Talk:Kagamine Rin & Len/@comment-153.92.131.13-20191029011524/@comment-53539-20191029043312

Mostly it amounts to him never sounding quite right, but CFM also edits samples to maintain a certain quality, which can backfire and make them unnatural. To CFM this doesn't bother them. Theonly ones without big interference are Kaito and Meiko vocals but theirnot the same type of vocals as Kagamines and Miku.

I think the only trouble with the effeminate result is that its atypical of that of the young male group. The other young males are Zola Project, VY2, Fukase, Piko, Yohioloid. And Atypicalof that of a child when compared to Yuki or Oliver. The problem is that Vocaloid tries to male Len sound like the provider, and while his recommended range is a little bit more masculine sounding, the moment you start venturing out of the range is when you start getting the more female results.

The best way I can describe this is effect is by referencing another Vocaloid with a similar but different type of result. Sonika. Sonika has issues with clarity except a handful of notes. Then she is suddenly crisp. What this effect is on her vocal is a problem with balancing out her traits, mixing and generally bug repair on her vocal. Go from a C to a B an you go from unclear to clear for example as you dance in and out of her clarity range. Imagine this but instead of your going in and out of gender sounding. The only difference is how big the range impacted is, whereas Sonika is like 3 bars of notes, Lens is more like a dozen. The same impact happens to Ryuto, a vocal who I have used as a demo myself, wherein if you don't stick to Ryuto's recommended range he may not sound like Ryuto.

In the case of Ryuto and Len, there isn't much else to say, its only problematic at all if you want a male vocal thats trying to be realistic, but both these vocals are voice acted.

I think the only difference is between them is perhap because we know CFM alter results, LEn may not be able to pass off as a female vocal either in some respects as some of the feminine traits have been interfered with. In voice acting though, your giving a character a voice from you. Chuckie from Rugrats, Izzy from Digimon, a number of the Simpsons characters who are young boys... Their all female voice actresses playing the role of a young male. There are cases of males doing females (Miss Piggy from Muppets, Goldie Delicious from My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic) but it often doesn't sound right so its rare. Whereas with the females doing young boys, its just because Puberty will destroy the actors vocal.