Forum:Putin-P Series Discussion

A list of solved topics
Just listing out the topics. Completed ones are on strikes.

Unknown.System 09:25, March 15, 2012 (UTC)
 * Code / Layout Problem
 * About Kokoro ni Koe wo (In My Heart, A Voice)
 * Errors
 * Rin/Irina's Pants
 * Theory and speculation
 * Who is 'Human Len' actually?
 * Part 4?
 * McDonald and Miku aren't the antagonists.
 * Continuation of theory and speculation
 * The unexplained contradicting facts must revealed!
 * Confusion
 * Part 3, 4, and data
 * Dog(Len) see in color.
 * Idea to resolve the series. It's Luka?
 * The Vocaloid's headphones.
 * Luka wasn't the antagonist?
 * I'll put everything
 * What exactly is the POINT of the story/series?
 * Placeholder for McD's Hamburgers=Drugs
 * Timeline
 * Why are they here?
 * Answer for the placeholder.
 * How does McDonald TALK?
 * Tashiro
 * Putin-P Series page layout
 * The storyline of my interpretation
 * McDonald and the Cold War (before, during, and after)
 * Kareshii removed

In the process of moving solved topics to the "intepretations" section on the Putin-P Series page. Unknown.System 05:36, March 21, 2012 (UTC)

Misc
Thank you for the page! It's very informative, and I think I got my new favorite series. Ronald's appearance in the series is just irresistible (and scary lol). Esperancia 16:24, August 17, 2011 (UTC)

Code / Layout Problem
... I can't find where the source of the problem is, but now the layout of this page isn't right... :-/ Can anyone help? Unknown.System 09:29, August 24, 2011 (UTC)

...I meant to type "I've fixed it :3" in the edit summary, but idiot me pressed enter in the wrong time-____-. Well anyway. I've fixed it! Hope it's to your liking :) Esperancia 15:49, August 25, 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks! :D Unknown.System 11:25, August 27, 2011 (UTC)

I was wondering about the こころにこえをO (In my heart, a voice O) interpretation. I've watched it several times and I don't think it's about Miku and Rin, but about the man in the video and Luka, when she was younger. After all, it begins with something like "I'd like to tell it to Miku" and it wouldn't really make sense if it was really Miku singing about herself... Moreover the video doesn't show Rin or Miku, except at the beginning. (I've uploaded a translation of this song with this in mind, it may be clearer than my explanations xD; You can look for "Rikastremi kokoro ni koe wo" on YouTube ~!)

Anyway, great job and great page, it really helped me understand what's going on in these series ! \o/ 79.81.162.191 15:54, October 1, 2011 (UTC)Densanki


 * Hmm... You're right... I'm still wondering about the guy's name, with the third song of Part 4, I wonder if the guy's name is Toshiko? :-/


 * Well, things makes more sense if it's the two of them... Thanks for pointing that out! :D Will change later, perhaps... Unknown.System 11:39, October 2, 2011 (UTC)

About Kokoro ni Koe wo (In My Heart, A Voice)
Does anyone know who the girl/boy are? In the screenshot. Somebody changed it to Luka.

THAT'S Luka? :|

I can follow Part 1 & 2 just fine but I'm clueless in Part 3. Unknown.System 12:51, November 26, 2011 (UTC)

Errors
There are errors and statements that contradicts the fact so far. Going through a lot of repairing, and stuff...

Meh, if only I could put this in the front page. Unknown.System 00:27, January 12, 2012 (UTC)


 * Front page wiki or front page this article?
 * If it is about the article, just bold text at the top that a discussion about the page is active and place a link here, or you can make a forum post, I got it back in order. -- Bunai82 (talk) 02:17, January 12, 2012 (UTC)


 * Uh, no. I'm still trying to sort things out; it's just so crowded and... Full-looking.
 * I'll see the forums later... Unknown.System 02:55, January 12, 2012 (UTC)

Rin/Irina's Pants
To a wikia contributor who added the pants thing, at first I agreed; until I realized Vocaloid!Len is wearing the same outfit as Russian-Rin/Irina's-Brother Len. I don't think it's because Rin has no interest in him anymore, I think that after they got into Rin's interior they were wearing their costumes in the Russian Era. Like Gakupo's/Ronald's when there were flashes of him to Russian-Rin/Irina's-Brother Len.

... I'm confusing myself. Removing it for now until I've the costume/uniform all cleared up. == Unknown.System 12:58, January 25, 2012 (UTC)

Theory and speculation
To unknown system and the other, there's many theories that I want to tell to you, but first, I want to told you about the timeline first. - Under the Cherry Trees
 * Rin timeline : Part one

- I'll give you chocolate!

- It's happiness!

- It's the beginning!

Part two

- The magic heresy

- The decisive battle

- Not together

- No need to worry! (00:00 - 03:07) (Saturday)

- Kienai Hitomi

- Mata Aetara (02:43 - 03:18)

- No need to worry! (03:08 - 03:43) (Sunday) - Hand me the rope!
 * Len part : Part 2

- Stealing is the doctrine?

- Mata Aetara (00:00 - 02:42)

- Kienai hitomi

- Mata Aetara (02:34 - 03:18) - Mata Aetara (00:00 - 02:42)
 * Miku part : Part 2

- In the unseen night (Saturday)

- Mata Aetara (03:18 - 04:42)

- Kienai hitomi (Sunday)

Part 3

- Nothing

- For you, For me

- Another side of the Mirror>

- Don't interfere alright? (00:00 - 03:07)

- A place for chat

Part 4

- With the one that I can't see

- Don't interfere, alright? (03:07 - 05:28) I don't understand. owo Unknown.System 11:50, February 17, 2012 (UTC)

No wonder if you didn't get it. If you know the timeline of this story, more easy to resolve all the story in here. Let me tell you from Rin part first. From what I see and analyzing, after Rin bury Ronald and then date with Len, she give the chocolate for unknown reason. Cause Len in 'The day of the decisive battle!' ever said to she that he don't want to be her boyfriend. So it must be he never take the date if she already delete his mind. You know what happen next. After that let's move to the next part.

In 'no need to worry!', she see her mind from the disc that Len steal. It could be happen on saturday. After that she meet Len on the park on 'Kienai Hitomi' then after hand hold, Len hug her. Then she show him books "No need to Worry!". This could be what happen on sunday.

Now for Len part. Len was hearing radio on saturday. Maybe he sent her the video so she could see it with her own eyes. Then after the meeting in 'Kienai Hitomi' you know what happen.

I'm discussing the Putin-P series with other people; and one of them told me that there are misstranslations from the songs due to the fact that they're not native Japanese. Close, but there are some differences. And she said to me that Rin and Len were both arrested (Haven't checked the lyrics yet, my Japanese is limited, but I'll assume for now that both of them did it)

But in Euphoria's I'll Give you Chocolate PV, you can see the calendar, it was 13th of February, she knew it was Valentine, right? (Though I think it's just an excuse).

Didn't the hug scene happen before they hold hands? When Len hugged her, he inserted a USB with Rin's memories in it. That's why right after If We Meet Again were the two flashback songs; Stealing is A Doctrine and No Need to Worry. Rin even said in The Eyes that Don't Vanish that "memories returning, Moscow can be seen" like that.

And another mystery is WHICH memories are erased and WHICH memories are retrieved in WHICH songs. Unknown.System 16:39, February 18, 2012 (UTC)

And this timeline thing is a good idea, I was about to do it after I'm done with Part 3, but I think I'll do it... Tomorrow; maybe. Just the basics, like...

1990 - McDonald set up a branch in Moscow

1991 - The Cold War Ended

199? - Russian Era started

199? - Irina, Luka, Unknown Hawaiian T-Shirt guy became soldiers

199? - Irina found Dog!Len

199? - Scarf accident: Deaths of Irina, Irina's brother, and Dog!Len

199? - Death of Hatsune Miku (Russian Era)

08-31-2007 - Hatsune Miku born;

12-27-2007 - Vocaloid Rin and Len born; (Beginning of the Vocaloid Era)

etc etc Unknown.System 16:45, February 18, 2012 (UTC)

Can you tell me the prove he add it that time? My prove is Len first is sad to himself because he was a dog. In kienai hitomi first draw, Len hug her in the park, so It just no way he put the USB that time. Which hand he use when he give her the memories?

Miku part is the hardest. I'll explain later.

Use a signature please~

He put the USB in Mata Aetara, here look at this. There's a black... Thing, a USB, look at Rin's headphone. And Len still hug her in Kienai Hitomi. Unknown.System 02:24, February 19, 2012 (UTC)

Who is 'Human Len' actually?
I have this Idea after I see 'Stealing is the doctrine', 'No need to worry!', 'So we meet again', and Goodbye to You'.

Let's see this draw from the 'Stealing is the doctrine?'

Human Len using a red scarf. And look at the button carefully.

Now, look at the draw from 'Goodbye to you'

Now, look at the button! It's same like the up, right? But now the scarf are yellow!! Where the red one? Even if this could be Vocaloid!Len, why Luka could there? This could be a proof that scarf that Len was stolen...

Was belong to Human!Len. Or Mcdonald. Or even both of them. But even so, how Len could know that Human!Len was work together with Mcdonald? And how a scarf could become a proof?

Look at the button once more from the picture up there and here. It's different, right? This is the proof that human!Len also using a yellow scarf!

