User talk:Tokina8937/Archive 2

Amandamay plus account evasion
I'm a bit curious about how this fellow evades bans in making new accounts. Can you see if the IP address they're on are proxy servers or is in a DNSBL, or DNS Blacklist? O Herman (talk) 20:00, October 7, 2018 (UTC)

Gave a bit more info on Damesuke's talk page while you were writing this. After I didn't do a WhoisIP on all of her IPs. But for the ones I did a check, these were especially IPs in the USA (near Washington but I don't want telling you mistaken info) as far as I know.

Tokina8937 20:09, October 7, 2018 (UTC)

OK I re-did the checks (anonymous IPs of Amandamay only), just tell me what you think about them:

- I did the checks on 3 IPs 38.65.214.2 ; 73.247.56.118 ; 165.139.116.252 - All in the US, in Washington, Mt Laurel then Indianapolis - Also I'm missing a lot data, most of the blocks that actually blocked Amandamay were autoblocks coming from blocks for her registered sockpuppet accounts (so you have a line "autoblocked" with the name of the user that had the same IP in the reason case)

Also I used this tool if you want to get the infos. Feel free to investigate on your side as well.

Tokina8937 20:18, October 7, 2018 (UTC)


 * CIDR block for Comcast is a NO-NO. That University IP address also. I'll share my other results later. O Herman (talk) 20:39, October 7, 2018 (UTC)

OK the 2 ones you just told me were possible "poisonous" CIDR blocks if I just understood? Also take in account that most of the blocks that refrained Amandamay from editing come from authentified accounts and can't have their IPs revealed, a CheckUser would be needed to reveal them and apparently not even bureaucrats nor admins don't have access to it. :/

I'll go to sleep on my side, but you can warn Damesuke about these risks for these specific adresses. These are things that I don't think we were aware about. (Plus here I'm a bit on a foreign land, not sure how to say, but I know way less things than you 2 for this)

Don't hesitate to investigate further in the blocklist to see all the blocks that have been made for Amandamay, concerning the accounts and some of the IP ranges. If you can find more info...

Tokina8937 20:53, October 7, 2018 (UTC)


 * The reason why I said those CIDR blocks are poisonous is because it will result in massive false positives if we blocked those range. At this point, our best weapon is that account age restriction until we can narrow down the actual ranges used. Let's hope that person is as sloppy as that fellow I encountered recently. O Herman (talk) 17:30, October 8, 2018 (UTC)

OK... Yeah for the university the range can affect their whole network, not sure for Comcast though. I don't think Damesuke did the whois.

After I don't know if such a tool exists to restrict edits by account age (would be great if it existed, sure all the Wikias would use it to refrain vandalism or some bot spamming) except for the autoconfirmed protection. Well for the moment Viper protected the page she was editing for adding the illegal scans, but I don't think we can stop the page creations themselves. Viper already narrowed down a page and set autoconfirmed level required to create because it was used to be renamed into a song article (yes, at this point, that's what Damesuke meant by "adding blank pages to the Wiki"). Not sure what we can do more... :(

Other solution but it only works for anonymous IPs and here it may also be dangerous: in the features of a Wiki you have the possibility of disabling the edits by unregistered users. In the case of Amandamay... It won't work very well.

I can still try to see if there is a way or a tool to restrict edits by age account other than page protection, but I can't promise anything about it.

Tokina8937 18:55, October 8, 2018 (UTC)


 * Caught another one of the IPs she's used: 71.239.233.191 . Blocked it, but if you need it for whatever reason, there you go.


 * And sorry. I finally snapped. I've had it. I'm sick of this.


 * - NebulousViper Talk Page  01:52, October 9, 2018 (UTC)

Viper: Thanks for the IP and no worries. I know the 2/3 last days were very stressful for all of us, and I think in terms of scolding someone, I saw worse. The thing is that I don't think she'll listen. I also gave warnings and she reacted too late.

Herman: Analyzed the 4th IP and it's also a Comcast. What do we do? Also, haven't found a tool for account age creation, I was right, this seems to not exist... :(

Tokina8937 03:56, October 9, 2018 (UTC)


 * She has gifted me with some nice threats on Utaulyrics wikia along with some IPs. Therefore, I come to hand them over.


 * 2601:248:C400:CF0:3DA1:B938:A562:CDEE
 * 108.21.181.52


 * - NebulousViper Talk Page  22:19, October 9, 2018 (UTC)

Viper is aware of it because of Discord but the IPv6 is a Comcast IP and the IPv4 from MCI Communication Services. Herman, if you know if it is possible for a range block or if this is also out of the question, don't hesitate to tell.

