs) 22:50, December 5, 2012. Please sign your posts with ~


 * ^_^;; I am unsure of what your referring to.
 * If it is my work on the wiki by contributing, then thank you. It keeps me occupied. -- Bunai82 (talk) 03:55, December 6, 2012 (UTC)

Here we go AGAIN...
I've lost count how many times VO critises us and I'm caring less and less about it since its becoming a broken record. It feels like we can't do anything new without being critised and honeslty? I'm not about to give in to them.

http://www.vocaloidotaku.net/index.php?/topic/961-things-that-annoy-you-about-vocaloid-fandom/page__st__10575

However, they have expressed a concern here that I had with Dame's recent list and why I ask Dame to not even the best translators make mistakes. What are your thoughts? If VO wasn't go "wah, wah" every few days at things we do, I'm actually correct what they whine over.

However, I'm starting to be a little concerned about how these guys will stretch.One member said not so long ago the whole wikia should be reset and start from scratch... They HAD their chance and now all they do is complain. Biggest hyprocrits on the web... Or at least the Vocaloi fandom. Incidently, I'm tempted to leave the page alone... I'm waiting for one of the members to have the stones to come here and tell us whats wrong, rather then talking about us behind our back.

What do you think about this, I admit I never objected to it being here, despite my own feelings as I'm not about to direct this wikia, I washed my hands of anything like that in May.

But mind you... This is VO... How many times do they speak out and get things wrong... They recon most of our comments are "staff" arguing with commenters. However, most of the time the ones commenting, such as myself, are not staff members and we rarely argue, actually. Hence why, in my opinion, nothing should be done until VO speaks with us... I'm not about to exclude my boycott to go waltzing over there for answers and the admin and other staff members are also involved in the critism, do nothing, and I don't want them to LOOSE critism, never have done. All I was ever concerned with, and why it made me made was I went to VO to escape the wikia, be a fan... Too bad VO is not a place for fans... One-Winged Hawk (talk) 16:26, December 7, 2012 (UTC)


 * I'll just move the page to a forum or main page, that way people will have their say on the matter. If they have an issue with the list then like the intro states, take it up with Damesue, he is capable of expressing himself in both languages and would know more about the list based on his knowledge, he is also on of the few that is able to contact a producer directly. He is signed up to VO, so I am not sure why they are talking like he doesn't exist.


 * I only welcome the list because it is a decent request not to link to videos that have just plain messy translations. Even if you have little knowledge of Japanese wording, you should be able to tell when a translation just "doesn't feel right". What is contradicting is the fact that VO does complain about translation and even dubbers who "get the song wrong because they lost the original meaning due to English". So basically, we will never win favor with this site. I am actually still wondering why they continue to use a source they consider bad for the Western community.


 * I will continue to wait for 'at least one' to make a suggestion or opinion while being on the wiki itself. I only know of three contributors who are on VO and do help out the wiki. But they have yet to actually criticize it, so therefore things won't change unless they do. Anyway, I'll show Dame the post and see if he can sign on to actually have a say in the matter or at least gather suggestions. -- Bunai82 (talk) 19:35, December 7, 2012 (UTC)


 * I had the stones to rewrite wikipedia and help aid this wikia getting to where it was... Why don't they have the stones to just tell us a handful of things to improve the wikia? Its not going to hurt them, we don't bite and every admin/beaucrat would have to punish anyone who did. Sure some things are out of date, but we have lives to led too and even I'm not here 24/7... Though I'm here a lot of the time. Everyone has an idea what they want to do when they come here, so there is a list of things to do all the time.


 * Its like that comment a short while back about "wikia staff just argue in the comment section" or whatever the comment was... The irony was not one member of the conversation thjey quote was a staff member, and we don't often argue. Its just every so often, we get someone who argues. And as for the weaknesses and strengths section, I snigger because a lot of the time, they themselves said the remark. In other words, their actually critising themselves... And they DON'T even know it. Lol, when they critise that section, I'm always left laughing, I've even seen one of the VO members say something about something I got from them, except they apparently forgot they said it! Even had a link on that particular coment to their post... No... I'm not saying where it happened, I'm not so low I'd humiliate a VO member, not even as revenge.


 * Also, will I know not everyone is a fan of the comment section, but if we turn it off we cut communications between editors and visitors and it was opened up to make it easier for VO members to tell us whats wrong. In other words, it removed the excuse for silence and non-productive critism outside of the wikia by giving a place for them to give productive or even non-producted here. Heck... They don't even have to sign up. Plus its also proven useful over time to just use it for stick-it notes I've found...


