User talk:Damesukekun

Polite Request
Hi there, I have a small translation request.

Could you tell me about what the contest is about here?

I'm just asking for what it is about though, theres no need for more then the basic details.

Thanks in advance. One-Winged Hawk 13:19, January 14, 2011 (UTC) By the way, CUL is the abbreviation for CULNOZA, not culture. Could you correct the article? Damesukekun 14:24, January 14, 2011 (UTC)
 * It's a public song collection for CUL. Participants post female vocaloid songs to Nicovideo up to Feb. 25.


 * Really? Wow. Thanks for that. One-Winged Hawk 17:15, January 14, 2011 (UTC)


 * Corrected. Its also the sign I have to drop one of my other translators. They were the one who threw up that translation. I'll deal with that next time I see them. I've been producing more reliable translations by myself and I'm bad at it as it is. Looks like right now the two most reliable source of translation within the fandom are if I post here or wikipedia.


 * Its kind of disappointing, I put up a message on the mainpage to see if we can get word around that more translators are needed. When you have large fandoms like say, Naruto or One Piece in western fandoms, translators are easy to find. Its rather disappointing sometimes as only mainstream shows attract the translators. Its not like there are none around in the Vocalid fandoms case, its that their not in the right places. I hate asking too much of any single translator as I know it can tick them off.


 * The only other thing that needs translating is this. One-Winged Hawk 17:36, January 14, 2011 (UTC)

Okay, here it is:

"Kagamine Rin & Len Append", the appended vocal libraries for "Kagamine Rin & Len" has come to the market. Rin & Len Kagamine is the Vocaloid of a set of twin vocals, the girl vocal Rin and boy vocal Len. (note by translator: Rin and Len are not twins officially.) Each vocal gained three new voicebanks such as storong voice, whisper voice and so on by this update to Append. More vocal faces became available for more song expressions.

Rin & Len Append came to distribution just three years after the first release of Kagamine on December 27, 2007. What was the air of the recording for Kagamine Append? We held an interview with Asami Shimoda, the voice provider for Rin & Len Kagamine. Wataru Sasaki from Crypton Future Media, the directer of the series of Vocaloid products, joined us in the middle of interview and we heard the story of development which had been untold.

─ Three years have passed since Rin & Len Kagamine showed up on stores.

Shimoda: Yes. It is three years since the release, but the recording itself was three and about a half years ago. I remember that Miku Hatsune had already been in boom at that time. I heard at the first recording that the software was in fact for temporary songs. So I was thinking at first that it was a DAW software designed for and used and loved just by those in the music trend and those who create songs just for pleasure.

The fact is, now this product has met its third year and has grown to a set of characters loved very much. I am very surprised to see the unexpected things like this. And this product leaves my hand sheer and many Kagamine CDs are released before I know. Well, Miku Hatsune CD hits the number 1 in the Oricon chart and the Miku music game by SEGA is popular. Another surprising thing is that most cosplayers were in the Vocaloid outfit in Comic Market.

─ Do you go to Comic Market?

Shimoda: Yes, I often go. I love to.

─ Aren't you detected as "the person of Kagamine"?

Shimoda: No, I am not because I disguise myself when I go. (laugh) Well, I think that Kagamine has become one of the national characters and I am very glad as a participator for Kagamine. I hope that Rin and Len unchanginly have new meetings during the forth and fifth year, too, and I want to celebrate it.

─ Do you have anything new by providing Rin & Len vocals?

Shimoda: I receive more letters from elementary students and kids than before.

─ Do elementary students listen to Kagamine songs?

Shimoda: Now even kids use the Internet. I receive more letters saying "We all listen to Kagamines at school." or "I belong to the broadcast club and I broadcast Kagamine songs during lunch hour." or so. I think that listening to Vocaloid songs may be in boom among students.

I often receive illustrations, too. I, however, just recorded the voicebank and I feel sorry because it isn't I who sing.

─ By the way, where did the name Rin and Len come from?

Sasaki: This is... The name was not decided at the first recording in 2007. Ms. Shimoda was familiar with the animes of her childhood so "Hokuto no Ken" just came to our talk. The character by the name "Rin" was in the anime. It happened to be a topic, we joked about the clip "Rin said a word with the air of the situation", and we simply decided Rin and Ken.

─ What!

Shimoda: Yeah, "Batt and Rin was so plagializing that Rin and Ken would be better." and so on. (laugh)

Sasaki: A talented rap musician "Shuren The Fire" lives in Hokkaido and his cosplay is an homage to "Shuren" in "Hokuto no Ken". So Hokuto no Ken might have been too close to us.

Shimoda: Well, in fact, I did not know the final naming. I was told that the names were Rin and Len before I took an interview for a magazine, and I felt easy to know that Ken was not used. I also thought that Len was cool. L and R make a pair and they sound nice.

─ Why did you name one of them "Len"?

Sasaki: I always make halfway jokes. (laugh) I often use jokes and simple guesses as spice to reflect the happy air and sensation in a studio to my products.

─ How was the words when Ms. Shimoda received the offer three and a half years ago?

Shimoda: I was told that they wanted two vocals anyway. The sense of one person acting two vocals. I was so happy to know that they recruited me with my skill of generating both boy and girl voices.

─ Did they offer you the project after the release of Miku?

Sasaki: No, before Miku.

Shimoda: Soon after Saki Fujita was recruited for Miku's vocal.

─ Then, was the condition of twins in your mind since then?

Sasaki: Yes. The movies of Idol M@ster was gaining popularity, so I thought she would be counted as "the voice actress for the twins in Idol M@ster" soon. Another attracting point was she was tactful to act the twins with slight differences. She was appealing as a voice actress because she was fully aware of such slightly different personalities.

Shimoda: Well, I know few voice actresses who usually narrate for twin characters.

Sasaki: You narrated both for the popular twins in Idol M@ster and mirror-reflection characters, so you would have the opportunity to receive more works for twin characters.

Shimoda: I've already acted for other projects, indeed. In addition, pretty many in the anime industry love Rin & Len. In a certain anime I narrated, a road roller was sitting quietly in a park in the first chapter. (laugh)

─ Wow, Kagamine popularity spreads to such the extent. Do you have any tip when you act twins as different egos?

Shimoda: Well, the tip is... I don't usually narrate with deep thinking, it is more like feeling.

Sasaki: I think you get into characters you play very naturally.