Now, someone ever said that American and Russian was enemy, right? If Russian work to American, you know what happen? It's same like traitor. It could be the case that Human!Len do.

And now, in 'No need to worry!', Rin ever said " I shot my companion (brother)". Does it mean, that human!Len was actually her companion, not her brother? Cause it's too evil to call your brother a companion, even if you backward it. {C If this true, when Gakupo say in 'So we meet again', "You're a liar", could this be meant that Irina ever promised or even swear to call the human!Len, her companion as her brother? Could be Irina mind was distracted by the dog!Len and forget the Human!Len, then Human!Len was join Mcdonald for divert his mine from Irina? Could be Human!Len was jealous to Dog!Len? Could be Dog!Len was also jealous with the Human!Len? Could it be that the both of them was like Irina? And Gakupo in 'Another side of the Mirror>' even call him insect! Could this meant anything?

Sorry, I changed the layout... It was too crowded.

''Now, look at the button! It's same like the up, right? But now the scarf are yellow!! Where the red one ? Even if this could be Vocaloid!Len, why Luka could there? This could be a proof that scarf that Len was stolen...''

The red one... There's a hint of red below the yellow, maybe he wears two scarf. Luka, well, she was involved in the war, she's a soldier. Maybe there was a battle... Or this isn't a scene, just a few 'screenshots' of their lives combined together abstract-like.

''Was belong to Human!Len. Or Mcdonald. Or even both of them. But even so, how Len could know that Human!Len was work together with Mcdonald? And how a scarf could become a proof ?''

Lots of ways, dogs... They have sharp senses. Heheh. Because, if you look at the Stealing is A Doctrine's picture, with lots of Ronald's, it's like... A uniform. One of a kind. Sorta.

What confuses me the most is how Len, a dog, could see in colors (yellow, red). Dogs are supposed to see only in black and white.

 Could be Irina mind was distracted by the dog!Len and forget the Human!Len, then Human!Len was join Mcdonald for divert his mine from Irina? Could be Human!Len was jealous to Dog!Len? Could be Dog!Len was also jealous with the Human!Len? Could it be that the both of them was like Irina ? And Gakupo in 'Another side of the Mirror>' even call him insect! Could this meant anything? 

'' "Once there was a level below a dog" - Gakupo from Another Side of the Mirror. ''

'' That's too specific, but it makes sense... Dog!Len SHOULD dislike him (because he said so hims+elf in Stealing is A Doctrine). And because he killed him. ''

'' So, let me get this straight. Human!Len is Rin's brother. We know Dog!Len loves Rin, "the first person I ever loved" as for the Rin's brother, ... I'm not sure about a 'romantic' relationship. (Heh, incest relationship isn't so weird in the Vocaloid fandom, so it's a possibility), but, yeah, maybe he's forgotten. Jealous, to a  dog . Unknown.System 11:48, February 17, 2012 (UTC) ''

I don't really think Human!Len really "liked" Rin. Not saying he disliked her. In "Musumiwagedou?" He says "Going to that girl! Opponent of a child?" "The childs yellow scarf" So I think he knows he is a traitor and enemy to rin. The fact that in that one image Human!Len is surrounded by Ronald shows a connection between them. I'd say since they have the same yellow scarf, Len as wanting to show proof of him being a traitor, but ended up dying. However, I don't think Rin knew of the scarfs signifigance. In "Kiminisayonara" there is a flashback image of them training as assassins/soldiers, and he is wearing his yellow scarf in full view of Rin. I believe she killed her brother because he shot Doggie Len.

Also, Human!Len is not her "brother." The word "Douhou" (同胞) that she uses in "No need to worry" means companion, bretheren, comrade, NOT actual blood relations. 64.178.133.77 17:14, February 20, 2012 (UTC)NovaBee

The scarf thing makes sense... Wait, Rin saw Len with the yellow scarf on No Need to Worry... When exactly did that happen? Before or after Len was shot? Their deaths are like this:

Dog!Len died first -> Human!Len died -> Rin suicide

So, Len showed Rin the scarf, Human!Len shot him, Rin saw him did it(?) Rin killed him, then Rin killed herself.

Then there needs to be major edits 'cause I think I mentioned "brother" a few times... Unknown.System 12:55, February 21, 2012 (UTC)

Part 4?
Mcdonald is life?

Only from the title 'With the one that I can't see', we even could know that Mcdonald was already death. But why mcdonald could appeared on the song? I'll explain now.

Where are they?

On the beginning of all the song in chapter 4, they all were sleeping right? From the song 'Who is the liar', in the bouboir. In the story, Len run to Rin, but stopped by Gakupo. If Gakupo was awake, Rin that right beside him. He could kill her anytime. So, based the song of 'Who is the liar?', and A place to chat, they were inside the data. It could be happen when Miku was pointing gun to herself, she is gone to sleep and go to her interior. Same thing happen to Rin, Gakupo and Len. It's explain anything. And after Miku meet Mcdonald in the Interior, Len awake with Tashiro record something, not in the interior or data, of course. And maybe, thanks to Miku, if Miku didn't kill Luka, maybe Red!Rin will take over Rin 100%, because Luka duty was to make Irina work with Putin-P again, right? I believe the song will end happy ending because the song 'It's the End!' exist. The End could be mean the end of this story series. What do you think of this? Still many theories in mind, but I just write this first.

Someone posting a long theory in the Putin-P series page. This is the best day of my young 14 year old life.

Alright. I agree with this, being in the "interior", I realized it after I saw the three songs from Part 4 in a row, that they start with a sleeping Miku, Rin, and Len, but a different order. And, yes, there's a USB stuck in Miku and Len's head. They're somehow inside Rin's... Body / interior. I'm just wondering, about Len's costume...

We know how Miku and Len came inside, by the USB. Gakupo has his own way, Rin is... Already inside herself, while McDonald? Well, it's a mystery where he disappeared to in In the Unseen Night. Maybe he's there the whole time (Rin's interior).

I haven't worked Part 4 yet, I'm still working on Part 3; specifically Kimi ni, Watashi ni, and changing the layout of this page...

Here's a random question. Why does Miku care? She said she likes Rin 'a little bit' in Not Together, but that's it. Unknown.System 11:25, February 17, 2012 (UTC)

I forgot to add, why did Rin's skirt changed... From a skirt, to a pair of pants? Unknown.System 13:01, February 17, 2012 (UTC)

Before I answer your question, I want to change what I said up there. After I thinking it more, as you said, maybe Mcdonald was still alive. Miku in song 'In the unseen night' said, "You will disappear, right?", but why? I have a feeling that Mcdonald was go into a data, then because the body was also go to the data, people will think he disappeared. Miku maybe already know this, but she still let him go and got deppresed.

And for Gakupo & Rin, in song 'Another side of the Mirror>', when he fainted, she was there. It could be that she put Ronald memories to him that time, and brought him to her bouboir. And for Rin, she was in bedroom when she was disappeared, and Miku in 'Don't Interfere, alright?' was running to somewhere. Could It be Rin bedroom? And then she bought her to her bourboir? This could make sense.

Now your question. 'Why "Miku" care?'. It could be..

1. Since she want it. Even if she fall in love with Ronald, Ronald isn't teach her to hate Rin.

2. This could be become one of the most important point. It was Miku and Ronald quest. Maybe the quest are, "make irina never work for Putin anymore". That's why when Luka try to make the data, Miku kill her. When in song 'Don't interfere, alright?' she shot Len in the data, and it could seen that Red!Rin was going to kill herself. If she dead, it mean mission was over.

3. It could be Ronald will, cause she will always do what ronald say.

This first. Please see if this theories was right.114.59.110.133 09:10, February 18, 2012 (UTC)

I forgot to tell you this, can you use the signature button after you leave a reply? Just press the button and four ~ will appear, like that.

Disappear doesn't necessarily say "dead". Note, how many McDonald's are there? Lots, right? That's why when Miku said in With the Invisible You "there are lots" it just so happens that the destined one is that Ronald.

Ooh that makes sense. It explains "backup data" when Ronald comes in to the data world, and that backup thingie, Miku inserted it to Gakupo's body. That's where she got the memories(?)

I thought that was Miku? We don't know which bedroom/house she was in. It can be Rin's house, but if you compare it to the one in It's Happiness, it's a bit different.

I find it hard to believe that Ronald cares about Rin; since Rin tried to kill him. Make Irina never work for Putin... That's a good reason, that means Ronald won't have any enemies; since Rin is so fearsome in the Russian Era. I'm sure Miku wants to do anything for her love. Unknown.System 06:12, February 18, 2012 (UTC)

What 'backup data' are you talking about? I didn't get it.

According to 'Who is the Liar?', it's say by Len in chat room, "Bedroom, In Bedroom Maison A". It's can be explained she was in the Maison when she fainted.

Now about your another question... Hm... Can you help me with the illustration? Please look for this..

1. Red!Rin on 'Nayami Muyou' on the first picture.

2. Rin sleeping in the first draw on 'Who's the liar?'

3. Rin disappear in the same song.

4. Len 'wake up' draw on the talk Putin-P series I add

I'm going to tell you now, even I don't know it's true or not. You can see her using a pants when she in russian. In 'Who is the liar?' she was using skirt, then her clothes was fall to anywhere. I don't why, but maybe Miku open her clothes for unknown reason then change the clothes with her Russian again (maybe because the old clothes is cold?) but she change it with the pants. Are Miku already set this? I wonder..

