Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-53539-20180531074332/@comment-53539-20180531193013

I tend to think of the like vocals and even appearances as like a dart board; the more you throw darts at it the more darts land close to each other or where darts before them landed. This is why it's never really been an issue for me.

I tend to think the way Lapis and Merli were done was dangerous grounds as they promoted the image before the vocaloid. With Merli in particular she was meant to be a contrasting vocal to Lapis, but she was picked from a list of possible voice actresses and came dangerously close to be no different from her sister's voice as a result. This is how dangerous putting the image of a vocaloid first can be.

@Lyn, when you look at things, we really don't have too many actual "moe" vocaloids. Tone Rion was also the only intentional one being specifically aimed at the Otaku crowd which is why she is a walk moe trope list. All others like Miku were accident or done to fit in with existing character trends, so any moe was not always on purpose. Their design specs often just ask for "cute", but "cute" is not always instantly "moe" as moe is cute when its sexualised.

Still I agree with what you said at cursedmyth and those 3 qualities should be part of the process of vocaloid development... Sadly there are far less holes to fill in modern vocaloid then there was in 2007 when Miku was released. I mean the Kagamines could do Enka... But now we have Sachiko whose whole idea is "Enka". This is a growing problem for vocaloid and the trends end up mostly demanding the same things.

Internet co cannot do a male vocal because they have to have the right timing for him, as once was said. So these trends are really important to vocaloid and companies try and give fans only what they want based on what they have without leaving the comfort zone. It can be dangerous to produce something like a male vocaloid when things aren't ready for one.

Saying that, there is the old phrase "People don't know what they want until you give it to them"... Meaning they could come up with a vocaloid who does everything what everyone wanted out of the blue that no other vocaloid did before it and it becomes super popular for this reason alone. But back to the dark board... That means getting the bull's eye and that's pretty difficult to do.