Board Thread:Off-Topic Discussion/@comment-53539-20141205121326/@comment-3076833-20141209200834

EmbraceEvil wrote: Serza5 wrote: ^ Bad idea. Out of all the HM moves surf is one of the best as it gives 100 accuracy and 95 power, no side effects but high power with 100 accuracy is well worth it, not to mention the overworld effect. i personally would argue between surf and waterfall. waterfall has flinch, and while surf has more power and can hit both enemies, it  hits your other pokemon too. Waterfall certianly makes for a nice solo alternative to Surf, and I suppose it is a matter of power over after effects. Even then I myself prefer surf because I don't find flinch all that usefull unless you do in fact have a speedy pokemon.