Now back to 'Don't interfere, alright?' She in the second 03:08 - 05:28 on the PV, She was already in the data and said to Len, "Don't interfere, alright?". Then she kill Len that trying to stop the wrong person, that I mean is Red!Rin. After Miku shot him, Red!Rin wants to kill herself. Miku looks happy cause Rin will be survived, maybe. After that, Len wake up in song 'With the one that I can see' and crying, maybe because he think he didn't able to help Rin because miku shot him. This my Idea so far. What do you think?

And I'm 14, too114.59.110.133 09:11, February 18, 2012 (UTC) {C

What could it mean!!??

"Equilibrium don't lose it" so Rin lost her equilibrium of her two sides.

It does, you'll see flashes of Len and the dog. Need to watch Don't Interfere, Alright? again..

Oh yeah, the Who is the Liar, you'll see the shoes right? And the song before that, For You, For Me, you'll see the shoes as well, which I think belong to THAT Rin. (look at the illustration analysis there~) Unknown.System 00:27, February 22, 2012 (UTC)

McDonald and Miku aren't the antagonists.
In reality.

Miku killed Luka -> Rin doesn't work for Putin -> Red!Rin doesn't take over her body 100% -> Ronald who's still in Rin's interior is saved. -> Happy ending

If Miku didn't kill Luka.

Miku didn't kill -> Rin works for Putin -> Red!Rin takes over her body 100% -> Ronald who's still in Rin's interior disappear (because Red!Rin takes over) -> Miku weeps and cries, do drugs, lost her voice, become a failure in the diva world.

It connects with each other. As for Gakupo, Gakupo is NOT Ronald McDonald, it's Rin's brother's, and Rin's brother's worked for McDonald.

Don't understand why Gakupo wants to stop Len for now. And I thought those two are the antagonists :-/ Unknown.System 02:07, February 19, 2012 (UTC)

I surprised that you are forgotten what you have already said. I'll said it once more. Gakupo-have-the-soviet union-on-his head. 141.0.10.144 05:42, February 19, 2012 (UTC)

That's mean he was a creation of Luka to bring Rin back, DEATH OR ALIVE. Cause if she even death, Red!Rin will exchange with Rin soul. That's why Mcdonald was gone into the Rin Interior, and Miku was giving Ronald memories to Gakupo. I have a feeling that Mcdonald was gone into the interior to slow down the Luka process to take control Rin, then Miku was help more with... yeah, you know. Please see this!

And I wish that other people, not just you, also see this to see their idea about this. 141.0.8.57 07:05, February 19, 2012 (UTC)

This makes PERFECT sense! I only noticed the Gakupo mark yesterday so I havent given much thought in to it. Though Gakupo's mark disappeared and its a mystery... Maybe Miku wiped it off or something.

I wish, its hard for people to understand this series... Unless all of the confusions section in this page is cleared to the notes I doubt I'll ever remove the "work in progress" banner. Unknown.System 07:39, February 19, 2012 (UTC)

I don't understand why people are assuming Miku killed Luka. How could she have?? In fact, they have never really interacted. I don't think Miku even mentions her.

I don't think Luka is the "communicator" or whatever. In nanimonaimono she says it's a "Him." I think its that one hawaiian shirt man. Or maybe even Gakupo?64.178.133.77 17:51, February 20, 2012 (UTC)NovaBee

Finally, a new friend! I don't really get your second question. But I wish I could answer your first question.

'Why people assuming Miku was killed Luka? How could she have?'

After I thinking again from your question, It could be there actually two people and the third person that killed Luka. The two people are Miku & Gakupo, and the third person is Mcdonald. Why could I thinking like this? {C}{C The only person that knew where the Russian soldier and the other held was Gakupo. When Miku knows this, she was put USB to Gakupo. Many people think it's was memories, but when I think it more, it was for hacking. Are Miku/ Mcdonald know how to hacking? Who knows? Then Gakupo go back to where the Russian base beheld, then kill them all when inside the basement. It could be Mcdonald done for this part.

What do you think? 141.0.8.235 06:49, February 21, 2012 (UTC)PuMo lovers

New friend! :D

It's a famous interpretation, I guess. I usually go to NND's flying comments or Happy End of the World (best site ever).

To solve a murder case, sometimes you have to figure out why to figure out the suspects. And the reasons to why "someone" would want to kill Luka: That's why I agree to PuMo lovers; more or less. It's a bit vague. Unknown.System 12:46, February 21, 2012 (UTC)
 * She has data / information.
 * She is pure evil.(?) / she's the enemy.
 * She is a threat

I thought Putin would want her killed because she betrayed him by adding a virus to the data.199.216.252.3 18:20, March 2, 2012 (UTC)

I can't be because Luka put the virus, cause Putin was the one that ask Luka to put the virus to Rin. It could be Luka was trying to destroy the virus 114.59.23.189 02:53, March 8, 2012 (UTC)PuMo Lovers

Where does it say that....? Why would he want a virus? Novabee 18:27, March 14, 2012 (UTC)

"One added a virus. Simply say it was the work of America" in kokoro ni koe wo dot. America never put a virus to Irina. It's Russian.

I didn't say that Putin want the virus, but I say that his is the one who put the virus to Irina141.0.9.98 03:43, March 15, 2012 (UTC)PuMo Lovers

Is this topic still on going? Unknown.System 13:50, March 19, 2012 (UTC)

Continuation of theory and speculation
I'm sorry for making the new section because I'm using HP.

Now for Miku part. In count of mata aetara first minutes, she was talking about how alone she is without her parent. Then have a date, and he totally disappeared. Then back to mata aetara, she said, lonely is painful. You know what happen next. Then Miku found the way to go to the data. She saved Gakupo, even if I didn't believe that she was saving him. Then run to somewhere. Maybe to Rin, maybe to bouboir. Then you know what happen next, since we discuss it many time.

And now I believe the USB part. Shouldn't you put all that we discuss to the page? 141.0.10.144 05:36, February 19, 2012 (UTC)

Make as much heading as you want; I'l be making a few myself now that I know there's someone I can discuss with; hope you don't mind.

There's a famous interpretation saying Miku "built" Gakupo, but I guess that's incorrect at this state.

It needs a big cleanup, I'm afraid there are some facts that contradict each other. By the way, can you edit anything in the page? Now that I changed the layout... Unknown.System 11:49, February 19, 2012 (UTC)

I hope I can do it. It just I'm often use a relax word, but it should be standard word, right? But if I could help edit, my free time it's so not many, I'll edit character first about Mcdonald, Miku & Luka. Could you make the title for Luka, please? Cause using hp to make a bold is impossible. 141.0.8.39 01:47, February 20, 2012 (UTC)

I'll add a section for Vocaloid characters. Unknown.System 02:18, February 20, 2012 (UTC)

The unexplained contradicting facts must revealed!
I REVEALED IT! Can't you believe it, i revealed it with my own brain! {C {C Just forget what I write up there and go to the real topic (even this could can't be right).

Negi obssesion : Miku was like negi before like meat. Why is that? This is the best idea that I got so far. It's because Mcdonald. When she fall in love with Mcdonald, maybe Miku find out that Mcdonald was hate vegetable, then she was try eat meat. Or, Mcdonald offer meat to Miku. Even Miku was vegetarian, she try the meat. Because know the taste of meat, she became a gluton. Or, because her tongue didn't get used with meat and other junk food, she eat it almost everytime. Maybe.

Dog eyesight (sorry, forget the title) : This could be easy. Dog!Len maybe already meet human!Len, then human!Len or Irina mention that the scarf was yellow. Or maybe Irina tell dog!Len that mcdonald scarf was yellow. And even if he eyes was negative, he still could different the yellow and red scarf. Yellow will white, and red will dark.

Just like that. I guess. What do you think? 141.0.10.86 06:40, February 20, 2012 (UTC)

Right! I erased the negi thing off the list owo

Even so, it was Len's memories in Stealing is A Doctrine, and he saw Human!Len with the scarf and a bunch of Ronald's. Maybe it's a human error, from Shiuka...

Unless that's what Shiuka and Putin-P wants us to think. Unknown.System 14:37, February 20, 2012 (UTC)

Confusion
Now, if you want, write some confusion that you really want to ask and I'll try to answer it. Maybe I will, too 141.0.10.86 06:46, February 20, 2012 (UTC)

What does "Dancing" signify?64.178.133.77 05:30, February 21, 2012 (UTC)

In which song? 141.0.8.235 06:20, February 21, 2012 (UTC) PuMo Lovers

A couple of them. I think they first mention it in "Let's take a trip" Luka sings something like "Dancing should be done with a tough guy!"

And In "Mienai Kimi to" It is mentioned a few times.Novabee 23:38, February 21, 2012 (UTC)

hm.... For answering your question, it need a time until I can open my laptop to see the Mienai Kimi to lyrics. But for now, based from Let's take a Trip!, it could be mean fighting. 141.0.10.126 05:47, February 23, 2012 (UTC)PuMo Lovers

Yeah, that makes sense! They mentioned dancing in part 1, too, in "Hitori ni shinai de!"

