Talk:Yowane Haku/@comment-1050617-20180514003430/@comment-53539-20180514090424

Though CFM classify them as official Derivatives, the pair have owners. The term "Derivative" alone means "they are a variant of Miku's design" in this case. Yamaha themselves don't even acknowledge the pair exists since they only consider official voicebanks Vocaloids and these two are invisible to them.

The issue with the pair getting their own voicebank is this; CFM is currently stuck on a looping circle. They are not making new vocaloids right now, their just constantly updating old ones. See Project if..., which though CMF claims was experimental, earlier indications note this was their next project after the Character Vocal Series. They've since re-written things to say its experimental because people keep asking about it. Long story short, the same thing has happened to CV04, an unplanned additional male vocal for the series (they planned only up to Luka).

The other issue is, this goes against the girls design. Haku is any badly constructed Miku song. She was slapped onto songs to mock producers failed efforts to produce a good song who then whined about their song not getting anywhere. Neru is basically trolls' avatar created to represent upset fans. In short, both represent a form of cyber bullying or just sheer mocking of others. This is not a good thing.

There is also the issue currently of CFM not really wanting to keep Miku alone on Vocaloid. Their English site lists all 6 vocals they handle as "Piapro Characters" and if they could take them off of Vocaloid, they would. Yamaha, however, owns part of Miku, Kagamines, Luka, etc copyright since they licensed them with Yamaha. Any new Vocaloid would be in the same situation in a period wherein CFM is trying to find ways around Yamaha's hold on Vocaloid via things like EVEC. Bare in mind, Yamaha created Kaito and Meiko, meaning this pair CFM have the least hold on.

Also, why this pair? If these two got voicebanks, then the other derivative producers would be peeved to say the least. There would be outcries among their fans for not making a voicebank based on their respective derivative.

Lastly, note that for a number of years now, there has been little merchandise from CFM on the pair. In fact more or least since the plushies came out all has been quiet. CFM aren't endorsing the pair anymore it seems. The Project Diva games are made by SEGA, who add things based on CFM's fandom so still add Haku and Neru based on this. But physical and collectable stuff? This isn't going on, there hasn't been official stuff for ages. CFM don't seem to want to feature the pair anymore and are constantly focused on the 6 vocaloids they control.

I will say that the pair have unoriginal designs and names and would need a slight overhaul to stand out since both are based on Miku's design. As Miku's releases have occurred, Miku's deisgn has updated, whereas the pair have stayed the same since the day they were created with no updates at all. Even still you have some 70-80 or so vocaloids to love that are official and the Japanese market is overcrowded with female vocals. It has gotten to the point wherein the techniques of recording had to change for V4 because in V3 the voices began to sound too similar to each other. If they didn't correct this, then every new vocaloid would continue this trend. But even then, we've got vocals that are not selling as well as the V2 era.

When you focus on the fact that Haku is meant to sound "awful", then why would you buy an "awful" sounding vocaloid when you can own... Say Sachiko? To create Haku's voice they would basically need to create a LQ, off tune or off pitch vocaloid that nobody would want to use professionally as why would you buy a Vocaloid that can't sing against those that can? While Neru would be easier to make, she would face similar problems. There is also the issue of if you gave the pair a voicebank... Well... That voicebank would not ness. sound as a producer expected. Depending on the producer the pair can sound very different at times. This was already encountered with Macne Nana, the UTAU fans didn't like her Vocaloids high pitched voice, despite this was what her original Reason and Garageband vocal was meant to be. When she went into UTAU, she sounded lower pitched. Bare in mind too, the only official UTAU voicebank for Nana was her 2S version and the rest were fan conversions.