Shimoda: Yes, I do. If I tell it with the words from my sense, the difference is, Rin's voice comes from the top of my head and Len from my bosom. Rin is like producing a cute and flying voice from the hair whorl. I open my eyes wide, this is, say, how I generate high tones. On the other hand, I can't create Len's low voice if I don't put some muscle on my bosom. I focus on narrating through the center of my bosom, through the lower part.

Sasaki: Listeners would know that. Those who dislike Rin's voice say her voice echoes in their heads and it makes them feel dizzy. Some like a cheerful girl's cry and others don't. Rin's and Len's vocals strike like a lightning, they are more like cries. Len's high vocal bothers those who don't like Kagamine.

─ The comments when demos of Kagamine Append was released were...

Sasaki: "Sweet vocal isn't Ren at all!" or so.

─ Six more vocals were attached to Append package. More varied expressions were required and how did you narrated them differently?

Shimoda: Mr. Sasaki led me. I didn't have to narrate sentences, Vocaloid voicebank was made from the edited voices. In a recording studio, well, I was not sure if my vocal really sounded as Ren's soft vocal...

─ Any difficult vocal to narrate?

Shimoda: I had one, but I don't remember which.

Sasaki: The recording were in several days and we gave names to each append later, so she wasn't sure in the studio. The first was the Rin in a little low-spirit and the next were the little bitchy, and the cool Len followed. Then the forceful voice and the last was the soft.

Shimoda: I recorded many vocals. Mr. Sasaki said he had asked me "the bitchy" one but I remember he had requested me "the sad" one at first. But I could not do well and he changed it to bitchy one and I caught it. We spent not a little time for that.

─ You don't tell sentences but just phonics when recording. I heard that you had difficulty expressing emotions.

Shimoda: The phonics was unusual like "zan, zan, jii" and I had to lay even stress on each unit. When I narrate a usual script, I can express sadness by speech accents, but doing so in the Vocaloid recording makes vocal unit uneven.

─ Much more skill is required than narrating as a usual voice actress.

Shimoda: Yes. Furthermore, I have to concentrate on it a lot. The recording was 25 hours in total and 4 hours a day, but I narrate the same phonics many times so I become sleepy if I don't concentrate on. Unlike the anime studio, the staff and the engineers are very quiet so I hear only my voice. In addition, I narrate it on the rhythm like "tan, tan, tan, tan."

Sasaki: Kinda chanting... It is like chanting Heart Sutra. (laugh)

Shimoda: I felt I was really listening to a sutra. I was about to fall asleep and sometimes I was narrating half-dreamy. I was afraid if I made not a few mistakes with the absent mind.

Sasaki: Well, you were okay. (laugh)

Shimoda: Was I okay? I would like to apologize. Well, I felt little happy when recording. All I thought was to heighten my motivation like "'Key, I'll concentrate."

─ What came to your mind when the recording was over?

Shimoda: I thought "Phew, I can't work any longer today". I felt as if I had exhausted all my glucose.

─ What was your impression before the release of Kagamine Append?

Shimoda: "Wow, the date is exactly the same as the date of original release three years ago." Did you set the date on purpose?

Sasaki: Yes, I did. In fact, I received claims from end shops such as "distribute it on the Christmas day" or "not this day, please" when I released it three years ago. I got claims again for asking this unusual release date this year.

─ True, the date was after Christmas, and was inconvenient for end shops.

Shimoda: Yet it was catchy to release just after three years. I hope we could hold events on December 27 as Rin's and Len's birthday.

This time of three years ago, I was expecting the Kagamine release. I had many visitors and e-mails, and was waiting for the awaited release. I received the unexpected offer this year again. I had no idea distributing another package after the first recording.

I was just narrating without any emotion at the first ACT1 recording, but expressions such as sadness or sweet whisper were newly added. Songs gain depth so I hope Vocaloid beginners would use Kagamine Append.

─ Wonderful comment.

Sasaki: You advertise the product better than a certain person in charge of Vocaloid. Well, do you have any chance to work for Crypton? (laugh)

Shimoda: Are you short of hands?

Sasaki: Yes, we are short of hands and smiles.

─ (laugh) Well, in the end of the interview, do you have any request of songs you want to listen with Append?

Shimoda: I have no idea. Saying about songs, I think Miku Hatsune is the artist who has the most songs around the world, so every genre has come with her. So, I hope users would find the singing ways which make good use of the features of Append. When you let Kagamine sing a ballade, for example, a part is in the sad singing with whisper voice and another part is in the forceful singing.

Sasaki: And Rin and Len manzai comedy usind 3-D MikuMikuDance would be fun. Rin hits Len, and Len's vocal turns from power to serious, then weeping voice. I'm glad to see your free-styled usage anyway. Damesukekun 08:34, January 15, 2011 (UTC)


 * You finished!


 * I say "thank you" but I mean to say so much more, but theres no words I know that can express my graditudes for this. One-Winged Hawk 09:53, January 20, 2011 (UTC)

Gackpoid Extend?
http://vocaloid.blog120.fc2.com/blog-entry-7768.html

Oh, sorry to bother you, can you confirm something for me? Theres a little confusion, has Gackpoid extend been confirmed as well, the rest they've translated and understand but this one there is a little bit of conufsion over? One-Winged Hawk 19:30, January 20, 2011 (UTC)
 * The article only says Megumi Nakajima has already made a set of several vocal recordings for Meguopoid Extend. There is no reference of Gakupo. Damesukekun 23:14, January 20, 2011 (UTC)

Just some stuff
こんにちは. PCがいよいよダメになってきてるのか、previewするとよく固まってしまうのでこまめにセーブしていたのですが、鯖に負担かかっちゃうんですね^^; 出来るだけ負担かけないよう気をつけます. Blacksaingrain 06:14, January 23, 2011 (UTC)
 * レジストリクリーニングはしたことないので、Wise Registry Cleanerを使って試してやってみますね. ありがとうございます^^ Blacksaingrain 06:47, January 23, 2011 (UTC)

translatiors
I won't say no, considering the few western translators only seem to be sticking to their groups. I have my limits on the research I can do as well. I'm currently caught up in a clean up session at another wikia with an admin absence myself. Its taking time away from this particular wikia until they resolve it. Between you and the translators at wikipedia, they are not that many serving the Vocaloid fandom in the western fandom, and I can't seem to cox a few from other fandoms to translate.