(Also it went waaaaaay too far...)

Tokina8937 22:23, October 9, 2018 (UTC)


 * Sorry, had real life work. Tokina, I'm mulling preventing account creation from specific IP ranges until this stops. I'm thinking of reporting this to Comcast themselves, this constitutes vandalism and it's one of their NO-NOs in their TOS, iirc.


 * If this continues, I'll apply this CIDR block range and make an announcement. 71.239.0.0/16
 * That's the Illinois IP range for Comcast Cable.


 * 108.56.0.0/15, 108.0.0.0/11, 108.48.0.0/13, 108.32.0.0/12
 * That's Verizon. They have also policies against abuse.


 * NebulousViper, please show me this thread where you were threatened. I want to study this fellow and see if it's any of the misfits we encountered before. O Herman (talk) 15:45, October 10, 2018 (UTC)

As far as I can recall, this might be the one.

...At this point in time, the Nyami one and Amandamay are balancing each other out on creating sockpuppet accounts. The ban list looks quite crowded. Lynnellet (talk) 16:16, October 10, 2018 (UTC)

Add this and that to the list of the threats. And this one is the UTAU Lyrics one. Plus other threats but out of Wikia: a threatening email and a Twitter PM (she even got blocked by Twitter because of that). At this point this is harassment, and I guess this is also punished by her Internet providers.

Anyways, you can keep an eye on the blocklist, she'll be marked if ever she dares coming back again, and then I think you can't hesitate to make the reports to the Internet providers themselves.

As for the other, the IPs were all Australian but they move more quickly than Amandamay's. There were also IP ranges (remember the 2 ones I told you few weeks ago? Well you can check what IPs got blocked before being caught in the range block). But if you think this can stop them...

Tokina8937 16:40, October 10, 2018 (UTC)

Hey, I’d hate to interrupt but Amandamay is currently globally blocked! Speedyblue (talk) 16:50, October 10, 2018 (UTC)

Speedyblue: Only her main account. Go on the blocklist to see her other accounts and you can see the thing by yourself.

Herman: Viper just told me these were also these as proofs.

Tokina8937 16:53, October 10, 2018 (UTC)


 * Anyone from the USA, particularly you NebulousViper, please fill out this form. What she's been spamming across wikias is qualified as a real death threat and can get her jailed. I believe putting her behind bars will stop this spate of spam, at least for the most. O Herman (talk) 17:44, October 10, 2018 (UTC)

Kirkbun (Fandom staff) also set an IPv6 CIDR block after Viper's complaint for the death threats. If the only way that can work is to contact the ISPs...

Talking about them, got the one of the other girl, it's Telstra. All the known IPv6 adresses. So Herman, if you have news for this one...

Tokina8937 04:20, October 11, 2018 (UTC)


 * I can file an FBI report when I can. Just not right now. Busy doing stuff orz


 * I wasn't going to at first but then she keeps following me around on twitter and emails, which I can get her suspended and throw her emails in spam, however, she figured out that our UTAU website has a contact form, which she can send messages all she likes. She's never going to leave me alone.


 * - NebulousViper Talk Page


 * So, hello. I'm Nyami. I'm kinda confused. Is it me that has to get arrested or AmandaMay? As what i recently said on Discord (I have a bad habit), i am stopping doing vandalism. (don't ban this account, I'm only using this one to clear up some confusion. No more YOU!.png or the like.) - MikuMikuYouUp!!! (talk) 04:55, October 11, 2018 (UTC)


 * Thank you Nyami. We really appreciate that. ;w;/


 * And no, it's not for you. Amandamay is in trouble for sending death threats.


 * - NebulousViper Talk Page  04:59, October 11, 2018 (UTC)

So let's clarify and update some things...

Nyami: If you really stop the vandalism, thanks. However if you have to know something, the FBI reports are mainly for people residing in the USA. You are Australian. If we had to report you to the authorities, it would have been done to the Australian authorities. The reason why I revealed your Internet provider was to see if some blocks were possible or out of the question if you didn't stop, but I honestly don't think you deserve jail for what you have done. I keep an eye on you though... But at least you haven't done death threats nor tried to hack someone (in these cases, it would have been report to the authorities of your country).

Herman: This is going even worse. Few minutes ago, Viper got a mail from the Fandom services asking him for a new password, meaning that Amandamay tried to hack him. He directly reported it to the Fandom staff who extended the block (I think it was more in terms of time since I don't see any new block in blocklist).

The best for trying to stop her with the FBI report, for everyone, is to block her on any social networks and everywhere she could be. Meerkat got threats as well. What she has done should not remain unpunished.