 * I pleaded with the staff at VO a while before I left to clean up vo forums, as I said, I'm never against critism. But a lot of the time, its not critism, its bias and mudslinging, in other words, their delibrately bad mouthing the wikia for its mistakes to make it look bad because they soul believe its not reliable. Even if their not aware of it, their doing it. Whatever, I think they view us like youtube, because we're not part of the VO fold. Sites like Vocaloidism, Vocaloid-creativty, are part of the fold. We're independant, so its our weakness because we do things differently to what that group wants to do. Apart from us, the only other 'group' is youtube, which they critise because most fans aren't part of the fold (and the number of dumb comments makes things a lot easier). At least, this is how things are in the vocaloid fandom.


 * I'm 28 years old though... I can't be bothered for politics, I want there to be no hassle between sites. I had a similair problem in the One Piece fandom as it was when I was a major editor. Editors should be free to visit other sites and members of those but from experience with wiki-editing, you don't get that chance... People make you outcasts sometimes. :-/ One-Winged Hawk (talk) 20:13, December 7, 2012 (UTC)


 * Now that my mini adventure around the wiki is sort of done.
 * In the beginning when VO was rather small but still popular among the growing fanbase. I liked visiting to read the latest information about any Vocaloid, especially English because there was a huge lack of information for them and people didn't even know English Vocaloid existed. Some still don't believe it (disappointing enough), which is why the Vocaloid wiki is good to have around. But yes, to your first comment, the VO has become a comfortable 'home forum' for the oldbies and while this is good for historical purposes the downside is they never want to venture to other Vocaloid community sources or even accept other sources. They don't have to jump forums, but at least respect that there are other places besides their own.


 * One of these days I should just drop hints the Comments section with a shout-out to any VO readers, that they should criticize and suggest improves by commenting to the wiki directly. However, since I barely check VO anymore, I've grown to not care what is currently happening there, especially with the active rant threads. And while Hentai has show resistance to the VO folds negativity, he had his own say with some pages here, but that was on his own site and even then he could agree with half of what the wiki attempts to explain.
 * Lol, you're a year and half younger than me (it seems). -- Bunai82 (talk) 21:46, December 7, 2012 (UTC)


 * I came here about early-mid 2010, but was stalking and observing it ince late 2009. Ditto for wikipedia.


 * People have the right to critise the wikia, but if your doing it at least check your facts out and get things right otherwise you make the group stupidity happen. And the biggest thing they ALL are missing is that this is a wikia for Vocaloid; a wikia can disverse out and even make tutorials so long as the information on that page are CORRECT and proven to be. I often find the grasp of what a wiki-is is often the biggest single group stupidity that comes from any fandom and VO displays it too often for my own liking. I wish I could crack sense into them, and after May's events I sudenly realised the group stupidity effect in VO is too strong to deal with. :-/


 * Aas for the translation page... I think... Its more of a case of the page can stay but it needs adjusting, making perhaps more neutral. I don't know how Dame could do it, but I don't feel like giving VO forums an inch of ground just to satisfied them. I'm not suggesting resulting to being arogrant or stubborn ourselves, rather trying to make the page so much more useful that their statements become so weak they loose their meaning. I do a lump of research every time VO critises us, this is my response to them... Because its seems to be the best defence against them, it proves we're needed and useful. that no matter what we're here to stay and have a place in the fandom.


 * In other words, what isn't killing the wikia is sort of making it stronger. One-Winged Hawk (talk) 22:36, December 7, 2012 (UTC)
 * I explained my opinion about this issue on the VO topic. I'm a well-known Japanese in VO so I don't think their attack to me/us go worse. Let us just see how it goes. Damesukekun (talk) 05:07, December 8, 2012 (UTC)


 * You explained yourself quite nicely Damesukekun, now I can only hope they will at least read it.
 * But once again they are agitated enough at one page that they talk about making their on wiki... I can't even remember how many times the people on the forum said this, and did nothing in the end. I know of two Wikis started by VO members and still no one does a thing to adopt and update them, there is another wiki created by a contributor on this wiki and they basically just duplicated the information with little change. These wikis are not even on Wikia, they are on completely different wiki space. But I will be interested in seeing how long their recycled enthusiasm last. -- Bunai82 (talk) 06:42, December 8, 2012 (UTC)


 * eta Also, based on Byakuren and Alphonse's replies, I really don't want to be informed of anymore VO rants in the future, they make it clear they just want to vent and not be productive or helpful. If they hate anything on this wiki then they hate it and if they want to help or suggest something then by all means, we are open. They seem to believe we have differences in opinion or are resistant to change, we are not... the point of a wiki is to change until the articles are at stable stage.