The most major thing is clarification on what exactly is going on with the Japanese Vocaloids, the english ones are not the problem. Theres not many articles on them, but since their the language I speak, I can at least handle them myself with no troubles. I think I said it before, the major problem is that forums like Vocaloid Otaku, the members rely on dodgey google and babel translations with side effects being they can't quite determine what their results are being thrown at them. They get some things correct, but I've had things thrown back at me from wikipedia as "incorrect", partly recently when one of my own friends who translated stuff starting becoming really bad at it.

Help is needed at least until we can get things sorted and more translators take interest. The western Vocaloid fandom is really quite small, there isn't enough of anything yet. So "thanks" would not be enough to express what I mean when I say it.

But, "thank you" is the closet I can get to what I mean. :-) One-Winged Hawk 18:36, January 23, 2011 (UTC)

Re:Piracy / Copyright Violation
Thank you for informing me. I was wondering why IP and Editors were constantly messing with Lourdes' page, I figured it was due to jealousy from attention and such, but I only remember one person stating that it was a violation yet not being clear about it. I would inform Ricardo that this is illegal and should remove the link and location of it from visitors. If you feel like the character still needs to be banned, I will check with the other admins. -- Bunai82 (talk) 17:21, February 7, 2011 (UTC)
 * The least Ricardo would do is immediately cease distribution of the UTAU hybrid. (and download links where to get Lola & Meiko) Even on its modified form (Lola voicebank samples into UTAU-readable WAV files), there's ruling against that across both wikis. I hope he listens. Can you get him in here so he'll know how bad it is? O Herman 18:12, February 7, 2011 (UTC)


 * I'm glad it was pointed out, I didn't know myself since I had seen bits on youtube thus presumed it was legit. Yes, this is VERY wrong and its embarressing I missed it, however, I also note there are other sites out there and on top of this she has been on the wikia for a while now. Damesukekun, thanks for bringing it to attention. On other note... The guys at VO forums LOVE trolling stuff. I wonder if they want something fresh to troll at in the name of justice? I might drop a notice of this persons' actions to them. >:-) One-Winged Hawk 18:32, February 7, 2011 (UTC)


 * What are the odds this one (meaning appeal to Ricardo) will fall on deaf ears? As a fanmade vocaloid creator and UTAU connoisseur I'm pretty disappointed by such actions... O Herman 18:39, February 7, 2011 (UTC)


 * Good grief, the links to their blogsite are up on DA. I've put up a notice on VO forums, I'm trying to get their side of the story, but even if I have to re-instate that fanmad's page, I'm not going to shy away from announcing what this person's been up to anyway, this is going to be recorded on the fanmades history so anyone reading knows this is a disapproved fanmade. One-Winged Hawk 19:08, February 7, 2011 (UTC)


 * Thank you very much for the immediate action. I received replies from Zero-G and Ctypton, and they said they'd already killed the download links and I confirmed it. Yet I think Ricardo should delete the "free download" links, remove the plagiarizing logo and stop distributing Lola voicebank for UTAU before we bring back Lourdes. Damesukekun 00:13, February 8, 2011 (UTC)


 * Sofia, another UTAU uses Meiko, he admitted this, but has lied and said not, but it was THERE in his blog.


 * Quote from before it was removed;Lionoid Sofia CL_02. Sofia is the Second Lionoid to be circulating on YouTube. It comes from Vocaloid Meiko, with some arrangements in his voice. But as I want it to all fanaticism, they can send their ideas and pictures of their creations to post here.


 * I'm trying to dig up information on this fanmade too, because it seems it was not the only one. I suspects as well Riki is also just as fake a UTAU despite the claim. I'm not so cute, that I wouldn't pay attention to the only thing written in english on a blog, and quote it so I remember that piece of information and made sure others had their proof, though I admit next time I'll go a step further and screenshot it as BETTER proof. With this in mind, I'm now not so keen to add the page back with any form of linking involved to any of the persons work, because they attempted to lie to cover their tracks and pretend I wasn't watching.


 * He has more UTAU, but now I do not believe they are not Vocaloids despite what he has said, because it seems odd that 2 out of 3 are Vocaloids involved. And yes, the link to downloadable Meiko isn't gone, thus the problem isn't completely resolved yet. ^_- One-Winged Hawk 17:53, February 8, 2011 (UTC)


 * Also, he confessed to owning 2 UTAU to us here at the wikia, yet as has been noted, he created more with Lola to get "Appends". So he is not above denying what he has. This is not good for his reputation. One-Winged Hawk 18:19, February 8, 2011 (UTC)


 * He left the Sofia voice confession up apparently, it was just where I didn't expect it.


 * Also the MORE I look the worst it gets; http://ricardovocaloid.blogspot.com/2009/10/silver-world-disponible.html This songs in there listed he is not allowed to reissue as he has. I'm up to screenshot 7 as of this. Its far from over Damesukekun, you know, I'm not going to enjoy updating Lourdes' page after all this. I am also trying to get a translator of his language onto his blog messages, I think he may be calling "victim" here. I need to confirm that he is calling out himself as a victim. I'm surprised, in all of this, no one has attacked him on NND, where has work uploaded. There is no sacred ground he won't trend on. One-Winged Hawk 20:07, February 8, 2011 (UTC)


 * His own UTAUloid has been blacklisted now in UTAU Wiki, as a result. Geez, this is really... sad. O Herman 21:03, February 8, 2011 (UTC)
 * With 2 out of 3 UTAU made from Vocaloids, I honestly still do not believe Riki Leon isn't another Vocaloid steal. But I would need someone to identify it as to which Vocaloid to make sure that was the case. Its name implies "Leon" and that was the one I remember a VO forum member noting. But But its hard to compare UTAU with their Vocaloid orginal. One-Winged Hawk 21:41, February 8, 2011 (UTC)

I'm going to alert the Vocaloid distributors to this guy again and announce Ricardo's piracy to NND community. Damesukekun 23:20, February 8, 2011 (UTC)


 * I've already alerted the VO forum community, but the response is little at this moment. The western fandom tends to explode upon Vocaloid releases thus its sort of downtime while another gets made. The only other place to alert is Vocaloidism, but I don't have account there and their forum is more confusing. One-Winged Hawk 23:43, February 8, 2011 (UTC)

http://www.piapro.jp/Ricardovocaloid

For what its worth... One-Winged Hawk 00:05, February 9, 2011 (UTC)

... Ah heres something; "I have to Lola, Miriam, Leon, Kaito, Meiko, Miku, Rin and Len, Kamui, Miki, Saai and Kiyoteru. I will use the voice and to sing in Spanish, English and Japanese."

