Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-25563055-20141024231726/@comment-53539-20160524173652

Round 2...


 * 1) It depends, there i more information on the Japanese version, but individual vocals there is more on the average Engloid then Japanese Vocaloid For example Kokone, there is bsically no Engloid right now with that little amount of information.  There is more information the V1 Engloid trio overall then Kaito and Meiko. Miku my out info most vocaloids because of her cultural impact and large erch number, but this is not a norm for Japanese vocaloids.  You only also have to compare the voicebank section to see the information on each vocaloid.  O better yet; English Phonetics page versus the Japanese Phonetics page.  We've practically got a novel on the English one!
 * 2) Lots of people hate Vocaloid itself more then Engloids... Your point? Everyone knows "hater gonna hate". FNAF new game gets hate...Minecraft gets hate... If its popular someone always tries to belittle it as though their better or cooler then everyone else for liking that thing.  'Tis the rule of the internet. :-/
 * 3) Otaku is not a word swap for "nerd", "geek", etc. You're using it as a loan word from Japanese and are not 100% correctly using it, but there are different words and phrasing, Otaku is just one that has grown in the last year decades.  What you are looing for is "weaboo", not Otaku.  Also, none of this explains how Dex, Daina, Avanna, Daina or Oliver are quite popular... At a time when Engloids are starting to sell more and catch up with their Japanese cousins, this doesn't mean much anymore, the barrier is breaking.
 * 4) Arsloid Bright or Soft or far worst then Ruby, and SF-A2 mikis v4 is not as smooth as the original... The Kagamines were horrible in V2 with reputation, they sold because there were only 3 vocals at the time and no alternatives, they were also a "2 for the price of 1" deal.  The Japanese fans felt Big Al was as versatile as Miku and they adored Prima and Tonio.  Japanese fans often cited the English ones as more realistic because a lot of theirs weren't vocal faithful in V2.  Even now, quite  few aren't.  Ironically, a lot of what Japan was saying contradicted what Western fans were saying; who is right, Japan or the west? Either way, Ruby isn't the worst, a lot of the issue is that her voice isn't robotic, its "odd". If we compare it to Kagamine Len English, it has a bigger vocal range and at least Ruby sounds the gender she is suppose to be... Plus her English capabilities are better then any CFM vocaloid.  If I was to guess her problem, then its likely the lower tone.  Low tone vocals in Vocaloid aren't always good as high, for some reason Vocaloid can't handle them so well, Wat noted this in V2 with Big Al. A lot of his flaws weren't his flaws,but rather it was Vocaloids.  And honestly, a lotof the issues people pull up end up being Vocaloids fault.  Its like when people try to claim Vocaloid has no impact on vocals; actually no, a lot of the time you can have up to 1 entire octave of wrong pitching the and the vocal may have to be corrected for it.  Plus it has a habit of adding nasal to vocals, this was confirmed the case with Ruby.   :-/
 * 5) Yeah, every Japanese vocal in V2-V3 was super successful! There were a lot produced in V3 and they bit into each others sales  Soe were V2 super successful like IA and others didn't fair well at all like Tone Rion.  A lot of producers didn't rush to buy every vocaloid with so many on the market it became overcrowded.  Think about it, despite how crap EVEC was peopel still bought Luka because she was Luka, and not because she was better then VY1v4 (because when it boils down to a vocaloid level, VY1v4 was better).
 * 6) There is far more covers of Japanese cover songs then English... If we're getting to the crunch here, 60% of all Vocaloid songs are based on vocal;; Miku's. In fact in 2010, it was confirmed that 40,000+ original songs had been written for her and 100,000+ existed altogether.  This is ore then double any vocaloid.  On nico video she gets about 800-1,500 uploads a month for her, her next rival Gumi gets 300-500 and Rin the 3rd most popular gets about 100-300.  This may have changed as this is data for 2014, but it won't have changed much since nearly 1/3 of all vids on Nico video are vocaloid related.  Despite what some try and say, this is the most of any type of vid on Nico.  To compare... I think I recall 40% of all youtube videos uploaded daily are Minecraft related.

Okay just some random facts here, the English peaking market is the mot valuable market in the world, hence why Vocaloid really is important to crack it. Did you know, for example, that 1 in every 10 albums sold in the world comes from a British Artist? That 10% of the market, pretty much dedicated to English ore or less. Sounds like not much, but when you consider this is just 1 country, and that this is a global scale where ll 300+ countries may be in the mix... Thats a lot of most English based songs on the market. Now, America likely has a bigger chunk, though I've no idea how big that chunk is... So by the time you start mounting up the % per country, you'll find that an awful lot more albums sell in English then any other language; its very much is the strongest music market in the world.

So its more important to crack the English market then to stay within the Japanese one. There is a lot less Japanese speakers in addition in the world then English ones, both as a second or first language. And an awful lot of buyers don't even know much English because of its popularity.

I'v kind been rooting to get all Vocaloids equally accepted, so I get miffed when people starting having digs at parts of it. Engloids are my close to heart, because I've shared a struggle with them tring to brek down a lot of barriers. For example, the first time I overhauled the wikipedia Vocaloid page (wikipedia undid it! XD Haha, thats not what I mean here, but its true either way), I put a note up about leaving the English vocaloid mostly out. Someone replied "but there is less interest in it" (well more or less like that, can't remember the precise words). But without mentioning them, a huge chunk of the software is missing too.

For example, as stated there is more on the Engloid 1 trio then the Japanese duo, ergo in this case more then 50% of the V1 information becomes missing without talking about them.

I'm also deeply concern equally for the lack of a Spanish vocaloid this generation, there is not one yet out... Uni is suppose to be due soon for Korean but we've got nothing confirmed on that 1 vocal yet...

But things are a LOT better now then 2009 but a lot of fans still at stuck in 2009... :-/