But if if does, then in "Mienai Kimi to" Miku is fighting Ronald??? Or fighting together? Fighting who??Novabee 01:50, March 2, 2012 (UTC)

Maybe Russian? Or that annoying Putin? Fighting for America? Are Putin-P from America? Are Putin-P and Putin are actually enemy? And unknowly twin? 141.0.9.212 15:53, March 3, 2012 (UTC)PuMo Lovers

Is this topic still on going? Unknown.System 13:50, March 19, 2012 (UTC)

Part 3, 4, and data
I have interpretation again. Why Miku got the Ronald memories? Why Putin was there in For you, for me? Why Miku knows a way to get inside the data? Why Miku quit singing? I'll try to answer this.

In Don't interefere, alright?, Miku call Putin the slut. Maybe Miku did something to Putin so she could steal the data to get into the interior. Maybe sex? Never think weird even if I write this. Then when Putin sleep, she steal the data, and when she knows the way to get into the data, and win from Russian. Maybe Miku stop singing not just because she deppresed, but she was also working what Mcdonald told her too. To win from Russian.

It's my interpretation, what do you think? 141.0.10.86 06:58, February 20, 2012 (UTC)

Not sure, I kept on thinking "slut" is just a rude way to call Putin. Even if it's true, how and why did Putin has Ronald McDonald's memories? Unknown.System 14:09, February 20, 2012 (UTC)

If you ask my idea, it's Luka. 141.0.9.142 04:07, February 21, 2012 (UTC) PuMo lovers

Luka possibility look for the enemy weakness & plus. And about their soldier, Rin. Thought Luka look care about Rin in Yet I want to sleep, i think she didn't care at all. 141.0.8.235 06:29, February 21, 2012 (UTC) PuMo lovers

I guess, with the laptop she carries everywhere she may be in the intel division. Or does she care... Luka is a mystery == Unknown.System 12:38, March 8, 2012 (UTC)

Dog(Len) see in color.
"Dogs do see in color, but their perception of color is not the same as it is for people. They cannot distinguish between red, orange, yellow or green. They can see various shades of blue and can differentiate between closely related shades of gray that are not distinguishable to people."

Google, it's just wonderful.

The scarves are red / yellow. Shades of blue, that'd be Russia and the thick snow. Right now I'm looking up Russian dogs, trying to figure out what Len is.

It kinda looks like Laika, (maybe anyone've heard of the first dog to ever go to space? That's laika.) but I'm not sure yet. Unknown.System 14:51, February 20, 2012 (UTC)

That's cool. Keep searching! Just saying, PuMo lovers wasn't a new friend, but a person that write 'theory & speculation', 'who is "human!len actually?' etc. That's mean, you know what i mean. 141.0.9.27 04:04, February 22, 2012 (UTC)PuMo lovers

There has to be some confirmation, on the type of dog...

NovaBee right? (Sign please, without IP address is confusing who's who) Unknown.System 02:40, February 22, 2012 (UTC)

........ No. Not Novabee. Me is me. The person that write 'who is "human!len" actually?' is PuMo lovers, not Novabee. And the problem is I forget my user name & password. 141.0.9.27 04:04, February 22, 2012 (UTC)PuMo lovers

I invited Novabee here, owo I think you can make a backup account if you forget your password... But if it's username I'm not quite sure. Unknown.System 05:52, February 22, 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, I'm NovaBee. Hmm does the type of dog matter, really? They should all see the same, right? I'm thinking its just an error on Putin-P's part. Doesnt offer much to the story if Dog can't see yellow or red or whatever.Novabee 04:53, February 23, 2012 (UTC)

Not exactly, the type of the dog, just to add more info, that's all.

Maybe in the "Putin-P world" dogs could all see in colors, let's go with that. Unknown.System 04:56, February 23, 2012 (UTC)

Idea to resolve the series. It's Luka?
I don't really think if this will work, but it really need coorperation from all of you.

I, maybe, but will, help in confusion for part 2,3, & 4, For Unknown, illustration and the interpretation was really needed from you, Novabee, please check the translation for Luka song. Cause it could be the key to solve the story.

Why? I have two translation of Luka song, and one from Miku that maybe sing about Luka diary. It's said in Kokoro ni Koe wo, she will kill everyone that replace her. In Yet I want to sleep!, she said something about 'betray her' and etc. {C I'll tell again later. 141.0.9.106 04:06, February 23, 2012 (UTC)PuMo Lovers

I'll work on Who is the Liar today, I'm a little dizzy on Part 3, but then again, there are misstranslations on Part 2. Hurr... Unknown.System 04:55, February 23, 2012 (UTC)

That's cool! Keep it up! Let's see if the confusion it's hard or not.

Now back to the explanation. Luka in Yet I want to sleep!, strangely say interwined tongue. If this true, what could this mean? Then back to Let's take a trip!, she said something like, 'arrest me', and something like that.

My point is, Luka could be doing something bad, but she don't want to stop, even until she kill her heart. The prove is, in Let's take a Trip! she said that she don't want to see and meet the unknown hawaian guy. She don't want her heart or feeling, or something like that, to come back to her. She said 'I can't see the face of my comrade!', could it mean, Hawaian guy? And 'betray her' could it mean, she hate Rin?

This my idea about Luka so far. Please see. 141.0.8.210 06:09, February 23, 2012 (UTC)PuMo Lovers

Okay, I'll pull up my Luka song translations...

Okay, it is appearent she is a russian soldier. You can see a soviet mark on her thigh in "Let's take a trip!" She shows up in "Kimi ni sayonara" in a flashback of the Russian era. It appears as though she is watching over them, so perhaps she is the one who trained them to fight.

I'll need to look at the videos again, but I'm thinking maybe she was killed before the events of the series.

Luka trained Irina and Human!Len as soldiers for Putin. Upon their deaths, Rin was remade as a vocaloid who would fight for Putin without question. In "Though I want to sleep!" she mentions betraying someone. Since she works for the Soviets, it would be Putin she betrays. She adds a virus into the program, Irina's heart, the heart that hates fighting. A virus that would be spread through the internet though Putin-P's songs and show people the sad truth about Russia. (In "Nanimonaimono" Miku says "Rin was born to convay the sad event of russia) It seems like Luka was something like Putin's mistress.

In "Let's take a trip!" Luka is not just taking a vacation. "I wouldn't care about time/if it was just a vacation." She knew the assassin was coming for her, so she changed her appearence and ran away, most likely because her betrayal was found out about. But the man chasing her (Hawiian-Shirt) was the boy she grew up with (In "kokoro ni koe wo" and he loved her, so instead of killing her, he asks her to run away with him.

But more on "Let's take a trip." A very interesting point, she says "I was breaking their hearts that seek affection by using drugs" and "Even so, I wanna protect them now/I'm like their parents."

Luka really cared for the children. I don't believe she is a villian, though she did bad things, she tried to make up for it.

I don't have all of "Kokoro ni koe wo." translated, but from the first half, Luka played the radio, which ended up in the hands of Irina and Dog!Len, who might have given it to Irina. A russian site has the song she played, possumably Miku's songs.

She says her past was the same as them, but she couldnt oppose her destiny. Although she was a puppet of Putin, she did nothing about it.

There also seems to be an odd connection between Len and Luka. Both are sort of known for "Running away" but also, in the official lyrics, in "Kagami mukou" after Len beats Gakupo and runs away, it says "Luka's chorus" Which I'm still not sure about!

I hope this helps a little!! Novabee 02:41, March 2, 2012 (UTC)

Thank you!!! Your mind is same like me!! But the confussing part is, if Luka was betray Putin, why did she stilll want to destroy Rin, and make her to became Putin right hand again? Except, Luka didn't did that since the beginning. And in my craziest mind, maybe also the craziest interpretation that I ever write is 'Luka work together with Miku and Mcdonald'. That's why the betrayal part, cause she work together with America. This also my craziest interpretation that I ever write. 'Putin was really a slut'. Luka maybe have done something with him, since the word 'Our interwined tongue' exist. But even so, Luka could be in love with her comrade. And I believe that actually, no kid was death like what I write on the next section.

I'll write again if I remember something important! 114.59.4.167 02:52, March 3, 2012 (UTC)PuMo Lovers

Does she to destroy Rin? Seems like Gakupo was sent to do it, but he is working for the soviets. I don't think she wants to.

That is crazy! Well, Luka needs more loking into for sure, im so excited and frustrated by this!!!Novabee 02:49, March 3, 2012 (UTC)

Novabee, what do you mean by 'That's crazy!'? 114.59.23.189 02:36, March 8, 2012 (UTC)PuMo Lovers

Crazy as in, "this is so damn confusing! I have no idea!" we need to do more looking into Luka if we want to understand the series more. I think she is a key factor.Novabee 18:30, March 14, 2012 (UTC)

Is this topic still on going? Unknown.System 13:51, March 19, 2012 (UTC)

The Vocaloid's headphones.
C:

So there are two Rins in Usotsuki wa Dare (It's not their first appearances, as far as I know). Right now in the page I call them "Rin" / "Irina" and "Red-eyed Rin"

About Red-eyed Rin: About Irina: Hurr. ~.~
 * She first appeared in All Together. Her eyes were all red when she said she hates children. Hitori ni Shinaide's an important song as well. So, from those videos on it gives these facts:
 * Rin has a "split" personality thanks to her "memories"
 * Equillibrium means "the balance between the two Rins who live in Vocaloid!Rin". If the balance is lost, then, ... Goodbye to You happened.
 * She was first physically drawn by Shiuka on Kimi ni, Watshi ni. You can see red shoes there, and in Jama Shinaide ne, you can see her as well.
 * So basically Red-eyed Rin is the evil side of Rin, like, the yandere side of Rin.
 * She thinks she's "Kagamine Rin" (I'm Kagamine Rin, right? But Red-eyed Rin calls her Irina. Though in Goodbye to You she said "Irina and I") though I think she's the "Russian-Vocaloid" side of Rin.
 * Because the equillibrium was lost, (you can see Rin "losing her mind" and eyes started to glow red on The Broken Mirror) she finally could see the "other side" of her. Irina's the good guy.
 * She's wearing the same clothes as Irina from the Russian Era. This gives these facts:
 * She's inside herself, her own data, her own mind. Those clothes they wore, even their faces, their red eyes and freckles, "symbolizes" what they are. As I said, the two sides of Rin.

