Board Thread:Off-Topic Discussion/@comment-28574980-20180122210610/@comment-53539-20180123190111

There isn't really much controversy... Just the usual bickering among fans who haven't got much knowledge on his voice or a limited amount of songs they tend to know based on the things I've seen over the years. Hormones + teenagers are never good. Saying that, everyone goes through that stage so... I'm just as guilty of being like that some 18 years ago.

If we're talking about any song featuring his Act 1 and Act2 voicebanks, when the Appends were better then there is a issue there calling the song that great. Then there is the jump from the Appends to V4x, being triphones and XSY inclusion and horrible EVEC, though not as horrible as Luka's EVEC. Overall any vocal result without the V4x vocal even if you discount XSY or EVEC is going to be overall better due to the leap in quality.

And that's not mentioning how he isn't a true male voicebank and his voice comes off wrong for a teenager male... pre or post puberty, which leaves him awkward as he is out done in this by any male voiced by a male provider. So... You have this issue too as Fukase, Arsloid, etc, can overall do things better then what Len can do. ITs kinda the trouble with voice acting... You can have these artificial result that isn't true to how things actually is. IF the male provider's vocaloid shares Len's vocal range too... But this isn't the only case as Iroha, Ryuto and even a bunch of UTAU can have similar problems.

But that's the technical side... I can't make any further comments as Len is... Well... My no.1 least favourite vocal. On the passionate side, its what the fans like and that tends not to take any of the technical stuff into account. So this is debatable and varies per fan. But often... I just see a lot of the same songs creep up, even you mention Butterfly on You Right Shoulder which is a fairly common song and the original is now outdone by a large number of more modern songs with just... Better overall quality. I'm not being harsh there by saying that, I'm just noting its kinda the same problem with Daughter of Evil. IT was a good song - in its day. Now... It shows its age.

I tend not to like Len at all and avoid his songs as I can't stand his voice. I just posted because I was adding categories I wanted to drop in the issues with judging a side can be also based on the technical side of things. But at one stage, using most of the other vocaloids in Vocaloid, would have produced a superior result to anything Len or Rin could have produced... So this is awkward.