I just noticed that, thats what Vocaloids he owns, I'm going to lean on Riki Leon being one of those voices if someone in the community can guess which one that would confirm ALL his UTAU are illegal. Also... More linking to his own accounts via that Piapro page. Not good considering that Meiko's on one of them. One-Winged Hawk 00:08, February 9, 2011 (UTC)


 * Nope. Riki is voiced by a human. Couldn't associate the voice with any Vocaloid. I was leaning on Big-Al at first, but since he doesn't (supposedly) own him, that's not the case. Also, the voice has a certain human characteristic to it, it sounds extremely bored. Etiole 00:21, February 9, 2011 (UTC)


 * I'd prefer if it was 100% made sure. Also, that Piapro account is problematic, but only Japanese fans could get that removed. Its 00:23, I've been at this since about 2:30pm or something like that, digging around and checking things match up, particularly aimed as confirming he told us the truth (which saldy he didn't). The Lourdes page will be opened for discussion on Friday, an attempt to add a satisfactory addition to the history section will be made and posted on the talk page for everyone to edit. Until then, I suggest we all give it a rest... This story has been a pain for me in the last 24 hours, I don't know about everyone else here. I imagine, the Japanese community won't be happy (I've been there once already) possibly and thats now for them to disguest.


 * Theres nothing more the wikia can do... Now its up to us to document this formally and in neutral terms later on. We can't link to anything with Lourdes on anymore, because everything seems to link back to those blasted pages again. So Lourdes won't be getting links to any of her songs, I suggest we leave the creators name off. Can we delete the histories of a page too? If not we might have to make the page under her full name. Either way, I don't think its ever going to be possible to allow anything but admin editing to a page, if we let her page come back. The UTAU wikia is up to its own workings to decide what it wants to do, so I won't comment on that.


 * I hate to say it, despite the achievements accomplished here, we're a vicitm since we had links to that blog previously and the history of that page has to go somehow, and now we're left to judge on a page or not should even be re-enstated, if it does... How are we going to go about this? We'll decide this Friday. :-/ One-Winged Hawk 00:35, February 9, 2011 (UTC)

Just confirming, the Meiko link is empty, the blog post remains though. Also, Lourdes is gone from NND and Piapro now. This was not the aim. He still claims Sofia is a UTAU, despite a blog post saying she is from Meiko, which contradicts his claim. His admittance to sharing a Lourdes Append with 4 others, which contained Lola's voice is gone from his deviant art account, however he then notes it was a prototype here.

His language skills is preventing this being resolved fast. The download to his songs (which are just bad cover songs) which contain commerically copyrighted material, still remains on his other blog. We're almost there with what is needed to be resolved on this issue for Lourdes to return on her page. The remaining issues are on those freely passed around songs. Thats still up to the producers to adress of each song and decide if they want it removed. As they are being published freely, no charge, it depends on country laws if their illegal or not. :-/ One-Winged Hawk 11:08, February 9, 2011 (UTC)


 * Unfortunately for him, Japanese people are very passionate about protecting their products from misuse and piracy. It was natural that Lourdes and Sofia be rejected due to this. O Herman 12:40, February 9, 2011 (UTC)

I posted a warning message on Ricardo's Piapro talk page in English and Japanese so that Japanese users can read what this guy is doing. @Angel Emfrbl: We really appreciate your tireless research on this matter. Please don't overdo, the responsibility is not yours but we all share the burden. I've already informed Crypton of Ricardo's piracy and shameless Piapro page. The company will take the due measure. Damesukekun 14:02, February 9, 2011 (UTC)


 * There isn't anymore to do on this side of the world any Damesukekun. I'm just glad something is resolving itself. One-Winged Hawk 16:12, February 9, 2011 (UTC)


 * Its the end of it, on the vocaloid side, someone spotted "Pocaloid" on the software's name in the Sonika video which I missed at VO forums. The story is at an end so this weekend I'm cleaning up the lourdes page and restoring it to note all this. At this point, its pretty much over for him + Vocaloid... whats done is done. All he has now is UTAU to build on. One-Winged Hawk 14:45, February 18, 2011 (UTC)

Also for what its worth, Crypton might be interested in the user name "mendozairis" on youtube, his video on installing Vocaloid is a bit... Contraversal. One-Winged Hawk 14:48, February 18, 2011 (UTC)

Lourdes outcome
Its time to decide that fate of that page, all comments welcome. See talk page. One-Winged Hawk 12:20, February 11, 2011 (UTC)


 * Ricardo, creator of this Vocaloid returned under the name of Hispanoloid, if you didn't know. Well I don't know what else to do. At this point he has lied about a lot of things, his retirement is now on top of the list. We know he was shut down by the Japanese companies before... I don't know if you want to drop a hint along again on this same person, its begining to get really sickening that our friend Ricardo isn't taking this seriously.


 * Now the wikia isn't being vandalised, we can only keep tabs on him. The fact he is back means its back to square 1 with this whole story. I don't think the wikia can do anything more then just keep reporting when he reappears. I'm sorry, his reappearance was beyond everyone's control. :-/ One-Winged Hawk 15:56, April 16, 2011 (UTC)

Just a quick confirmation
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Did I got the Japanese for Negi and Leek right? One-Winged Hawk 13:17, February 17, 2011 (UTC)
 * I made a slight change. Damesukekun 22:25, February 17, 2011 (UTC)


 * So my first source was more correct then my second. I'll note that down. I've never had the need to translate the word "leek" before.


 * http://vocaloidotaku.net/index.php?/topic/10909-akaito-append/page__view__findpost__p__301285 - some of the guys at VO are struggling with translations here, Kaito's Append was revealed and the Kaito fans are all giggly over it. One-Winged Hawk 08:07, February 18, 2011 (UTC)


 * Mkey, I'll join the talk later. Damesukekun 23:00, February 22, 2011 (UTC)

Meaw

 * sigh*, remember Meaw Damekekun? I don't know, is there anything new to add about them? Every time they come up, theres some sort or form of argument on if they are or are not Vocaloids, etc, etc. I don't know, I wish they'd never had that PV, every time they come up I seem to spend time trying to state they were never confirmed Vocaloids and all in vein.

Is there ANYTHING about them at all worth noting new? I feel like the Meaw thing is dead and pointless, but everyone wants to beat the dead beast with a stick to see if theres any life in it, that even if I bring proof they won't believe it.