How did they split their personalities up?

Because of Gakupo, she shot her in the headphones. Now there are two Rins. And it's a bit suspicious, that Miku has that Red-eyed Rin. Well, if I think about it, Miku shot Len with the USB to his headphones and it somehow got them into the data. And when Gakupo shot Rin in the headphones, their personalities just split up into two; equillibrium's lost.

Nya☆

<span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-style: normal; ">I guess, the headphones... It leads to their... Brains or something. Unknown.System 11:19, February 23, 2012 (UTC)

<span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-style: normal; ">It could be. It could be also the separation wasn't Rin and Red!Rin, but Rin and Irina. I know that my explanation is hard, but try to understand. In song 'A Place to chat' Miku says "You could go against the virus and the separation." Could this mean that virus and separation is different? Irina will separated from Rin body and Red!Rin will fusing with Rin? 114.59.23.189 01:42, March 8, 2012 (UTC)PuMo Lovers

Hura hura shite naide ~ Equillibrium don't lose it.

Let me clear this first... Irina is the virus right? Ugh, how many Rins are there in this Putin-P series world... Unknown.System 12:25, March 8, 2012 (UTC)

Really? I thought the virus is Red!Rin. Except like this. Irina was a virus that put into Rin so she could feel free. Maybe her true personality was Red!Rin, but Luka that betray Putin, give the virus because she loves children? Don't know. So hard to explain. Try see this. 141.0.11.29 09:22, March 10, 2012 (UTC)PuMo Lovers

Well, it's hard to say. "Usotsuki wa dare?" is really a good title. Who is the liar??

Well, If Irina is lying, then she is the virus of Red!Rin, who was created as a vocaloid and sent to the web for some reason. There is somethign sort of "villianous" about her, so if Irina was the virus, then she is preventing vocaloid rin from her mission to... I donno, work as an assassin for putin again? After all, vocaloid Rin in "usotsuki wa dare?" says something like "shouldnt you be letting me get back to my job?" (not exactly, something similar though) and calling her a virus. Well, Gakupo also called her a liar, didn't he? or was he calling other Rin a liar? Of was Rin not even sure who Gakupo was calling the liar? (hence her asking "who is the liar?")

If it is the Vocaloid Rin lying, then she is the virus who is trying to destroy Irina. But why? Irina is the human side of Rin, so by destroying her humanity, Vocaloid Rin can go back to killing people? Irina didn't seem that happy with fighting. Or did she?

Need more evidence.

I think the best we can do is look at each line, identify who is speaking, and accosiate with one of two sides: Likes war and dislikes war. This method can also be used to find other information and clues with other mysteries.

But yeah, how many Rins are there??? Let's see, Human Rin (Irina?) Vocaloid Rin (The one we hazve been following through the series) and the vocaloid rin from the interior. Perhaps this is a different vocaloid Rin? Maybe the virus?Novabee 19:03, March 14, 2012 (UTC)

Seriously, what are the lying they talking about? 141.0.9.153 04:10, March 15, 2012 (UTC)PuMo Lovers

We know the one singing right now, from Part 1 to Part 4 is the Vocaloid: Kagamine Rin. (If you see I added something in the trivia. The picture with Rin and that 02 thing from Part 1 is taken from the official picture from Crypton's "announcement of Kagamine Rin's arrival" thus explaining why Len's picture isn't there throughout Part 1.)

And, the timeline. Human Rin / Irina died after the scarf incident; lived in the Russian Era. I'd like to say that Vocaloid Rin is Irina's reincarnation.

And there's another red-eyes Rin. You can see Red-eyes-McDonald shoes Rin in For You, For Me (Miku's room). So overall...
 * Human Rin / Irina (Russian Era. Currently dead)
 * Vocaloid Rin (Vocaloid Era. Who knows what'll happen in the last song)
 * Consist of "two worlds / memories" after the process of being rewritten. Lost the equilibrium after she got shot in Farewell to the Dream:
 * Red!Rin (Yandere side)
 * Irina!Rin (The side with Irina's memories. Gentle. Kinda)
 * Red-eyes-McDonald-shoes Rin (Belongs to Miku apparently...?) Unknown.System 09:02, March 15, 2012 (UTC)

Luka wasn't the antagonist?
Maybe you will confused or surprised when you see this title up there. Maybe not. Forget it. There's many confusing thing about Luka. In Yet I want to sleep, she said : {C 1. 'Awfully, I decided to betray you'. Who does Luka betray in this song? {C 2. 'I'll authorize it!' To who does she authorize it? 3.'Freedom to dream and our interwined tongue'. Doesn't this a sex word? Is there something hidden meaning in this word, or Luka is really doing that to somebody? If this true, but who? {C 4. 'I'll set the people in motion' What does this word mean? 5. 'Store it'. Does she store it to the data? Of course. But what if she not just store it, but she give it to someone that she trust? But who? 141.0.10.21 06:41, February 28, 2012 (UTC)PuMo Lovers

1. Her comrades (I think) which kinda explained the "I can not see the faces of my comrades" later on.

2. The data, Putin wants Luka to "authorize" Rin, so Rin can work for Putin.

3. ... I know nothing of sex word, but, freedom to dream, is, something like, "a world without rules" as in, Luka wants to leave her job?

4. I think it may be a complicated way of making a metaphor... 5. Maybe to Putin?? Unknown.System 10:47, February 28, 2012 (UTC)

Before I answer that, I want to add another topic. From Kokoro ni koe wo dot : 1. 'I like to tell Miku'. Doesn't this mean Luka know Miku? How and why? And what Luka want to tell to Miku? {C 2. 'I believe I overtook him'. Who does Luka overtook? Mcdonald? {C 3. 'One added a virus'. What virus? Red-eyed Rin? {C 4. 'Simply say it was the work of the America' This mean, not America that put the virus? Could it be Russian? {C 5. 'The death of these children, I believe it was a falsehood that simply propagated'. Does this mean that actually there's no child that die? 6. 'And it had come to kill you'. Who Luka want to kill? 7. 'He was the first man who I suspected' Who is 'he' that she suspected? 8. 'I will assassinate whoever replaces me!' Who is the one that Luka want to assassinate? 9. 'From here, you can trace my way to happiness. She surely understand'. What trace that Luka want to give to someone? Who is she that she talking about? 141.0.11.74 02:04, February 29, 2012 (UTC)PuMo Lovers

Gah, my memory's so fuzzy on Part 3. I've only seen those songs in Part 3 once or twice... While I've seen the other parts lots of times. ==

Before I answer / respond, I better watch those songs again to make sure... And, add some important words for A Place to Chat (too much words there) and Part 4. Unknown.System 13:39, February 29, 2012 (UTC)

Kokoro ni koe woO.... It's in the boy's point of view, isnt it?? >:--I Hawiian Shirt!!

Like, at first I thought it might be luka, but it makes more sense if it is HSG.He came to kill Luka, he'll assassinate whoever replaces him (to do the job)

But I don't have this one translated... so I'll get back to this later!Novabee 05:25, March 2, 2012 (UTC)

It's from HTSG? I thought it's from MIku... Isn't it a bit weird that Miku is singing someone else's POV? Then again, the Putin-P Series, it kinda tells in... First person, right? Unknown.System 05:56, March 2, 2012 (UTC)

Why would Miku say "I'd like to tell Miku" to herself?

Vocaloid's job is to convey people's emotions (as said in "kimi ni, watashi ni") There is the theory that Miku has a different uploader, maybe its HTSG. ;-;

I need to look at my "kimi ni, watashi ni" translation because she talks about her uploader...

Not to mention HTSG is NOT based on a vocaloid. Only vocaloids have songs, because they're the only ones who can sing. Other characters need voice clips, but HTSG doesnt have anything, let alone enough for a whole song.199.216.252.3 18:15, March 2, 2012 (UTC)

Maybe Miku uploader was Luka? And, are you Matamunedin or Maxxspin? Or none of them?114.59.4.167 02:47, March 3, 2012 (UTC)PuMo Lovers

woahh that would work too... Maybe both of them? Miku mentioned her current uploader and her previous one.

