Talk:Kagamine Rin/Len/@comment-2605:E000:2E4D:5000:3848:E43D:E892:FD7D-20180222043136/@comment-53539-20180622213013

@Maniella, Iroha is a touchy subject as the provider is a transgender woman. So she is no longer male. The voice box grew because of him enduring puberty and Iroha can sound strange at times, there are points she doesn't sound any different to the boys, because the tone is very tomboyish, too much at times. ITs a touchy subject because people don't like it when you talk about gender and the voice for this reason. But the root of the issue lays in the voicebox; one thing you can't undo once puberty sets in, its a permanent fixture of the male body, much like the widening of the hips in females. She has likely received training to talk in a more falsetto vocal, which is common as operating to cut the voicebox can be dangerous even with modern technology like laser surgery. So "soft" is a trained vocal.

I will say on the voicebox situation... The voicebox can be prone to infections and if things go wrong you either loose it entirely or you get an infection, which depending on how bad it is can see you be left on liquid diet for the rest of your life. Not pretty... One of my landlady's friend 4 months ago had the world fall apart on her and her partner left, leaving her with two teenages, one still in highschool and the other in college. She slit her throat trying to commit suicide. The damage to both her health and voice is bad and she is on steroids. But she can no longer eat solid food. I've heard a lady at university who had a cancer on her voicebox and had it remove, you loose all control of your voice and only can do one tone, a deep raspy one. I've also met a man with the same issue who tried to talk to us but forgot his talked, he lost his voice completely due to how the cancer went.

The subject also turns up in regards to Otomachi Una, who is the voice of an adult for a 11 year old kid. So... ITs not just the issue of gender its pretty much a issue of representation.

But yes, Len's issue is related to this, his vocal ends up being weaker then Rin's overall as Len's vocal needs manipulation to sound masculine. There is a video fo their provider talking in both vocals and it sounds like Act1 and the English vocals, and pretty much you can't tell at points who she is doing because the range overlaps kick in between the two vocals. So Len, even in his provider's natural voice doesn't sound all that masculine. This makes him out of all 4 vocals within the CV series, the least realistic and often, he has issues with sounding masculine at all, so it means he fails at times to do what he is suppose to do.

@Ihavenoideawhatsoever, better to accept a vocaloids flaws then reject them. If you truly love a vocaloids, you love it despite its flaws and no opinion should change that you love the vocaloids. The reason its better is you can get to the point you deny any weakness at all, pretty much Vocaloid Otaku forums between 2009-2012 was like. Unless it was English vocaloids, but outside of the Kagamines or Miku, it was hard to explain that Vocaloids had weaknesses. Still remember people denying issues with Miki, Kiyoteru and Yuki and how I basically had to say "who am I going to believe, 1 random westerner or the native Japanese speakers on the matter?" to get the point across.

Besides, 2 of my favourite vocaloids, Tonio and Big Al, are very flawed... Nana used to be but her V4 versions one of the better releases (poor Nana is very underrated now compared to her V3 version).

At the end of the day, we've got bad songs getting famous and good Vocaloids not doing much, and bad vocaloids getting famous... Quality doesn't mean much to fans and when they note it they can get fixed on just that and become bias like with the VY's.

@EarthlingnAkumi, yes my third post was saying that.

My first post was saying that there are better then Len, and my second was reality based on my experience as a Beyblade fan. I don't feel the way about certain characters I do now. Now I have no interest even in my favourite Kai, whereas when I was a teenager I was saying "if only he was 4 years old". It basically happens. *shrugs*. There are grown men who fawned over Wilma Flintstone and Betty Rumble.