Board Thread:Wiki Discussion/@comment-53539-20130506185212/@comment-53539-20130725104913

Can I just give my 2 cents on the matter.

My experience with the community was only of VO's and its community pretty much couldn't be bothering to improve the wiki pages, so really... I had to just plough in and if they didn't like it, tough, I asked for 4-6 months and they didn't lift a finger. :-/

And this is what the situation the long term editors face. I mean even we don't always get on with each other (me and Bunai have had a few quarrels), but we've had to work with literally no feed back since June/July 2010. Whenever we asked for it, we get little or nothing. Hell... Look at this topic... Its about creating some guidelines to prevent unnecessary pages being created... and while I see a lot of arguments, references to recent conflicts... No one is actually preposing any changes to the original points and rewriting them so their improved. I've seen objections, yeah... But without suggestions to improve things all we're doing is arguing.

The OP isn't a set in stone rules, I'm here explaining I've had enough of adding characters only to turn out their not vocaloids. I explained my own mistakes I made and just proposed some rules so everyone knows where they stand on things.

Unfortunately I didn't see Zunko coming when I proposed them and she was just the first character to be effected by it... Yeah Kamui was the cause of it, mostly because at a time theres a plan being drawn up to permanently tackle the non-Vocaloid stuff she was unwelcomed... but Zunko had to face the new rules and instead of someong saying, "hey look, Zunko's a victim here can I suggest a tweak" it became a "us versus them" situation.

The problem was that Zunko was not yet a vocaloid, at the most we could mention her on is Status and vocaloid3...

I'll state it again, there are 3 basic aims of the wikia;
 * To promote all vocaloids
 * To help improve information
 * To fight bias

Okay word for word this has changed but the 3 core aims have been the same; promote vocaloid, improve information, fight bias... This topic touches two of those 3 goals directly "vocaloid and information".

Even with the past problems, the two new pages I've asked for comply with the propsed rules so you shouldn't have to wait to create them. The thing about rules is they need to be clear and once its established what we can and can't do, there should be no reason to beg or ask in future.

Rules make thing sfair and point people in the right direction so they don't have to ask 1,000+ questions before editing. If their not clear, they need changing, if there is a issue you guys need to make a bigger voice.

At the end of the day, Zunko's only issue was she wasn't yet a vocaloid... For what it was worth arguing about, we hit her goal which we all new she would so it was just a case of 'when' and not 'why' she should get a page. :-/