Sorry Damesukekun about this... I've had 4 people confirm theres nothing that states they were Vocaloid, one was you previously, another was Judachi at wikipedia. But this is one issue that will not die and every few months it comes back up. the guys at wikipedia won't allow it to say "Vocaloid" so I think their trying to make this harder to accept then it is. I don't know... Its something I wish would stop coming up. One-Winged Hawk 16:28, February 26, 2011 (UTC)


 * Also, how "safe" is it to rely on the keytags on NND? They use the fact "Vocaloid" is slapped on as keytags as the single most important issue here. But SF-A2 miki is also slapped on there too. One-Winged Hawk 16:35, February 26, 2011 (UTC)
 * Now we all know two real Thai singers are behind Meaw and that the unit has nothing to do with any vocal synthesizer. I personally think Meaw has no room in this wiki, all things having become clear. Damesukekun 18:30, February 27, 2011 (UTC)


 * Now why would Thai girls masquerade themselves as Vocaloids? I mean, what's the purpose? O Herman 20:26, February 27, 2011 (UTC)


 * All I know is that I was downtrodden over Meaw recently. I have 4 translators, one of which is you, telling me their not Vocaloids... And I'm told off for "being able to read" and believe what other people tell me. And given that they rely on google translations, I find translator and get things translated, they rely on their google translators and someone who is not great at translating rather then the information I go to all this effort to find someone to get done for them. And if I try to point out their mistakes when they make them, I'm told I'm whining? Heck, one member at VO forums disrespectfully just wrote two of my posts at VO forums regarding Meaw as "Stuff" and "more stuff" when I said myself their not Vocaloids and explained what they were.


 * Yeah... If I quit Vocaloid fandom, I quit the wikia, so I'm weighing up my options quite closely over this Damesukekun... Its part of the reason why I'm not making an effort right now on the wikia. Even if I get them translations, even if I make the information flow more free to find, what good does it do? I'm begining to think, that even going to you for information is pretty pointless right now. Its not just recently, its been happening for a few months now.


 * I think Meaw is only on the wikia right now to make the guys at VO forums happy. It was put up to explain what was confirmed, when nothing was confirmed? It stays because they won't believe a wikia anyway. :-( One-Winged Hawk 20:36, February 27, 2011 (UTC)


 * You have the truth. This is your biggest weapon and naysayers should not make you cower. Nothing is more solid a truth than a native Japanese doing the translation. And if the VO people FFFUUUs all over that, that's their problem; not yours, not Damesukekun's and definitely not mine. Our job here in the wikia is to present the facts about Vocaloid and to see to it that it becomes a major reliable source. As soon as we back up the fact it's not a vocaloid, you can slap that to their faces. O Herman 20:50, February 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * Can you contact the company? Evolotia 21:45, February 27, 2011 (UTC)


 * I think the contacting part might be a little difficult, not impossible mind you. One-Winged Hawk 22:01, February 27, 2011 (UTC)


 * Hey OH, let me tell you a story. Lol. ;-)


 * In the One Piece fandom... Theres one particular member who hates the wikia they have, to the degree he was using one of the top forums to run a campaigne against it. Many fans went to that forum to be fans, as I explained you can be a editor but you need somewhere to also be a fan otherwise you won't have a interest in the thing your following. The fact he kept insulting us, was one thing, but on Christmas day, I had a PM on the forums ordering me to fix a wikia page to how he wanted it to be, "because it was my job". I was angry at this, because I do editing because I want to, for fun, not for his sake. I finally broke the silence and told the admin what he was doing, we explained we're perfectly fine with him hating the wikia and that we actually don't mind it. Its just he kept attacking us whenever he was given the chance, and no one stopped him because they didn't notice that he was doing it. Basically, it was bullying, we also explained we're fine with him using his own website to do this sort of thing, but he was using their forum as a weapon, that sooner or later there would be a fall out and nobody wanted it.


 * The icing on the cake; the thing I was ordered to correct... It turns out, we were right and he was wrong on it. Oh wouldn't you know. Still, we were suggested to invite him onto the team, no chance, because when I refused to do what he asked of me on X-mas day he turned to vandalising the page and was banned. Oh dear what a shame... We could really do with such a valuable person like THAT. Lol, the thing is there is only so much information a single person can share, whereas a wikia opens up the door for EVERYONE to share, much more varied source with people of all talents. Thats the difference between him and us was. Sure, wikias are not always reliable, but then again, neither is relying on a single fan as a source of information. Its like a cake, one person can make a single great cake, but 50 people can make 50 different cakes at the same time, each with a slightly different result even if given the same insturctions.


 * Besides, everyone is roudy whenever theres a lack of release and things to look forward to, thus that doesn't help either. Its the same with all fandoms. Hype around releases... Kicking shins when theres not. Lol. One-Winged Hawk 21:59, February 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * lol so basically what I predicted is slightly right? These catgirls are human singers whose tweaked voices sound synthesized? -- Bunai82 (talk) 01:21, February 28, 2011 (UTC)


 * Well, all thats left to ask is "who wants to go smoke some fresh salmon under the bridge of "the silverlight lala" until NEXT time? Lol. ;-)


 * I'm sure this isn't the end of this. One-Winged Hawk 02:25, February 28, 2011 (UTC)


 * If it is true, linking them to the human vocaloid page would be fitting. -- Bunai82 (talk) 17:35, February 28, 2011 (UTC)

Well... There still is inconsistency who they are in Japanese fandom... Many believe the vocals are vocaloid-like/robotic processed human singers, but Kobayashi Onyx and Tripshots claim they are Vocaloids and keep silent about the Thai twins. Keep the article as it is for the time being. This event reminds me of troll Teto release - processed human singer first and then the real UTAU voicebank followed. One of my speculation is Meaw will be a real Vocaloid when the girls master Japanese. Just a speculation. Damesukekun 00:35, March 1, 2011 (UTC)


 * I understand.
 * But what bothers me is there is literally no proper information given by the company that created them, even when the other Vocaloids were taking a long time to be released the company made sure to keep the fandom updated on the process. I question if Meaw is from Yamaha program and instead a similar vocal synth is being used to create them, it certainly wouldn't be out of the question but still highly speculative. -- Bunai82 (talk) 17:50, March 1, 2011 (UTC)