 * So yes, it is not necessary to bring such things to my attention. It is a circus act trying to please an invisible audience. If they actually make their own wiki, Good luck to them.


 * People within the same fandom shouldn't be hostile to a point that they don't want to help one another. -- Bunai82 (talk) 08:58, December 8, 2012 (UTC)

I think since they know we noticed the topic, their now expressing a lot of their opinions on us. I'm a afriad the tie between us and VO are weaking, their already weak. Where is the "fanon" they think exists? The Strength/weaknesses came driectly from fans, sometimes not quote for decretion, often from them themselves. The "Miku formula" stuff wasn't what they percieved it to be and they've constantly brought it up as though its a plague... I'm tired of this and want this whole "us Versus them" situation to just stop. But I'm afriad I don't know what to do to keep the peace, all I know is the critism is starting to go above the line they seem to have drawn themselves... I honestly don't know what to do... Back in May I felt like resetting the whole wikia back to what it was when I first joined to prove a point and I'm glad I'm not beaucrat now because this recent round of critism would have tipped me over. We're not youtube and its hard to work with stress and strain. Not to mention n o matter what good edits you do, you always feel like the 'fans' are ungratful.

I think we need to open communications with VO forums admins to talk to them... I don't want to remove their right to critise but if things continue, more and more damage is being dealt to the relationship between our communities, that cannot happen. But how to keep the peace? I feel sorry for guys like Diz who are in the middle of this, its not fair to them because I don't want there to be 'sides' and it certainly feels liek VO is trying to make them. =_= One-Winged Hawk (talk) 09:08, December 8, 2012 (UTC)

Request
I sort of promised the guys at VO I'd write a page on the wikia to say who we are and what we do. I know we've got stuff like this already, so I need to establish what is written up already on the wikia itself before I can begin. One-Winged Hawk (talk) 15:56, December 8, 2012 (UTC)


 * Well, this is interesting, things were cool then Bya entered the conversation and suddenly that topic got locked. Bya didn't like how we "white knighted" when Dame and I were there for different reasons and Adept just joined in because he is also a editor. Diz also joined in just to say that their a editor but have nothing to add to the converation, I got one post in pointing out that VO members were being rude about things andhow we were being deprieved of the chance to settle matters... then thats it... Zippo the topic got locked. Not only that but my post and Diz's got deleted, the one where I had a go at Bya for basically not letting the wikia guys speak out on something...


 * That helps nothing and VO and the wikia still haven't resolved the issues VO was bringing up, I get the impression that VO doesn't want to talk at all or there is something else going on here. A topic that hits 170 pages gets locked because editors spoke up about a matter they went over board on doesn't seem right even for them. :-/ One-Winged Hawk (talk) 16:49, December 8, 2012 (UTC)


 * Oh whatever, why do I bother... VO can go screw itself I'm done with supporting them... One-Winged Hawk (talk) 17:32, December 8, 2012 (UTC)


 * If you are referring to the "About Us" thing, then it is open to edit. I never got around it because of my maintenance tasks.
 * Lol, I am surprised to see a mod do anything, usually I've seen people just go at it with only a thread lock. The postings remain.


 * If people like Aki are still around, then I can at least see some good things about it. She gave some first hand accounts on her work with Avanna, that is really appreciative. The VO should be used to check out latest Vocaloid happenings, but anything else is simply not important for this wiki in terms of information use. -- Bunai82 (talk) 00:44, December 9, 2012 (UTC)


 * We used to be able to use them for a lot more, I hoped the two communites would settle with each other as company and just get along without problems. That hope has long since died and the recent events confirm any attempt to deal with VO relations is almost impossibel without the looney squard of Bya and co disrupting a otherwise serious discussion with pure arogance and dumb-ass shows. These few bad seeds pretty much bring a otherwise pretty decent community down, and makes the forum look bad. Look at things like this, whenevr something comes up, the same few individuals jump in to pu the wikia down. The trouble is, the sensible members who we can talk to without problems and settle matter either are too afriad to get involve, don't care enough to or are later to the party because these guys leapt in. The result is they drown out the other members from talking and any good that comes out of discussing stuff with VO is lost betwen drama caused by a handful of what amounts to trolls.


 * Yeah... Its difficult, tempting to forget a number of them aren't complete asses and there are many a good member, but what else can we do? There always was an air of elitism about vocaloid Otaku forums, but its slowly gotten worst. Youtubers are now filtering into their forum and starting to see what theuir critising, people they've named. Sometimes, for things they said in the past that they have gotten over. Not many reach VO forums, but I've seen a few over time.