Tokina8937 14:51, October 11, 2018 (UTC)


 * Hacking huh. Well, that's another thing to add to the FBI report. She's just adding to her crimes. However, the report will have much more weight if Viper files it, being the one who experienced it firsthand. Plus Amandamay's exposed information, once the report's filed, she'll be hearing from teh FIBI.


 * And judging how she moves, she's going to be very sloppy, and won't be even anticipating the involvement of the authorities. But the point remains: Viper, you got to report it NOW. O Herman (talk) 20:42, October 15, 2018 (UTC)


 * @O Herman - I've already reported it a few days ago. Basically included the threads and her talk page covered in the death and hack threats and noted that she harassed my email and twitter accounts.


 * However, apparently recently after I filed the report, she attempted to make a user known as "NebulousViper1" using my UTAU email account, which I managed to get it closed before she did anything with it.


 * Would we know anything if action was taken?


 * - NebulousViper Talk Page  20:48, October 15, 2018 (UTC)

Let's add to this... She also tried to impersonate Speedy and myself. Twice. Or at least tried to make accounts imitating ours. (Found in the new users log, that I have under hand for a totally another reason in the first place).

Meerkat is also collecting proofs on her side since Amandamay also threatened her... To kill herself. By mail. Threats on other Wiki's discussions too (Voiceroid Wiki).

So... We have death threat, suicide incitation, hack (very failed attempts!)... And trying to impersonate other users. I don't know if someone will take action against her for good... :/ But let's hope so.

Tokina8937 21:02, October 15, 2018 (UTC)


 * Keep reporting as new developments arise. At this point she's going to get frequent notices from authorities.
 * I know this may not seem ethically sound, but I think we should find out her details and file a report closest to her jurisdiction. That's one way of ensuring actions are swiftly dispensed on the part of the authorities. O Herman (talk) 09:24, October 16, 2018 (UTC)

Re: Discord verification
The account K. 525 on Discord is indeed me. :)

–– 黒いKuroi  (  talk  ) 22:15, October 13, 2018 (UTC)

Gender
Hey Tokina, first of all, congrats on being promoted to content moderator. Secondly, thanks for considering to have me promoted for that position as well but I would like to tell you that I prefer to keep my gender undisclosed if that's okay.
 * &#34;I&#39;m not your puppet, puppet master...&#34; (talk) 01:32, December 30, 2018 (UTC)


 * (Sorry was sleeping when you sent the message X) ) Well you have at least 3 people thinking you'd be great as content moderator. And no problem for the gender, it's understood!


 * Tokina8937 09:54, December 30, 2018 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for the fix-up edits on the XSY page, I'm not that good with grammar, sentence forming, etc. I trying but I've got a learning difficulty and it makes it harder. One-Winged Hawk (talk) 20:51, January 16, 2019 (UTC)


 * Hehe no problem ^^ After other than that there wasn't any big issue, quite got everything you wanted to say in the texts :) Tokina8937 20:54, January 16, 2019 (UTC)

Thanks + Apologies
Hey. I just really wanted to both thank and apologize to you.

I'm really new as wiki to a whole, and I'm not sure if you even noticed it yourself, but the very first page I made was edited by you. I really wanted to thank you back then, but talk pages are weird and I somehow didn't the notice the very big and glaring "Leave a message" button.

Really though, I honestly do thank you for helping me out with that stuff. I'm not too great at formating wikis (wrapping my head around everything took maybe an hour), so having someone help out was really apprecatied.

I'm also really sorry about the whole lyric-less page thing. That was sort of a mistake on my part, but I did actually get a hold of the producer so they could help out with the lyrics, so as soon as they get back to me again, we're good to go. I won't work on any more pages until that's done, if that means anything to you.

Thanks again!!

Satori0maiden (talk) 19:40, February 4, 2019 (UTC)
 * Hey no problem ^^


 * If ever you have the lyrics from the producer themselves, that would be great :) If you want you can get some help here (global help) and to read how the templates for official and unofficial linkings and derivatives work.


 * Other tip: be careful when editing with VisualEditor, it has a huge problem of issues such as adding unnecessary spaces or "eating" the line returns. It gives in general very messy codes. Also it has a problem with one of our templates, the Shared template, permitting for lyrics to center them when for example for a Japanese song, official Japanese and romaji are the same (it can be a sentence in English in a Japanese song). VisualEditor tends to add abnormal code, probably due to a code interpretation issue.


 * The best would be to use either the classic editor (or rich text editor) or the source editor (if you use this one, better know Wikicode or have a help next to you, I admit it's not the most user-friendly engine but it's the one making the less possible corruptions in code).