 * Until that big new information blast comes out, we can't determine what they are. Meanwhile its pointless talking about Meaw with the guys at VO forums and we're better off just waiting for more information. Vocaloid 3 is coming soon... All the studios have been tuned into this since summer, thus we don't know yet what is coming. What we do know is there is a floodgate currently closed and waiting to open, is Meaw in the gate? I'm doubting it but keeping open thoughts. For all we know the CD was a "test the waters" moment. One-Winged Hawk 19:15, March 1, 2011 (UTC)

You okay?
I hope your fine despite the events in Japan. I think one of the VO forumers just reported your fine in all due course, but were stuck on a train or something. Good luck Damesukekun either way! One-Winged Hawk 14:29, March 11, 2011 (UTC)
 * Thank you, I live far off the devastated area and I'm all okay. Damesukekun 14:31, March 12, 2011 (UTC)


 * Good to hear. ;-)


 * Everyone was scrambling to find out the where abouts of the Producers and anyone else, celebs and people they know like you. Lets say, Japan's crisis hit the panic button in all directions. Glad your fine though, I'm glad things were not any worst then it was, the panic across the globe was enough as it was and some were asking "could it get any worst?". One-Winged Hawk 11:30, March 13, 2011 (UTC)

Twitters on Miku english
http://twitter.com/vocaloid_cv_cfm/status/48600754876989440 http://twitter.com/vocaloid_cv_cfm/status/48606688198135808

May I ask if you can translate these to twitters? I think I know what the second is talking about, but I would like some confirmation from someone who knows what is being said. The second one is properly the more interesting one here, am I correcting in stating their undecided on a Miku eng. Append is what is being said or something along those grounds? One-Winged Hawk 15:55, March 19, 2011 (UTC) The English version of Hatsune Miku is at the α stage currently, not at the β stage, so it takes time to release it. We are going to work on for qualified voice database. We will release reports when we have any progress. The second one says; Question: RT@sih5632 Nice to meet you! Do you have English Miku vocal variations (calm-sounding dark or whispering sweet or so on) ? Answer: We would like to develop them in the future, but we have no specific plan currently. Damesukekun 14:57, March 22, 2011 (UTC)
 * The first one says;


 * Thank you! :-D One-Winged Hawk 00:54, March 23, 2011 (UTC)

Kaito related twitters
来週、KAITO Append用音声の追加収録が決まりました. 久々に風雅さんとお会いします.

KAITOのプロジェクトが本格的に再開できそうな見込みなので、滞ってしまっていた諸案件についても急ぎ再調整させて頂きます.

Someone at Vocaloid Otaku wanted to know what is written here. Would you mind translating this please? One-Winged Hawk 09:50, April 5, 2011 (UTC) We have the pretty fair chance to reopen the KAITO (Append) project in full scale, so we rearrange the delayed items as quickly as possible. Damesukekun 14:27, April 5, 2011 (UTC)
 * The additional vocal recording for KAITO Append has fixed for next week. We are going to meet Fuuga-san after a long time.


 * Thanks. I'm not sure quite what the guys at VO forums are going to make out of those ones but I'll let them decide. Their still trying to figure out the latest message anyway after these ones. One-Winged Hawk 15:00, April 5, 2011 (UTC)

【現時点でのKAITO進捗状況】 収録した声の表情：全6種類、内、2種類は没、4種類は進行中（内、1種類はα版化済み）CVシリーズのような演技的な方向からのアプローチによる表情の違いではなく、声の響かせ方・声の張り・発声時の緊張感を調整して音色の異なる声を作っています.


 * Sorry, I guess this is important information here, but VO forums still rely on google translator. Their results are confusing. One-Winged Hawk 07:46, April 17, 2011 (UTC)

The vocal expressions recorded was six. Two of them have been killed and the others are on progress (one of them has completed alpha-version setting). We are creating various vocal colors by editing echo, forcefulness and tension unlike CV series, whose vocal colors are from the various vocal performance. Damesukekun 04:00, April 19, 2011 (UTC)
 * The current progress of Kaito


 * Hello,
 * I created a Vocaloid on Twitter page, I wanted to know if you could possibly add the English translation on the page? Mostly on Kaito, as that seems to be everyone's interest at the moment. -- Bunai82 (talk) 06:09, April 19, 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks you, there was some confusion over what most of this one meant, but everyone guessed for the most part what the first sentance was talking about. One-Winged Hawk 06:27, April 19, 2011 (UTC)

初音ミク、鏡音リンレン、巡音ルカ、新規男声ボカロなど、VOCALOID2 CVシリーズに関連する情報発信をするアカウントです. 尚、CVシリーズではありませんが、KAITOやMEIKOの開発情報に関してもこちらで取り扱いさせて頂いております. 担当:wat (佐々木)

Sorry, I'd ju8st like confirmation on some details, does this name the next CV series Vocaloid? A person just editor the wikia to add the name, I've also put the tweet up on VO forums to help quick this confirmed quickly. This sort of thing can get over hype too much and if wrong bad reactions. One-Winged Hawk 15:30, April 22, 2011 (UTC)

Mistranslations?
On the One Piece wikia, if we come across common or well known mistranslations, we add it as a footnote to explain why it is a mistranslation. Maybe a brief page note of such mistranslations would be better for the page?

I so do despise machine translators, their a joke more then anything. If you have 1 word to translated, their fine, if you have dozens, their rubbish. One-Winged Hawk 06:24, April 19, 2011 (UTC)

Urgent help needed
http://cu6ic.aikotoba.jp/index.html

Damesukekun, can you tell us what they are? I'm not going to ask you to translate everything, but it would be nice to know what they are about.

http://vocaloidotaku.net/index.php?/topic/17019-cu6ic/page__pid__361661__st__0&

Can you let the guys at VO forums know? One-Winged Hawk 17:34, April 24, 2011 (UTC)


 * Lol, that was quick, someone said what it was already, sorry for bothering you Damesukekun. One-Winged Hawk 18:09, April 24, 2011 (UTC)

New article for translating
http://www.itmedia.co.jp/news/articles/1104/15/news084.html