I'm neither~ But my Japanese friend and I have been making our own translations! I'm sort of almost done uploading part one, so I'll be posting it as soon as I have all the subs up!! I'm working on them as we speak DX but it's hardd and tedious.......Novabee 02:58, March 3, 2012 (UTC)

I only could help you with my interpretation. So, here's why I think there actually no kids that death. In song 'Kokoro ni Koe wo dot' it say : {C "The death of these children, I believe it was a falsehood that was simply propagated". Falsehood mean a lie. Propagated it's like spread it out. So it's was a lie that spreaded out. Except, HTSD wasn't know this since the beginning. 141.0.8.60 12:24, March 3, 2012 (UTC)PuMo Lovers

That is a big clue indeed. I also leads me to believe that they were not killed. Perhaps they weren't "killed" because they are living now as vocaloids?Novabee 19:06, March 14, 2012 (UTC)

Is this topic still on going? Unknown.System 13:52, March 19, 2012 (UTC)

I'll put everything
Let's see what I got. {C Mcdonald. I'm still confused about him. If you see more, in Novabee 'Mienai Kimi to' translation, it say 'With the piece of you' and 'This piece has a same scent as you'. So Mcdonald is really already dead? Since he was only a piece. And Miku try to regain his memory again? I wonder..

Then, in some song that shown Rin interior, Len get shot, Rin and Miku was killed herself (?). Why killing inside the interior could become important? Maybe not, but my theories was like this. 'When they get killed inside the interior, they 'Red/Russian' will death'. But this only a theory. Many people didn't know why Miku kill herself.

The biggest question that really need to answer is, "are Putin really the antagonist?"

Sign please.

I dont think they're dead, 'cause, just which part makes a character die? There's a possibility Rin might be dead, in the last song. All I know is, Len is still alive. Miku, maybe. Putin-P did say they left Rin's interrior. Unknown.System 03:05, March 6, 2012 (UTC)

Putin say that? Does that mean Rin and Mcdonald has a possibility that they will out from the interior too? I always confused why people think she killed herself. Doesn't it Red eyed Rin that do that. Len was die in the interior. The question is, is it true that Red!Rin killed herself only because of that? 141.0.8.144 07:01, March 7, 2012 (UTC)PuMo Lovers

Uh, Putin-P said that; not Putin (lol) not sure, but those two left, Ronald... Who knows... If he died he wouldn't be outside the interior with Tashiro recording everything.

I'm still confused who Red!Rin is because I think Red!Rin is just Rin with red eyes. (Sorting out Don't Interfere's illustration analysis here) Unknown.System 07:04, March 7, 2012 (UTC)

Out of topic, now I really sure that Mcdonald was hollow! Not hollow maybe, but data. He was out from Rin interior, meet Miku. His body couldn't hold on because he is a data. That's why he dissappear. He was inside the data. Why I was think he was the virus? 141.0.11.30 18:17, March 10, 2012 (UTC)PuMo Lovers

If you see In the Unseen Night, you can see Miku actually touching McDonald, I mean, his chest. Not to mention he could "hold a gun" on It's Happiness! so I think he really is solid... Human. Clown. Not sure how he got into the data; Miku, Rin, and Len could do it because they're Vocaloids, but McDonald in the interior... Unknown.System 04:26, March 13, 2012 (UTC)

But I still sure that Mcdonald was actually a data that have a body. Became a data doesn't mean that he can't be touched, right? And maybe the reason why Mcdonald was still alive when he was buried alive in Under the sakura tree song, it because he was a data. And one more thing, why Miku in part 3 was called "Nothing"? She was nothing because no Mcdonald, or she was nothing since the beginning? 141.0.9.147 16:47, March 13, 2012 (UTC)PuMo Lovers

A data that has a body, that means, basically a robot/android/Vocaloid? Non-Vocaloid characters can't talk but now that I think about it, Ronald CAN talk... Somehow, I'll make another topic because I want to focus on this one.

She was nothing because there's no McDonald, she went all depressed-jazz mode until Don't Interfere, Alright?. Unknown.System 08:57, March 15, 2012 (UTC)

What exactly is the POINT of the story/series?
Realized this when sorting out the FAQ. Every story should have an objective or something; Cinderella's goal in her story is to find her prince, Little Red Riding Hood's goal in her story is to deliver food to her grandma, what's the goal / point in this? To just, fight? Unknown.System 14:54, March 7, 2012 (UTC)

I don't know. But if we see their goal one by one, maybe we can find something.

Rin : Not work for Russian / to be always with Len.

Len : To regain Rin memory / to help Rin from her suffer.

Miku : Only Mcdonald, and Mcdonald.. But it could be something else.. Why does she want to help Rin (thought I think she didn't care), but then she shot Len? Or the one who shot Len is actually Mcdonald? Miku is confusing for sure..

Mcdonald : Fight for American. Even if he manipulated. And maybe, also Miku. Thought it's still confusing about this and can't explain it. Are Mcdonald only using Miku, thought he know that Miku love her from heart? Thought this quite impossible.

Gakupo : For doing the separation, like it seen at Broken mirror that he stop Len approaching Rin. Desrtroy Len and Rin (?)

Luka : Help the children, including Rin, maybe. Destroy the virus (?)

HTSG : Destroy, then help Luka. It could be more.

Tashiro : Record everything. But to who? Luka? Mcdonald? Putin?

Abe : Rapist someone. interpretation is wide open.

Is it all? I still can't point out anything. What do you think the point of the story when you see this? Hope this help a little. 114.59.23.189 02:18, March 8, 2012 (UTC)PuMo Lovers

So the point is different for each character... But they all somehow connect with each other in some sort of way. Right... WHO Tashiro is recording for, we don't know for sure, that's something to think about... Unknown.System 12:24, March 8, 2012 (UTC)

I think i found it! Don't know for sure. But maybe, they goal is..

They want freedom.

Rin want to free from Russian. Len, maybe freedom to see Rin everytime? Miku want a freedom to meet Mcdonald. Luka was freedom when she betray Putin. Gakupo, don't know. But if this true, please put this. 141.0.11.29 09:29, March 10, 2012 (UTC)PuMo Lovers

But it could be the Putin itself. 141.0.11.30 18:20, March 10, 2012 (UTC)PuMo Lovers

Freedom... At least there's something they have in common. But, then again, look at the title.

"Putin-P Series"

Putin-P even confirmed it himself that the name of the series is "Putin-P Series". Why did he name it that? Because Putin-P, the uploader is...? Unknown.System 11:53, March 11, 2012 (UTC)

Still didn't common? If that true, I still didn't found the another. Let me think it more.

And I would like to answer your question with a question. Why the uploader since the beginning name itself "Putin-P"? All the name has a meaning, so is "Putin-P". If we could solve this, it would be far more easy to understand the series. I guess. And if you realized, in 'other' playlist in Putin-p page, there some song that was related, but not 100% with the series. Maybe there something that could help us understand easier.

Two question. 1. Why don't we ask something to Putin-P like Mothy? 2. Seriously, where is Novabee? It will be easier to understand the series with his help. 141.0.10.214 17:03, March 12, 2012 (UTC)PuMo Lovers

I listen to them, but not all. I think of them as "cameos" and not exactly related... For example, The Twisted Emperror. You can see Rin as the pres and Miku with a McDonald doll.

1. If you want to ask, Putin-P can speak English just fine; I saw him talk English with someone... Problem is, what to ask...? ^^"

2. Not sure, I have her DeviantArt account though... Unknown.System 11:13, March 14, 2012 (UTC)

1. Well, if you ask, the first think I'm going to ask is.. Why does he name itself "Putin-P"? Then, what is the point of the story? But the question is, in which website that could make us talk with him?

2. It's okay! I want to see her deviantart! Maybe I could message her! 141.0.9.183 15:30, March 14, 2012 (UTC)PuMo Lovers

1. There's already some kind of rule to that in the Vocaloid fandom. P names are earned by the fans, by that I mean, the fans decide Putin-P's P name. (You can't pick a P name for yourself because people will think you're selfish). And I'm sure the audience pick the name Putin-P because... Putin is a really... Something character. I'm sure after the P name Putin-P named the series Putin-P Series. The point of the story is... Yeah, that's a good question, I guess. I once went to his blog and commented, he replied pretty fast in a blog fast (I commented in Japanese) but you can visit his twitter, that's easier. Check Putin-P 's page. A mention'll do just fine, or direct message.

2. Guess her DeviantArt name... It's... Novabee.deviantart.com.

Feel free to stalk her there.

Remember.

This conversation never happened. Unknown.System 15:53, March 14, 2012 (UTC)

... Oops, sorry, it's this one. Unknown.System 15:59, March 14, 2012 (UTC)

Placeholder for McD's Hamburgers=Drugs
[Just a place holder because I'm starting to doubt this]

Due to the cold war between America and Russia not too long after World War 2; McDonald was unable to set up branches in Russia until the cold war was over. There's no definite date on when the Russian Era happened; one interpretation points out that it happens around the 1990s. Oddly at the same time; the very first McDonald branch was first set up in Moscow, Russia on 1990. So the Russian Era happened in 1990, not before it (at least, the event with Dog!Len, Irina, and her brother).

In The Eyes that Don't Vanish when Rin said "memories returning, Russia can be seen" the famous Moscow Cremlin can be seen, meaning Rin's base / house / battlefield was in Moscow.

Now, as seen in Stealing is A Doctrine? Ronald can be seen with the yellow scarf; while Rin's brother can be seen with a red scarf. It all connects with each other.

McDonald's restaurant first set up in 1990 in Moscow. -> Rin's memories shows the Moscow Cremlin; meaning she fought / has been to Moscow -> Rin's brother, as seen with many Ronalds are there.