 * Tokina8937 19:47, February 4, 2019 (UTC)

Could you also?
Take a look at VOCALOID API? Its a new page and was basically created just to hold information for several pages. Its not that useful and just explains "Vocaloid Engine is the Vocaloid engine". I need someone to look and make sure its understandable. Its not finished but I had a mini search adventure for 1 image needed to support it.

Thanks in advance.One-Winged Hawk (talk) 21:30, February 4, 2019 (UTC)


 * Sorry, knew I forgot something XD (Between all that I'm doing between the Wiki and real life)


 * Doing it right now ^^


 * Tokina8937 (talk) 21:31, February 4, 2019 (UTC)


 * I'll have to look at it again, if I've not already so. I left a note on a comment section a few days go about a personnel problem. Today I'm not doing any editing and may not for a few days, there is anger related to this event. I've let Bunai and co know privately the details on why. One-Winged Hawk (talk) 12:16, February 6, 2019 (UTC)


 * I saw the edits on yesterday. And no problem, have been a bit busy today and this will also be the case tomorrow. Now the sentence is better ;)


 * Tokina8937 (talk) 15:36, February 6, 2019 (UTC)

Done with the XSY page. I'm mostly having trouble explaining how things work. For example "Realism" I'm trying to explain how XSY can be used for the uncanny valley effect, which adds to realism, but the actually XSY result is not realistic. ITs hard to explain how users would understand, how can something help with realism if it is unrealistic itself? It mostly amounts to the original intention of XSY, whereas the "create a new vocal" effect is going to be hit with this harder. I just hope you understand this also. If you think you can even rewrite this, be my guess.

For now, I'm at least done. ^_^ One-Winged Hawk (talk) 14:44, February 11, 2019 (UTC)


 * Should be better now. For me the explanation still went correctly. ^^


 * Tokina8937 (talk) 15:03, February 11, 2019 (UTC)

Thank You
Thank you for making the page I requested =w=. CandyCaneMoe (talk) 16:46, February 7, 2019 (UTC)

Re: For the pages formattings
The  thing kinda went out of my notice, just only minutes ago did I find out how it's automatically turning haha.

Some of my edits on the pages do benefit (?) me in some way. I'm impressed to see how there are so many excellent voice manipulators out there, and how UTAUs are increasing so much in quality. Worth the time paid off haha.

Oh yeah, about the ones in your sandbox, big thanks to you. I'm still gonna check them to maintain the uniformity of the pages and add credits to the derivatives, but it will a lot faster to treat than others.

I only have a few more days until the end of my holiday, there's not gonna be anymore almost hundred of edits like these days. I will do my best though. Lynnellet (talk) 15:45, February 10, 2019 (UTC)


 * Yeah you have to switch to source mode since the beginning for the  thing X)


 * Normally especially the last pages that I made from the sandbox there should be no forgotten credit for derivatives. Unless I really missed something. After for the uniformity, I don't think many people care so no need to worry about it ^^


 * The reason I treated my pages was because I had to learn quite quickly new Bunai's templates, and now it's good set in my head. Also for testing a bit, I know I got stuck at a moment for the page of Elfina and asked help for Bunai because the several links for VocaDB thing wasn't active yet at the time (and also because like an idiot I mixed up between the description argument and the comments argument!). And she was the one who finished treating the page.


 * After what I'm currently doing (we can't say I'm in holidays actually, I'm more in transition period between school and internship) I'm trying to empty a bit the priority song list and to do the 100K/1M NND/YT approachings just to keep track if we need to do moves for the featuring song pages and all (since the bot can't manage it but we can't ask everything to it either XD).


 * Good luck Lynn ;)


 * Tokina8937 (talk) 15:56, February 10, 2019 (UTC)

Page Protection Request for Senbonzakura, World is Mine, and PoPiPo
[//vocaloid.fandom.com/wiki/%E5%8D%83%E6%9C%AC%E6%A1%9C_(Senbonzakura) https://vocaloid.fandom.com/wiki/%E5%8D%83%E6%9C%AC%E6%A1%9C_(Senbonzakura)]

[//vocaloid.fandom.com/wiki/%E3%83%AF%E3%83%BC%E3%83%AB%E3%83%89%E3%82%A4%E3%82%BA%E3%83%9E%E3%82%A4%E3%83%B3_(World_is_Mine) https://vocaloid.fandom.com/wiki/%E3%83%AF%E3%83%BC%E3%83%AB%E3%83%89%E3%82%A4%E3%82%BA%E3%83%9E%E3%82%A4%E3%83%B3_(World_is_Mine)]

[//vocaloid.fandom.com/wiki/%E3%81%BD%E3%81%A3%E3%81%B4%E3%81%A3%E3%81%BD%E3%83%BC_(PoPiPo) https://vocaloid.fandom.com/wiki/%E3%81%BD%E3%81%A3%E3%81%B4%E3%81%A3%E3%81%BD%E3%83%BC_(PoPiPo)]

Can these 3 song pages have ip/new account protection? All 3 of them look like they would be quick targets of vandalism/spam due to their popularity. CandyCaneMoe (talk) 18:47, February 15, 2019 (UTC)


 * I actually hesitated to do it, but did the basics.