I was saying to Bunai as well, that I'll properly write up a translation list page, which will take stock/note of what articles have been translated and what are still waiting for translations. I be doing that some point this week. I don't know if it will make things easier, but can't hurt to at least spend some times making sure everythings done. One-Winged Hawk 06:49, April 30, 2011 (UTC) '''VY2, a Yamaha-genuine male Vocaloid will be released. We had an interview about the details of this new Vocaloid and let him sing readily with a background music created by GarageBand for iPad only.''' Yamaha has long been in the policy of offering its vocal synthesis technology VOCALOID to third parties, not in of distributing its own Voicebank. Female VOCALOID VY1, however, broke the practice last September with the selling style of mail-order at Bplats Vocaloid store only and with no avatar character. The company's male Vocaloid VY2 will be released on 25 April. The price is 11,800 yen. The Yamaha VOCALOID development team was interviewed about the details. His code name is Yuuma and his item is Wakizashi Nagimiso (なぎみそ) and Kazeno (風乃) undertook the illustration for VY2's package. Nagimiso drew two swords, Nagawakizashi (長脇差, Katana) and Wakizashi (脇差, short Katana or dagger). Kazeno drew the illustration for the inner sleeve, which was Japanese and SF styled with Tenshukaku (天守閣, Japanese castle tower) and two moons. Kimura Yoshikazu (木村義一) from Yamaha said they asked Nagimiso for a "handsome Katana" illustration. Other traditional Japanese items for a young man were also on their mind, but they chose Katana because other items would set the definite image on this new Vocaloid and they didn't like the idea. The VY2's code name was Yuuma, which reminds of a young Samurai. This Vocaloid has Katana and overlaps with Gakupo, who also has the same item. Yet Murakami Noboru (村上昇), the President of Internet Co. Ltd said yes to Yamaha. "Sounds good. Let them engage in a battle." was his comment and they reached the agreement amicably, maybe. VY2 is "a Vocaloid without avatar character" following VY1, but Kimira said, "We would like to hold a character contest for VY2." It is interesting to us what avatar character will be inspired from Wakizashi, Japanese-styled and handsome. Kimura also said he would like to hold a contest for VY1, too, with VY2. Feature and usability as a male VOCALOID Another demo song following to Asadoya Yunta (安里屋ユンタ, a folklore of Yaeyama Islands, Okinawa) is "Anata ni Hana o, Watashi ni Uta o" (貴方に花を 私に唄を, Flower for You, Song for Me) by Re:nG. We asked him to create the demo as one of the leading producers of male Vocaloids. The initial impression for the vocal was young, though a little husky at the same time. Koyama Masahiro (小山雅寛) from Yamaha said, "We didn't filter noise and made the voicebank natural-sounding." "Like VY1," Kimura said, "we valued fluency. We did anything we could do for user-friendliness." When recording VY1, illustrations were drawn on monotonous scripts (phonics for the Vocaloid recording), but VY2 scripts were without illustrations. The scripts used for the recording were exactly the same as VY1. They gave eel pie to the voice provider. They said the voice provider was still handsome when eating the pie. The provider is a young voice actor with several notable works. His name and age aren't disclosed. The only information is that he is the youngest of all the male voice provider. Net VocaListner and English VY series VY2's coming release was announced at Y2 AUTUMN 2010 in last fall. They made the comment that they would distribute VY2 by the end of that year. They were planning to attach Net VocaListner to VY2, which enables the natural-sounding vocal edit inputting a user's real singing. But the idea was abandoned. We asked why they gave up bundling it to VY2. Net VocaListener has two marketing directions - a simple, user-friendly tool for beginners or a professional computer music tool for advanced users. Tamura Motokazu (田邑元一) from Yamaha Development Research Center Y2 Project explained that they were considering which direction to adopt and the usage fee. Net VocaListener processes the parameters by the cloud computing, so Yamaha is discussing the fee system, either of monthly fee or lump-sum payment. User interface, which depends on target users - beginners or advanced users - is also on the agenda. Trying VY2 I had the chance to try VY2, so I report my impression. I installed VY2 on my Mac OS X via CrossOver Mac, still I had no trouble with Vocaloid2 infobox. The installed size was 732MB, almost the same as VY1. VY2 is the forth male Vocaloid2 on distribution, the others are Gakupoid, Hiyama Kiyoteru and Utatane Piko (excluded Kagamine Ren and Gachapoid). The main vocal range is set between Gakjupoid and Kiyoteru. Kimura said C2 is the best. C2 is quite a low tone even for a male Vocaloid and most male Vocaloid except for Gakupoid cannot generate the tone clearly. Yet VY2 can generate C2 strong. How nice. What a handsome voice. The term handsome matches his voice, too. His voice is not similar to any other male Vocaloid and sounds clear and forceful, because the voice provider is young. We let him sing a song for a demo. The demo song was "Toki no sugi yuku mama ni" (時の過ぎ行くままに, As Time Goes By) by Sawada Kenji (沢田研二). I tried to let other male Vocaloids sing this song but none of them could do well and I gave up doing. VY1 has the reputation for its fluency and Yamaha processed VY2 to be fluency, too. His voice don't have unwanted qualities. I can say his vocal is the best of all the male Vocaloids both in vowel and consonant generating. I used the default parameters with no DYN and PIT changes. (The following sentence seemed unnecessary for non-Japanese readers so I omitted it.) To be critic, あa with れre becomes げge, but you can solve the problem by dividing tracks or modifying tone length. The background song was created by only the sounds installed on Garageband for iPad. (http://blogs.itmedia.co.jp/closebox/2011/04/garageband-for--4ba7.html) I did it on purpose, because VY2 for iPad will be released, too. As of VY1, iVOCALOID-VY1t for iPhone and iVOCALOID-VY1 for iPad are already released with the original package for Windows. They are preparing to release the same versions of VY2 by this summer. When iVOCALOID-VY2 is distributed, you can create a song using Garageband on iPad and VY2 on iPad, too, and mix the song using your Macintosh. Once the data uploading between the applications which do not share compatibility now becomes available, you will be able to create a song using iPad, iPhone and Vocaloids on Windows.
 * His code name is Yuuma (勇馬, brave horse). Interview about this "handsome" Yamaha-genuine Vocaloid VY2.
 * They are discussiing English VY series as well, both male voicebank and female voicebank. They say they are going to decide whether they just utilize the large amounts of databese they already have, process and modify the databese or record new voicebanks. The Vocaloid platform itself gets updated day by day and voicebanks also need modifications, so they seem to have the intension to make new voicebank.
 * Done. Damesukekun 05:36, May 3, 2011 (UTC)


 * Oh don't worry, I'm not rushing you here. I don't care if you take a week or a month or even a century, lol. ;-) One-Winged Hawk 23:16, May 2, 2011 (UTC)

Question...
Do you know if the "SF-A2" in miki's name means anything Damesukekun? One-Winged Hawk 06:11, May 11, 2011 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I've made a research but have no idea about that. Damesukekun 04:46, May 12, 2011 (UTC)


 * Thats okay, thanks for that much, at least we know its not an obivous solution. One-Winged Hawk 05:49, May 12, 2011 (UTC)

Translations again
Sorry Demsukekun, I've been occupied the last week for one reason or anther. I was updating the MikuMikuDance page to try and get the message across about MMD violations being wrong and all, may I ask if there is anything else to note there? I didn't want to explain why its wrong to pass models around without premission too much because I don't quite know 100% why its bad beyond the trust matter which is easy to explain to an english reader anyway. Right now, I think its more important that information is got out that they just shouldn't do what they are doing and fill in the missing bits later.

