Board Thread:Off-Topic Discussion/@comment-92.3.202.241-20150420160231/@comment-25521131-20150603022234

EmbraceEvil wrote: CursedMyth wrote: EmbraceEvil wrote: CursedMyth wrote: EmbraceEvil wrote: CursedMyth wrote: EmbraceEvil wrote: CursedMyth wrote: EmbraceEvil wrote: CursedMyth wrote: I'm probably going to get hate for this, but mine is probably AVANNA

I personally own AVANNA, in my opinion, that was a bad idea

I don't really "dislike" any Vocaloids at all ( Not to say I don't dislike some particular voicebanks *COUGH*LUKAENGLISHSOFT*COUGH*COUGH*GAG*MIKUENGLISH*COUGH * ) but AVANNA is probably the one I like the least.

I like her concept, and I like many of the ideas behind her, but her voice has a raspy, muffled quality that makes her very difficult to understand, and she has a habit of her consonants being sound loud they drown out her vowel sounds. Her tone of voice is also in a very awkward place where she certainly can't be used for powerful songs, but she's not soft enough to be used for particularly soft songs either, and her tone certainly isn't moderated.

This isn't to say there aren't songs with AVANNA I like, in fact there are a lot of AVANNA songs I like, but the raw results she outputs really rub me the wrong way. Oliver actually has the same problem. From what I know, Engloids shouldn't be judged by their raw vocals. To each their own tho Well with Oliver I feel like it works, since he is specifically made for choir, which his tone of voice is very good for, with AVANNA not being engineered for any particular genre, I feel as though this puts the tone of her voice in a rather awkward spot - although, I can't say I disagree with you on a lot of the other points I brought up. Here's the thing though, there are lots of other English Vocaloids who don't have these qualities, most of the V2 generation English Vocaloids have an ok balance between the volume of their consonants and vowels, and they usually had different tones geared toward specific genres. On top of that, many of the Japanese -> English Vocaloids lack these issues as well.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that since we have a variety of different English vocals with different tones and different purposes for their creation, I don't exactly see why disliking one based on their raw results would be necceassarily unfair. engloids (only applies to native english) shouldn't be judged by their raw results, because they rarely show off their potential/range/so on. Well hopefully the new English scripts will change that in future vocals Oops. i meant to say all vocaloids. all vocaloids shouldn't be judged by their raw vocals. if you don't edit they sound more robotic Well in terms of raw vocals, there shouldn't be anything wrong with comparing the raw vocals of one Vocaloid with another and basing standard based on that :< kind of is. let me put it this way

Vocaloid A: Good raw vocals MQ Quality

Vocaloid B: Bad raw vocals Equal or better Quality than vocal A

Raw vocals are a horrible judge. Well wouldn't the raw vocals determine the overall quality of a Vocaloid? If the raw vocals are bad, that normally makes for a not very good vocal overall. On top of that, you can't really judge a non-raw vocal as everybody has different styles of mixing and tuning. On top of that, as you briefly somewhat mentioned, each Vocaloid have their own strengths and weaknesses, many of which are difficult to judge when they've already been mixed and had their vocals edited. well, vocaloid is an odd product. I don't mean to sound rude, but that's not exactly a convincing argument :/