 * Honestly... If someone hadn't said "the whole wikia needs resetting" I'd continue to ignore VO at this point and that rude comment still miffs me. That basically insulted everyone who put hours into this wikia and any work they had done. And seriouslty... Whose going to refind all the references, do all the work? I often think a lot of the ones who commonly get things wrong on the wikia, work to a knowledge that is basically 6 months out of date anyway. ^_-


 * But I'm sort of done with my own rants. If VO wants to critise us, it kinda works both ways and they shouldn't then give us reasons to critise.


 * Aki's first hand account was the most useful bit of imformation on the developement of character design we've had yet. Kei's and cryptons were previousy, but it was only around how Miku and co were born and not what else went on behind the scenes. Hearing first hand what Yamaha does, was prob. the single most important snip-bit of information released. :-/ One-Winged Hawk (talk) 23:07, December 9, 2012 (UTC)

Haters gonna hate. Don't overreact to their rants. Let them starve. I myself have been a target of a barrage of criticism from both JP and OS fandoms but I don't care what they say about me as long as it is not true. People know who I am and who we are. I know much more supporters are with me and us. Damesukekun (talk) 23:52, December 9, 2012 (UTC)

One more thing. To avoid criticism, do nothing, say nothing, and be nothing. - Elbert Hubbard

At least there's no one like us who serve as a bridge between English speakers and Japanese speakers. Raise your head. Damesukekun (talk) 00:48, December 10, 2012 (UTC)


 * Your right I guess, but we've lost so much grounds now with the situation at VO.... We don't tend to get this level of arogance from any other community, I do check all the others, it just seems this same group gathered in one place.


 * I must admit though, the "wikia puts too much on the Japanese side of the fandom" comment baffles me. We're against promoting Pocaloid, but not afriad to mention it. Do try and tell people how the other side feel about certain subjects.  But otherwise MOST of the stuff we deal with is JUST trying to get information that is normally out of the hands of those not aware of it.  The language barrier is a bitch to deal with, even though who have learnt Japanese (or any other language now Vocaloid is branching out...), can't nessecary find all the resourches out there even if they understand it.


 * As for taking stick from both sides, wow, I've onlyseen the OS side of things saying that. I think a lot of the time, peoples instincts or egos kick in before they have time to really think things through.  And that language barrier is such a pain to deal with.  But honestly... I'm british, I've had stick from Americans on the net, especially in the earlly 00's JUST for being british, yet they spoke English like I did and had a culutre that is deprieved from mostly europeon origins... So yeah... Haters are gonna hate... Any form of cultural barrier (or otherwise) is often blinds people. :-/ One-Winged Hawk (talk) 10:53, December 10, 2012 (UTC)

Albums
Would it be alright for me to create a category for Vocaloids featured in an album (like how it is with the songs)? And also create a page or at least a navigation template for some record labels, for example BinaryMixx Records, Sony Music Direct or Farm Records, who release "notable" compilation albums? Navigation for albums (and albums in general) is something I think the Wiki could be better at. ~ LaZMMiSY (talk) 01:17, December 8, 2012 (UTC) ~


 * I would need to see what category names would be suggested. Because currently with the album listings being mainly about Miku or Rin, it appears a bit unneeded as of now. But I am not saying no to the idea.
 * For an album directory? and navigation template, could you do a Sandbox preview? -- Bunai82 (talk) 01:27, December 8, 2012 (UTC)


 * The Sandbox for navigation. (BinaryMixx Records and dmARTS are subgroups of Dwango Music entertainment, Inc. Didn't add the albums for dmARTS now)
 * As for the categories, I was thinking of using "Albums featuring (name of Vocaloid)". ~ LaZMMiSY (talk) 02:34, December 8, 2012 (UTC) ~


 * Thank you. The template looks good from what I can tell will happen, I would hope it can be used before it overloads with albums lol.
 * Okay to the category name, just remember to categorize it and such. -- Bunai82 (talk) 02:56, December 8, 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks, I'll start adding those tomorrow. Just wondering, how do I make a template/category? Do I just need to title the page "Template:Nav dwango" or "Category:Albums featuring Kagamine Rin" and that's it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by LaZMMiSY (talk • contribs) 22:10, December 7, 2012. Please sign your posts with ~ ‎


 * Yes. Since Wikia no longer allows you to create a new namespace page by typing in the search bar, you should use the sandbox and just type these and hit preview:
 * and
 * Then again, it might work while you are on the Oasis skin by clicking new page, but since I am on Monobook I do my creations manually. -- Bunai82 (talk) 03:15, December 8, 2012 (UTC)

New Template.
longtimenosee.

Anywho, I've noticed that the Vocaloid Original Songs/English category has another category now. And I noticed the lyrics template changed. (Nice btw.)

