User blog comment:Angel Emfrbl/Giving up on forums/@comment-3076833-20140729183344/@comment-53539-20140730090648

Their getting better, but I think the slow production time is the killer. If errors happen like Sonika's, things end up too far ahead. The time frame impacted Miku English, and will continue to impact the vocals. With a large sample base and a complex language (not the most complex language, there are others), I don't expect Yamaha to crack English for a few more versions of the software, but I don't undervalue what we have.

Sonika is too often pulled up as a representative of English Voclaoid quality, when she is merely one of the two worst V2, Luka's inital released version of her English being overall the worst (they fixed it though so this isn't an issue). Having worked with V1 Lola, I can say she is better then Lola, which makes Sonika not the worst English Vocaloid out. There has been better English vocaloids since Sonika, but Sonika will always be used to push all other English vocaloids down. And I've seen Xey do this nd even I won't even consider praising Sonika too much since I own her.

Before Japanese Vocaloids got good, we had the Kagamines and even Miku was great... Hell... Meiko and Kaito were far from perfect. Even if that version isn't released, at some point there is going to be a stage in development where you have to do bad attempts to get good stuff. In other words, to get a good crop, you have to put down fertilizer. We never got to see what a V2 Spanish Vocaloid would sound like, nor Chinese or Korean... Nor did we hear what the messes were before they were polished. With Japanese and English Vocaloids, unfortantely we did and several got released. :-/

I agree Maika is a HQ Vocaloid, but I expect good quality Vocaloids from Voctrolabs, I won't pretend Maika's quality is godly though and deny she has faults. Xey believes Maika produces better Engish results then english vocals. This is BS because apart from those few english samples, the rest of her phonetic data is still spanish, even if the sounds are right - the samples and the way the data acts isn't correct for english. It may be the most understandable... But she is still at the core Spanish.

I will note, I don't think he is nessecary likely a Vocaloid due to completely their HQ results... Because of Galaco... Who prior to her new NEO release, was known to be not much more then MQ as a vocal. So the issue isn't whether or not he finds a vocal HQ, but his habbit of overstating what these vocals can do. Xey isn't the first, nor will he be the last to be guilty of it, but its still BS to try and pull the wool over everyone's eyes on what something can and can't do. Which even Voctrolabs respectfully didn't do (though Zero-G came close and SBS did try this).

I don't think your white knighting is that bad... I've seen worst. I've had pure white knighting through at me for merely speaking out of place on another forum...

I will say I wish I knew Xey beyond this sort of thing, but I don't, I know him only from reacting to things like this and how he acted here on the wikia (criticize firstly, edit almost never). This can be an issue with the internet, wherein you can only base something on someone based on your experience with them. Its like... In real life... I don't talk much... At all... I'm kinda shy. But ont he net you wouldn't think that. :-/

Generally though, this blog wasn't particularly suppose to be about Xey, I initially just mentioned him and the problem I had at VO. This is about that I'm just giving up on forums because I'm just not getting on with them anymore. I gave the experience up as an example of how things can go wrong with my attempts to talk on forums, because you guys have seen me edit a post several times... On forums, people react sometimes too quickly and jump on you. Also... I find it very hard to talk because the other issue is, on forums you don't have all the fact at your dispose readily to back you up without having to go and them yourself. Its a issue on DA and youtube. You end up without proof of the pie to back up fact, claims and opinions.

This works even against the people responding to you, and the highlight of the issue with arguing "Maika does better English...". :-/