From here, these facts can be somehow confirmed. Rin's brother is in the opposite side, Rin's brother is the enemy (a traitor?) because he was Ronald's ally. A famous interpretation is where Len (dog) steals the "yellow scarf" in Stealing is A Doctrine?. Rin's brother killed Len (because he wanted to erase his tracks so that Rin won't know), though Rin had seen the yellow scarf already before he killed Len.
 * Rin's base is somewhere in Moscow.
 * Rin's brother is somehow related to McDonald's, and the first 'McDonald's' base is in Moscow. Meaning, he too work in Moscow. Meaning, he is a "traitor".
 * America is the enemy = McDonald is the enemy (As said in Goodbye to You)
 * The Russian Era did NOT happen during the Cold War (though Vladimir Putin did join the Cold War as a soldier). Then, it's unknown which war Rin took place. It doesn't necessarily mean it has to be a war, a rebellion could fit the storyline as well.

The international law states that children under the age of 18 are not allowed to participate in wars; in fact some children are given drugs to join the war. It's unclear whether the war Irina was in had "children" during the time, though how Ronald being a drug dealer during both eras shows no coincidence. Another intepretation can be born from this.

Rin called Ronald (the drug dealer) on the phone (In Let's Dream), this was their conversation together. So, hamburgers are / represents drugs?&nbsp "Hello, this is Ronald. Hnn.. As much as 4 hamburgers, I think."

Why did McDonald's set up a branch in Russia? In reality it was because McDonald's was suffering an economical peril during the late 1990s. But in the series, Ronald is a drug dealer.

<p style="text-align: center;">Which could mean McDonald's = a place to sell drugs.

"Children were fooled" Rin said in Part 1, (with McDonald's happy meals?). Fooled, to Ronald's trap on being turned into children soldiers(?).

Bottom line; the story so far formed by these interpretation is:

Rin is one of the children soldiers involved in a war / rebellion, to fight for Putin's sake in Moscow, Russia. She was trained somehow and became machine gun of purity, she really wanted to escape the cold world though she couldn't. Then, she met Len (dog) and became fond of him.

In the other side of the story, Rin's brother works for McDonald's fooling children, distributing drugs (happy meals?). Rin doesn't know this, being one of the children who were drugged and sent to the war. Though one day, Len stole Ronald's yellow scarf, a uniform. Before Rin's brother killed Len (because he can't let Rin know he'd been fooling children), Rin had seen the yellow scarf already. Outraged, she decided to kill her brother, and herself.

How does Luka, Miku, and Unknown Hawaiian T-Shirt guy fit in the storyline? Miku is an idol in both eras (as said in Nothing), Luka and Unknown Hawaiian T-Shirt guy are soldiers; (working along side Rin?) and Luka took pity on Rin.

Interpretations are still widely open. Unknown.System 15:07, March 7, 2012 (UTC)

Timeline
Complaints go here. I'm confident about Part 1, and 2, but I'm at doubt on Part 3 and 4. I think Ronald came to Rins' interior In the Unseen Night, but, uh... :-/

Well, I tried cleaning up the page as well. Hopefully, it's not too crowded anymore. Unknown.System 13:23, March 8, 2012 (UTC)

Why are they here?
I don't think they're random. Are they? Unknown.System 06:07, March 10, 2012 (UTC)

For the unknown girl in Luka song, I still can't answer it because I don't know which lyrics when she appear. For 4 draw in Rin song. It could be that she remember her past. When she became an Idol, the SECOM officer asking if she want protected or not. The second guy will appear again in The broken Mirror song. "Octopus in a miniskirt". Maybe he said that actually? The third, maybe she ever want to do something with him141.0.11.23 05:03, March 13, 2012 (UTC)PuMo Lovers

And in 4, she maybe tell to him something that she ever said and regret it. And he tell her that word. Just this. 141.0.9.147 16:52, March 13, 2012 (UTC)PuMo Lovers

She didn't appear in any lyrics, she's just... There.

When she became an idol? That's around Part 3 right?

Ah, Tashiro? He didn't appear in The Broken Mirror... He appeared in With the Invisible You... Unknown.System 11:11, March 14, 2012 (UTC)

The draw number 2 in Farewell to my dream wasn't Tashiro. Even the model hair is different! In the broken mirror, you can hear the voice of this unknown man in The Broken Mirror. 141.0.9.183 15:23, March 14, 2012 (UTC)PuMo Lovers

Knowing who's who is making me a bit confused... Do you mean the one before Gakupo's LaLaLaLa Happy? (If I'm not mistaken that person said "wow it's getting intense here") or something like that. Unknown.System 15:45, March 14, 2012 (UTC)

Yup. That one.

And for the Secom, I believe it happened before part 3 begin. 141.0.9.32 04:26, March 15, 2012 (UTC)PuMo Lovers

Really? ''Murderer! ''is it? I'm having a hard time trying to figure out what's "random/weird" with reality in this Putin-P world. Unknown.System 08:55, March 15, 2012 (UTC)

Answer for the placeholder.
Seriously, why people think mcdonald was a drug dealer when Russian era? "The children were fooled" doesn't directly mean that Mcdonald was did that. It could be Putin itself, right? And anyway, why Mcdonald was so nice to help his enemy Russian selling drug to child and make it russian army? Except he make them to become to American army. "The children that look affection by drug". Doesn't this mean that the children, included Irina and human!Len was know he is drug seller and buy it from him?

Then, in the fanmade PV of Stealing is a doctrine? it was shown that Rin was the one who were shot by the human!Len, not dog!Len. Since the beginning, it never shown who is human!Len shot, right? And why red scarf have something to do with a traitor? Just this. 141.0.10.214 17:26, March 12, 2012 (UTC)PuMo Lovers

I think McDonald is the drug dealer because McDonald's been there since 1950s (even though it set up a branch in Russia McDonald's been in 1970). And since he distributed drugs in the present right now; why not that time?

Even if they drug those children; it's still considered the enemy (companion, traitor).

I don't trust Painter Bricohe's PV very much to be honest, I'll watch them later... Unknown.System 04:59, March 13, 2012 (UTC)

Well, it's fine if you didn't think the PV was true. But try to think it. Why does human!Len killed dog!Len for only a reason that can't be explain (stealing scarf, a proof)? But if he was killing Irina, it could make a perfect sense. Irina position was dangerous for American, including Mcdonald. If Irina was the one that was killed by human!Len, in So we meet Again song, no wonder if she surprised when see him. And why American since the beginning was the enemy? Just because of drugs?141.0.9.147 16:38, March 13, 2012 (UTC)PuMo Lovers

I always think human!Len wants to kill dog!Len because Dog!Len carried the "evidence" (that scarf thing). If you see the Putin-P Part 2 album crossfade, you can see human!Len in a big of a panic when dog!Len stole the scarf.

Even in Goodbye to You it says that "The enemy, America." and it's natural for Russia to be rivals with America thanks to the Cold War. (But I read that thanks to the truce between America and Russia, McDonald made it's first branch there)

Speaking of interpretations... Have you seen Mochoko's Part 1 doujinshi? I can give you the link. The interpretation's quite interesting. But I'm still reading the beginning... Kinda humorous. Unknown.System 11:09, March 14, 2012 (UTC)

Putin-P part 2 album crossfade? The one that has Miku and Mcdonald draw?

Let me see the link for the doujinshi. For me, no wonder if she know the story line because she also helping to make the PV. But if Shiuka.. Does she draw that because his own will or The uploader Putin-P itself? Like negi, mcdonald feet, tashiro & etc 141.0.9.183 15:20, March 14, 2012 (UTC)PuMo Lovers

Yep, it's there. I just love Putin-P's crossfades... Just, bizarre.

Do you have a pixiv account? It's over here. You can't open it unless you make an account though. By the way, Mochoko's doujinshi was sold, but to celebrate Putin-P's series anniversary she uploaded it to her pixiv account.

I think Putin-P told her what to do... I'm pretty sure Shiuka knows just as much as Putin-P...

Wait, does that mean Shiuka is related in the series as well? o_o Unknown.System 15:48, March 14, 2012 (UTC)

I don't think that he related to the story, but should we ask him to make doujinshi like Mochoko? 141.0.8.169 04:05, March 16, 2012 (UTC)PuMo Lovers

And I not really want go to your blog user, so I write it here. Feel free to delete this anytime.

Unknown, can I make Putin-P to be a "Legendary Kamui master"? 141.0.8.169 04:05, March 16, 2012 (UTC)PuMo Lovers

I don't know, but I wish Shiuka'd make one...

What do you mean blog user?

Usually the titles "Legendary -insert vocaloid here- Master" is given at Nico Nico Douga; you know, the tags. Usually song tags in NND are "Kagamine Rin" "Kagamine Len" "Rin Original song" "Len Original song" "Putin-P Series" "Putin-P' "Shiuka". Like that. But if the tuning is smooth then the the tag "Legendary -insert vocaloid here- " will be there in the NND video.

It's a bit hard to explain O_O Unknown.System 05:02, March 16, 2012 (UTC)

How does McDonald TALK?
Alright.

From all the Non-Vocaloid characters, Tashiro, Ronald, and Abe are the three who could talk. Though compared to all three, Ronald is the most important one in the series.