So, can you tell me now which category that the songs should be put? ( and show me the template for the lyrics. Soo pretty.)

Hope you can help me back.

User:BackUp:YumiNakamine


 * So this means that from now on, we have to put it in the Original songs/English category ehh? Okay. I get that. So do we have to change the categories first, but don't change the lyrics template because the lyrics template is still in beta test. Like that?


 * And yes, we are all fast workers hahaha. What's a RC? BackUp:YumiNakamine (talk) 13:05, December 14, 2012 (UTC)

You getting anything?
I keep getting a HTTP 500 internal server error every time I edit that page for that piano book. :-/

Even when I try a different browser its the same. One-Winged Hawk (talk) 17:17, December 17, 2012 (UTC)


 * Yes, there is a page error.-- Bunai82 (talk) 17:53, December 17, 2012 (UTC)
 * eta I created a new page, so that should be the solution. -- Bunai82 (talk) 17:58, December 17, 2012 (UTC)


 * Yep, its working now fine. I was able to add information to the page, etc, etc.


 * So yeah, thats all... Until the NEXT bit hits the fan at least. XD One-Winged Hawk (talk) 18:54, December 17, 2012 (UTC)

Character item
I am happy with the changes made ,I still don't see the need to have the append's there, you posibly already now this but as YV2 not having a box art means he is rarely seen as a charater(person) and doesn't have many origanal songs apart from uramanbou ones witch always feacher the 66 art work or some form or rafrance suck as giving him pink hair and gold eyes and from these video have made most of the fan base for him (not al) and jeniraly from these video there are as you would guess many diffrent items suck as lemon ,kappa, fishing rods , have bin thought of as being to do with him but the only ones suggested as being a constant have bin kappa as a pet/friend and Unagi pie (a long biscuit/cookie) as a food he is crasy about suck as kaito loves icecream , Unagi pie is sean as 66's item alot but raley any other VY2. [nico], [art],[art],[a music video] i know these are not great but most the photo i seen have bin on tumbler witch is no longer working for me look it up your self if you can also most of Uramandou's video with him in it have Unagi is them some where (sometimes rappers from them) .Meltingarmymen (talk) 03:19, December 21, 2012 (UTC)


 * As I stated, they are there to keep track of released voice banks.
 * They are also there because if they weren't people would ask about it anyway. I am saving myself the time of creating a question or adding it later if people keep repeating themselves.


 * The links you gave are invalid, as in they are not loading. -- Bunai82 (talk) 04:19, December 21, 2012 (UTC)
 * i posted new working link's its clear that with in the fandom it is sean as an item more then many of the items on the suggested item page

sorry i didn't know the links didn't work here you go fan artfan art fan art random comic in english most of his video's that have VY2 in them Uramanbou's nico if you want i can send much more im just trying to keep it a bit random rather then sending a hole lod of comic or video or anything Meltingarmymen (talk) 18:23, December 26, 2012 (UTC)


 * Thank you
 * I will update the pages when I get the time. -- Bunai82 (talk) 11:02, December 29, 2012 (UTC)

Spam
No it is not cuz i am HAKU YOWANE! —Preceding unsigned comment added by HyperPikachu78 (talk • contribs) 17:50, December 25, 2012‎. Please sign your posts with ~

Album List
I added a new album list template (hopefully that was okay). This is for compilation albums since those usually tend to not link anywhere and makes it easier to add to producer pages. I'm adding it to 164 now, to see how it will look. ~ LaZMMiSY (talk) 18:16, December 30, 2012 (UTC) ~


 * Okay
 * Do you think the header and lines are necessary? -- Bunai82 (talk) 18:26, December 30, 2012 (UTC)


 * No, the header and lines can go. Makes it.... messy, I guess (don't know how else to word it). I'll try to make it look better. ~ LaZMMiSY (talk) 22:12, December 30, 2012 (UTC) ~


 * Sorry about the spam. Never used codes before and didn't really know what I was doing. Those " | " things keep appearing though, and I don't know how to remove them. ~ LaZMMiSY (talk) 01:14, December 31, 2012 (UTC) ~


 * You may have to used the exclamation template throughout template. -- Bunai82 (talk) 01:24, December 31, 2012 (UTC)

Voicebank experiment; Leon
I'm trying to fix a problem that results in some pages like the Kagamine's having a HUGE white gap, but its not working so well... The intention is to get the two side by side with no gaps... Any ideas on how to make it work? Every time I switch templates from monobook to the wikia look, theres something just not quite right... :-/ One-Winged Hawk (talk) 19:47, December 31, 2012 (UTC)