 * Tokina8937 (talk) 19:36, February 15, 2019 (UTC)

Future tone test mode screenshots
Hey, thanks for renaming my images, I'm new to this platform so I had no idea how to do things.

But now my comment has broken links to the images lol

Maybe if my info is worth something it may make sense to put it inside the article?

I'm not a writer really so not editing articles without prior approval!

Have a nice day

Vladkorotnev (talk) 14:48, March 16, 2019 (UTC)


 * Akumi fixed the thing XD But you found out before she edited X)


 * Tokina8937 (talk) 14:49, March 16, 2019 (UTC)

Oh dang, I thought someone deleted it, so I refreshed the page and it was back but links still broken, so I went ahead and edited them to properly point at the new files. Didn't expect so much activity over here but then again it's about 12AM here but just roughly 5PM in europe innit

Vladkorotnev (talk) 14:55, March 16, 2019 (UTC)
 * Ah no worries! It's early morning for a lot of us in the U.S, so I guess I can kinda see why you would think that lol. Adding onto what you said about the screenshots, that may actually be useful information to consider. We may be able to include a new "technical" section if needed. I can ask some of the other member of the staff team later to see if such info can be included. -- akumi   (talk)  14:58, March 16, 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Just found how to indent in this thing, reminds me of how we used to chat with friends using a TXT file on a network share, sorry for the messed up threading above. Just realized this website is actually Wikia with a fancy design! And I've been wondering why it logged me in right away lol. Either I'm getting too old, or computing is getting too hard :D


 * Vladkorotnev (talk) 15:03, March 16, 2019 (UTC)

Article Question
I have a quick question, because I don't want to violate any rules. I have been working on some original Vocaloid songs using FL Studio, whic are available on the music page of my website https://www.iammacskyrunner.wordpress.com. Would I be allowed to start an article for them, or do they need to be completed and uploaded to YouTube or NicoNico first? Thank you in advanced! Iammacskyrunner (talk) 23:59, April 1, 2019 (UTC)


 * OK at least you do good to ask... Because even creating the page by yourself wouldn't be authorized XD
 * Most of time the songs have an upload on one of these platforms (or Soundcloud, or Bilibili etc) after we happen to sometimes create pages for songs in albums. As far as I know, it's not impossible to create pages for your songs, as long you're not the one creating the pages (ask someone else on the Wiki, on my side it will be a bit difficult since I have less time for the 6 upcoming months) and as long there is the strict minimum (how to fill the infobox, the lyrics - it's even better when there are external links existing but we can't ask for everything either X) )
 * The best would be to read this actually ;)
 * Hope this helps :)
 * Tokina8937 (talk) 06:18, April 2, 2019 (UTC)

Quick question
Hey Tokina! It's me again!

To make sure I'm doing this whole wiki thing right, I made a page on my sandbox. Was wondering if you could glance it over and give me the okay? I want to make sure I'm publishing it when it's okay and all that. Sorry if it takes up your time, just trying to do my best. ^^

Satori0maiden (talk) 13:51, May 10, 2019 (UTC)


 * Will look at it tonight if I have enough time, else tomorrow. :)


 * Tokina8937 (talk) 13:56, May 10, 2019 (UTC)

Compilation albums in new layout
It's been a while since I'm active on the Vocaloid Wiki again, and it seems like I've missed out some major things the past months.

I've read the instruction of the new producer page layout. However, when it comes to the "Compilation Albums" section under "Discography", I'm not sure what to do with it.

Take niki for example: Imgur If niki only contributes one song (WAVE) to the album, then I don't see the point in showing all the vocals featured in the album, but not mentioning the producer's song.

May I ask if there are any other options? Or are we going to keep the compilation in the scroll box template? Lynnellet (talk) 17:16, May 25, 2019 (UTC)


 * Answer from Bunai since I don't really know myself either "It will either take another module edit or a new template", but for now she is using placeholders.


 * After, if you really want more info, I'd advise you asking her directly


 * Tokina8937 (talk) 18:39, May 25, 2019 (UTC)