The series is told in first person view; using "I, you, we, they" for Ronald, he can talk. For example, In the Unseen Night Ronald more or less reply to everything that Miku say.

But, what do they MEAN exactly? Here's a list of Ronald's sayings: I'll add some, I think this is pretty much it.
 * Of course!
 * LAN LAN LUU!
 * Hnn... As much as 4 hamburgers, I think.
 * HAHAHAHAHAHA (laugh)
 * I like it / I love it.
 * WAA (scream)

Also, Ronald McDonald's voice being in a song isn't that weird. I've seen songs with Ronald is the vocals (jinriki Vocaloids) and stuff Unknown.System 09:15, March 15, 2012 (UTC)

Don't forget! Mcdonald also say "I love you" in song In the Unseen night! 141.0.8.169 04:44, March 16, 2012 (UTC)PuMo Lovers

Technically it's daisuki which can mean basically both...

This is really confusing :-/ Unknown.System 05:00, March 16, 2012 (UTC)
 * Of course -> Means of course. Straight forward
 * LAN LAN LUU! -> Symbolizes happiness? McDonald high?
 * Hnn.. As much as 4 hamburgers, I think -> Don't know yet. But throughout the series it only appeared once, in Let's Dream.
 * HAHAHAHHAHAHAH -> Laughing at people. I think, it depends on the situation.
 * I like it / I love it -> Means he likes it. Straight forward
 * WAA -> Straight forward. It means, he screams.
 * -/ Unknown.System 02:53, March 20, 2012 (UTC)

Tashiro
I think I know for who Tashiro is recording to. I think it's for Miku and maybe Mcdonald. Try see this.

In song With the one that I can't see, Miku say "I know because Tashiro is here!". It could be that Tashiro was the one who tell the location of Mcdonald to Miku.

How Miku could know Rin was rejected by Len in song The decisive battle? It could be because she see when it happen, or Tashiro was the one who told her.

I was thinking that the Murderer! song was actually was a recording that was record by Tashiro, so the timeline between Nanimonaimono and Murderer! is different. So it could explain Len and Miku clothes. 141.0.8.169 04:37, March 16, 2012 (UTC)PuMo Lovers

Whoa, that actually makes sense... O_O

I'll put that in later, speaking of Tashiro... WHY is he doing it? For money? Unknown.System 05:37, March 16, 2012 (UTC)

Maybe. Cause in song For you for me, there were Miku & Mcdonald picture. It could be that Tashiro was the one that taking photo for them. And there is one case that he was record to Rin, not just Miku. In Kienai hitomi song, why do you think that Rin know Mcdonald death that fast? It could be because Tashiro was following them all this time. This could also explain SECOM part too.

But Tashiro could be Mcdonald Subordinate. 141.0.11.3 09:20, March 16, 2012 (UTC)PuMo Lovers

True that, so that means... Money then. Well, he needs a job for all the drugs and prison-bribe-escape, and food. I guess that IS his role.

I think Tashiro works for anyone who has money in my opinion...

So, is this topic clear? Unknown.System 15:57, March 17, 2012 (UTC)

Wait! Although I still sure that he was Mcdonald subordinate, after I think more of it, he could be Rin and Miku uploader. That backup disc in Hand me a rope!. Where do you think Len get that? My interpretation is 2 : Luka or Tashiro. Cause Tashiro always record everything. And when I mean by everything, it's EVERYTHING. If this true, could he have some connection with America or Russian or both? 141.0.8.161 16:43, March 17, 2012 (UTC)PuMo Lovers

I thought Rin's uploader is Putin-P?

Well if he record EVERYTHING he won't see himself in the tape, like in With the Invisible You, Decisive Battle Day, etc Unknown.System 11:34, March 18, 2012 (UTC)

Okay, not 100% everything. But maybe, the only 100% everything in his point view is when Russian Era. Well, it could be Luka. Or worst, Putin itself. And sorry, I wrong writing Rin part. But you still didn't say anything about Tashiro could be Mcdonald Subordinate. What do you think? 141.0.8.175 04:35, March 19, 2012 (UTC)PuMo Lovers

The only proof that he's not recording everything is Len's flashback. We know that's not recorded because it's Len's head. Also... Tashiro is a human. How can he enter the data, exactly...? Miku probably knows how from McDonald. (In my head canon a part of me still thinks McDonald is a human clown)

I don't think Luka ever mentions Tashiro though.

It's possible, but I think he's only in it for the money; so he can be anyone's subordinate, that's what I think... Unknown.System 10:31, March 19, 2012 (UTC)

Putin-P Series Page Layout
Lurking around, I heard some readers say it lags too much to read the Putin-P Series page. So after I read that comment I said, "yeah, I guess they're right" and changed the layout with the scroll boxes, and the show/hide boxes.

But, I don't think it's working. People can't comment them unlike other articles, just realized that :-/ I'm planning on reverting it all, no scroll boxes, no show/hide boxes, just plain old texts.

The minus to this is... Too much text. I can't blame it, since there are 30-ish songs and counting. Not to mention it's not even finished yet.

So... What should we do with it? Suggestions, please. m(__)m Unknown.System 12:50, March 19, 2012 (UTC)
 * Same layout. People can't comment.
 * Revert layout. Too long + lags to some new readers.
 * Other solutions??
 * Split the page Part 1, Part 2, Part 3, and Part 4.
 * ______________________ (fill in the blanks)

The storyline of my interpretation
This is the storyline I got so far. When the cold war begin, Mcdonald branch also released for the first time. Then, why Irina die before the cold war was stopped? It could be, Russian and American do a contract to stop war. Sometimes, inside a contract, you have to give your strongest opponent to your enemy, like Versailles Contract. Give country, smaller your army number. In cold war case, Russian give their strongest soldier and it was Irina. Putin told human!Len to kill Irina. As for America, they also give their strongest soldier and it was between Mcdonald and Miku. But then, Luka that was decided to help Irina., cause she is already break her heart that seek affection by drug. She decided to change her to be a machine, and that was vocaloid. But in exchange, so she won't killed again, she make her memories of Russian lost. So is Len, Gakupo, and Miku. But Len is idiot. If he never return her memories of Russian, I believe this thing will never happen in Goodbye to you. If he has more intelligence, he could also deal with Putin. War is so annoying, doesn't it? If you realized, their mind when Russian was reset. Miku said that her memories was reset, but she was the only vocaloid that was failed to reset her mind.

Seriously, this idea is the best storyline that I got so far. Please see. 141.0.9.98 17:47, March 20, 2012 (UTC)PuMo Lovers

No, McDonald made a branch AFTER there's peace in America and Russia = when the cold war ended. I'll make another topic about the cold war later.

So, this is the storyline in the Russian Era, then...

But, I like the "change it into a machine" thing because it's a mystery how Miku, Rin, and Len, VOCALOIDS could have anything to do with the cold war.

Wait, which part said Miku's memories reset? Unknown.System 03:24, March 21, 2012 (UTC)

McDonald and the Cold War (before, during, and after)
I once read an article about McDonald and Russia. I was bored one day in the library and read a book about the world history. In the little "did you know" section, it said something about McDonald and the cold war.

I forgot the details; but due to America's economy crisis (I once put that McDonald had their very first economy crisis on 1990) McDonald set up a branch in Russia once the cold war ended.

Browsing around wikipedia, there aren't any wars in Russia after this. Well, there are rebellions during Putin's reign (which is around year 2000)

So PuMo's interpretation on "peace treity" might have some kind of... Sense. How do I put this... What's on my mind is... What if this (by this I mean the Russian Era) happen after the Cold War? In No Need to Worry Rin only said she had to leave Russia for a job... So it may be wars outside of Russia.

The Russian Era can't start if McDonald isn't there, right...? Unknown.System 03:33, March 21, 2012 (UTC)

I might have to check in the library again; I think there are more facts about this. As much as I want to google it, it's hard to find the correct keywords. :-/ Unknown.System 03:35, March 21, 2012 (UTC)

Google copy paste


 * It took McDonald’s 14 years of intense negotiations with Communist Party bosses to open its first outlet.
 * “McDonald’s was not so much a fast-food chain but rather a symbol of freedom”, says Loshak. “A symbol of Western values coming to Russia. No wonder the Communist Party objected so fiercely, but at the end it didn’t have a choice.“
 * With more than 230 outlets across Russia, McDonald’s now controls about two thirds of Russia’s quick service restaurant market
 * It all started in 1976, in the heart of the Cold War, and it took 14 years to bring McDonald’s to Moscow
 * “We just said [to the Soviet government]: trust us, we’re here for a long time, we’re going to come in and go out right away, we’re going to build, we’re going to grow with Russians. It took a few years, but over a period of time we delivered on what we promised: great food, great surroundings and a price people can afford.” (From the person who wanted to make a McDonald branch in Russia)

What caught my eyes.
 * 14 years (Rin and Len's age. Am just saying.)
 * McDonald as the symbol of freedom.
 * Why Soviet Union rejects McDonald so much. (Seriously, McDonald just want to set up a branch. But I guess cultural differences matters)
 * McDonald controls Russia's restaurant market.
 * McDonald was involved with Soviet Union on 1976; even BEFORE they set up a branch.

Interesting ain't it? Unknown.System 03:50, March 21, 2012 (UTC)

Kareshii Removed
Because I've never heard of it... :-/ Unknown.System 03:43, March 21, 2012 (UTC)