Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-53539-20130413201158

Not willing to reveal identities...


 * 1) I like Miku and co because they are the original vocaloids.
 * 2) *Poor Miriam, Leon and Lola... Not to mention Kaito and Meiko in some respects as their put behind Miku.
 * 3) I think Engloids suck because their not Japanese;
 * 4) *Well done captain obvious for noting that English vocaloids don't sing Japanese... But the language thing... Thats just...
 * 5) Meiko was not voiced by Meiko Haigō but based on a computer that sounded like her...
 * 6) *This was actually quoted as fact by a good folk at VO forums when I first joined it waaaay back in 2010. It was therefore one of the oldest stupidity within the fandom I know.  For the curious, this is the result of someone mistranslating or misunderstanding what EXACTLY the description and technical information for the V1 series was describing when they were talking about how Meiko's voice was built. This is why I say "don't trust even veteran fans; they make mistakes too, only theirs are often worst as their quoted as fact rather then mistake".
 * 7) But there is more information on the Japanese Vocaloids!
 * 8) *From wikipedia, not a word-for-word quote but a summery of someone's excuse for not really talking about the English vocaloids. I had a go at them for saying this... The English version is still part of the software so popular or not you've GOT to mention it.
 * 9) Teto/Neru/Haku/etc are vocaloids.
 * 10) *SERIOUSLY... Why is this STILL being quoted as FACT. =_=
 * 11) If English Luka's vocal was better more producers would use it.
 * 12) *I've never forgotten when this was quote at VO by someone... I had to sit there and note that most producers were Japanese. Luka herself is sold pretty much within Japan, though sales overseas are known, its a intentional product as per say.  Not only that... But the clue is in the words "Most producers are Japanese'". Even if her English vocal was better, how many could actually use it???  English is not the primary language of Japan and not everyone is familiar with the language.  The language barrier was the biggest asset in V2 for the overseas fandom to grasp.  =_=
 * 13) Lets produce a Japanese vocaloid because English won't sell!
 * 14) *Spoken during the V2 era. These days its proven not even a Japanese vocal will mean a Vocaloid gets popular debunking a lot of this.  Actually this came from a topic some random noob created at VO when they wanted to make their own Vocaloid and asked if fans would help them. The release of English vocals in V3 of Japanese vocaloids has pretty much summed up the problem that makes bilinguals harder.  Yohioloid is only possible because Yohio knowns Japanese... Likewise, Japanese -> versions we're seeing have meant that their providers have had to go learn English.  In short, you just can't say "lets make a Japanese version", you need to find the singer who can do the language... :-/
 * 15) Anything related to the Miku Formula
 * 16) *The Miku Formula was my worst nightmare. A bunch of over-reactive fans, misunderstanding what was going on and ranting/raving without consideration as to what was going on.  To this day, I still get fed up when people bring it up, so very few grasped out attempts and only Bunai and Adept-eX seem to have known what the whole issue was out to achieve.  Furthermore, why did the image of vocaloids get a lot of attention?  The clue is in the title its vocaloid not macotloid!  The whole situation ended up also proving how shallow the entire fandom was and how sensitive to the mere suggestion that any vocaloid may be even borrowing aspects from Miku. I never' finished and gave up.  Remember its this I quit being a beaucrat over because no one would let me finish the damn page.  I was REALLY struggling with it, not in the aspects of research but the fact I needed the time to do it. What should have been a year-long project of slow adjustments ended up a mess. :-/
 * 17) 'No Meiko sang the theme song of Paprika (wash away the blood)!
 * 18) *I'm 'not kidding on the "wash away the blood". This is my most disturbing response to anything anti-engloid.  The pure failure to even handle Meiko was NOT the one used in Paprika, it was Lola. The comment appeared within a few days of my updating the Paprika wikipedia pages to mention Lola's usage.  For two months I actually saw people react to this and use this as the shining example of how imported it is to keep a wikipedia page fairly updated.  This is the first stop in the 5 seconds of research anyone in a fandom does; you need to make sure its pretty solid.  More stupidity is born when the wikipedia page related to your fandom doesn't say what it needs to.  :-/
 * 19) Any langauge bar English is good (spoken by the anti-engloid troll on Vocaloidism, you know who you are).
 * 20) *I've seen an awful lot of anti-engloid stuff, to the point where I once told off someone on VO for saying "this isn't 2009, Engloid fans don't need to defend their interest". Yes we do... This is why.  Idiots like this.  Trolls are expected, but the trouble WITH trolls is the wrong place and a LOT of problems come out.  I've already humiliated this guy but he honestly believes he is right or is just trolling to get a reaction.  :-/
 * 21) Just buy a Vocaloid you like regardless of Language; its your money.
 * 22) *worst advice ever! Seriously, the number of people who end up not being able to use a Vocaloid correctly is high.  At one stage particularly in the V2 era people wee buying J-loids and expecting to be able to produce perfect or near perfect English.  One fan was shocked and upset when I told her (during the days I was on yahoo answers) she had wasted her money and Miki sings only in Japanese.  She didn't know how to tweak it to be English.  An improved version of this old piece of advice; "Buy whatever Vocaloid you want, its your money.  However, be aware of your own capabilities, do your research into the language you are using if not your own and learn how to compose music; otherwise your wasting money.  Its best to buy the vocaloid for your needs".  I was told basically to shut up when I gave this advice though at VO to someone... Nice... Considering the one who gave out the original advice produced a "buyer's guide" which was a unsound advice guide and they didn't like when I was commenting on the flaws within it either. I always presume if your buying Japanese vocaloids you must know what your doing; reality is I've found few who actually do. As I said, since I was the beaucrat of the wiki at the time; their bad advice at VO I will have to deal with later.  And its true... :-/
 * 23) I know more about Japanese language based vocaloids then a native Japanese...
 * 24) *The impression the same guy as the previous note led me to believe when we spoke over PMs about how the wiki was incorrect on the Kiyoteru, Miki and Yuki Kaai s/w sections. I don't know, a nation of native Japanese speakers all commenting on the 3; Versus one non-native who is known to be ah-software bias... Who do I believe...?  Yeah... Your right, lets believe the one non-native guy since he/she CLEARLY knows more about Japanese then the Japanese do!!! Now you know why I never took that guy seriously!  IF Dame or a native Japanese said we've got it wrong, I'd take note and listen a lot more closely. :-D
 * 25) *S/w get a lot of slick from VO... In general... But if we don't have them people think a vocaloid is bad/good based on the text and don't see any good or bad in certain vocaloids.  All S/W do is make things obvious and force us to make sure good and bad things are written about each vocaloid.  There are ones like Sonika who are unbalanced, but without a S/W divide people seem to only feel she is worthless. :-/
 * 26) I love vocaloid their the best anime/band/series...
 * 27) *Stop! Why are people STILL saying this even today!?!? Worst is this is quoted often by people who claim they are big Vocalid fans and yet they barely know what their a fan of!  Its getting better, but its still appearing enough to make me shiver.  @_@

I'll write up more as I remember them all, but I'm sharing some of my experiences of issues that have been told to me at some point. The V2 era was worst for this sort of thing and most of them are indeed old, some still remain. Theres a lot more... As I said I can't remember them all.  