Talk:Kagamine Rin & Len/@comment-36567199-20190614020537/@comment-53539-20190614104910

Any voicebank can sound good with the right tuning, which is the point a lot of people miss.

To be honest, I'm less of a fan of the Kagamines compared to Miku and with Miku... I just like her "dark" vocal. So from my point of view, things are quite different, but thats to be expected as I'm not a Kagamine fan. Crypton's English vocal could always be better and in general most Japanese struggle with English due to how different it is.

As for being better then Miku... Eh... Crypton Future Media already confirmed that Miku's V4 made some breakthrough in English voices, so all vocals before it just aren't as good as that one on a technical level. Even if it wasn't as good because Rin has 1 vocal with a single tone and Miku has 2 English voicebanks with very different tones... Rin looses out. Because Miku, well, just can do more with her English overall.

But this is the same as comparing Rin for her Japanese, Miku has had just more updates and voicebanks in total so naturally, Rin's going to be worst off. Rin's had 11 voicebanks in total including updates, technically only 3 if you can't originals as Act1 and Act2 are pretty much confirmed precusors to the Append "Power" since all 3 are the same type of voicebank "power". Meanwhile Miku's had 19, as well as currently having a Chinese voicebank. Even her EVEC was superior to the Kagamines. The sad reality is, that Miku outdoes the Kagamine is all but their speciality of "power" voicebanks in every way. Even if that wasn't the case, Miku's vocal is available on Pocket Miku, the VOCALOID Keyboard and the Mobile VOCALOID Editor.

As for comparing Rin to Gumi... Ah... No, Gumi is better overall, just let down by her bugs and glitches. Gumi's a bit different and is better then most of the CFM Vocaloids in terms of English. Its a bit of an argument with the Japanese side, as Gumi's 10 voicebanks don't ness. do much for her and don't tend to open up enough new grounds compared to Rin. And even then, bare in mind that the two "best" Japanese English voicebanks aren't Internet nor Crypton ones. They are Fukase and Macne Nana V4 English, though of those two the latter few will give the day of day to because Nana is not the type of vocal people like. However, because Gumi is more well liked people will often focus on her because she is overall one of the most popular non-CFM vocaloids, one of the "Big 8" and at one stage was even in the top 3 Vocaloids at one stage.

For all of us, dealing with Miku's popularity is ugly, especially when it comes to her non-Japanese vocals as they can be very disappointing. Add that, she is considered their cash cow and gets a lot of attention, its easy for all other fans to want a confirmation bias that their Vocaloid is better over her. The reality is, currently out of the CFM vocaloids, the technical levels of Miku as of V4 means she is the most superior vocal of their lot.

This doesn't mean she is the best singer though, as a good Vocaloid and a good singer are two different things within Vocaloid, and our best singers within the franchise aren't the best Vocaloids, while the best vocaloids aren't the best singers. To which... Rin looses out here to Luka, who is the best overall singer over the CV series, and definately then looses out against to Meiko and Kaito because their professional singer voicebanks.

I will say though, baring in mind both Rin and Miku are both voice aced Vocaloids... So... Your comparing basically a non-realistic vocaloid to another whatever the case may be. And when it comes to languages, because of how one expresses themselves in one language can be different to another, from Japanese to English or vice versa, it is very hard to keep that voice. And honestly...? The CFM Vocaloids currently have the only Vocals whose English and Japanese haven't been given the same tempo and vocal ranges, meaning their English vocals don't match the abilities of their Japanese at all.

Sorry for the wrong response, I've been responding to this situation for a while now and we're used to here a lot of Kagamine fans who want so badly their favs to be the best around. Its never easy to respond to Kagamine fans, because their development over time just has been disappointing. There is no easy way to respond to their fans be it for Rin or Len ones.However, this should not prevent you liking the Kagamines at all and everyone is entitled to love a Vocaloid. There are plenty of fans who do the same and there are non-Vocaloid fans who are fans of synthesizers that are no where near what Vocaloid is, such as the Chipspeech fans. Chipspeech being based on vocal synthisers that most pre-date the 1990s and are really robotic because of it. Everyone is entitled to enjoy something regardless of how good, bad, old, new, etc.