I'm sorry for collecting these up as well, I usually kept an eye on things via VO forums but its currently down due to malware.

http://twitter.com/#!/vocaloid_cv_cfm/status/61040599524057088

http://twitter.com/#!/vocaloid_cv_cfm/status/68179987999629312

http://twitter.com/#!/vocaloid_cv_cfm/status/68183188400381952

http://twitter.com/#!/vocaloid_cv_cfm/status/68236136937553920

I'm working on the proper "translation check" page later to see what translations are around. One-Winged Hawk 14:33, May 13, 2011 (UTC) We are recording Kaito vivid and solid～power vocal libraries not with a standard microphone such as U87ai or so but with the latest equipments through trials and errors. I will adjust the current situation at the meeting with Yamaha tomorrow, and I hope I could announce the current development of Kaito, whose demos are suspended, as soon as possible. (I am really sorry for this slowness.) Brainstorming in pause: To begin with, we have to consider more the image to Miku those who came to know her through ads first have and those her fans on the web have, checking the different nationalities between the United States and Japan. Our center aim is, we are stressing the opinion "Hatsune Miku as a virtual singer". Is this okay or not? Thank you for your information. We will look up the situation. RT @CatandCloud The Facebook page of Toyota USA has the Miku special link. It says "Who is Miku?" but the link is dead. Do you know it?
 * "kaitoのvividや";
 * "明日のヤマハさんとの";
 * "ブレスト小休止中";
 * "情報有り難うございます";


 * Thanks for the translations. I keep having other tasks come up to fix with the wikia right now so everythings slow. One-Winged Hawk 21:22, May 14, 2011 (UTC)

I'm sorry...But I need a little help.
Hello~!

I’m rather new to the UTAU scene and have just finished recording my first UTAUloid, and I need a little help with her name. I don’t want to offend, misspell or just generally get it wrong. Her original name was “Chiyo Ikitene” which the poor internet translator I used was translated as "A thousand generations of sound” but I don’t trust this translation very much, and would have no idea of how to write this in Japanese Characters, due to me being a British user and not familiar with the Japanese language. I wanted to know if this was correct, and if not, How could I change the name but keep the meaning? I really dont mind her name being completely changed to fit this meaning.

I’d really appreciate it if you could help me.

Default picture
Thats fine I'll delete the image just to be safe anyway, I hardly know the MMD software itself and only used it a few times when I did have a go at it and only really looked at the Miku model. Even then I did it to get a screenshot, but we had one already of what I was after it turned out, this was some while ago. -_-' One-Winged Hawk 18:28, May 22, 2011 (UTC)

Question?
how do you find a list of NND Hall of Fame, the videos with 1,000,000 views? I'm trying to look at replace all the current video lists with just one list of the famous songs. ITs easier to maintain and avoids all those dodgey videos completely. Plus I can finally get a notice on the wikia for users to behave in Japan's NND. One-Winged Hawk 07:15, May 23, 2011 (UTC)

creator of mmd
Where is the information about him retiring? I am quite surprised. -- Bunai82 (talk) 17:00, May 28, 2011 (UTC)


 * This went on wikipedia earlier, I hung around to see if anyone in the MMD community reacted to it but everyone's slow over here it seems. If no one said anything I was going to remove it from wikipedia. One-Winged Hawk 17:05, May 28, 2011 (UTC)


 * I was invited to Nyappon the other day and I read his blog there. Damesukekun 17:10, May 28, 2011 (UTC)


 * Okay, thanks. Was it for a specific reason? -- Bunai82 (talk) 18:07, May 28, 2011 (UTC)


 * I don't know. He gave no specific clue on the blog. Damesukekun 01:24, May 29, 2011 (UTC)

Curiousity related question
http://engloid.web.fc2.com/index.html

Someone at VO would like to know what this is about.

http://z8.invisionfree.com/VocaloidOtaku/index.php?showtopic=13344&st=0&#entry2065391

Any chance you can tell Sleepy what this is? One-Winged Hawk 07:22, May 29, 2011 (UTC)

http://z8.invisionfree.com/VocaloidOtaku/index.php?showtopic=13344&st=0&#entry2065421 Damesukekun 14:18, May 29, 2011 (UTC)
 * They are planning to make Doujin works of Engloids for Vocaloid M@ster 17 on September.

And another Twitter Translation
I apologise for this;

http://twitter.com/#!/vocaloid_cv_cfm/status/13408344345673729

Can you translate this? Their relying on Bebel translation this time it seems, which is even worst then google translator. >_<' One-Winged Hawk 07:25, May 29, 2011 (UTC)


 * The progress level of each Vocaloid will be described as MEIKO > LUKA >> KAITO, judging by the voicebank recording progress. As of Meiko alone, we already made a consumer test with 8,000 scale people and we received a positive response, so we are not so worried about changing her platform from Vocaloid1. Only core Vocaloid users and listeners, though, will be for our optimistic opinion currently. Damesukekun 14:18, May 29, 2011 (UTC)


 * It goes Kaito first, then Luka then Meiko right? Or have I got that round the wrong way? One-Winged Hawk 14:29, May 29, 2011 (UTC)


 * Meiko comes first, then Luka follows. Kaito is far off behind of them. Damesukekun 15:37, May 29, 2011 (UTC)


 * In maths terms ">" always reflects the the largest over the smallest with the point at the largest amount, but some use it as arrows pointing direction... Thats where I get confused. I always think of it as a "greater then" symbol... >_<' One-Winged Hawk 15:46, May 29, 2011 (UTC)


 * No problem, some Japanese use math marks to cut words. It's a kind of Japanese internet slang. I'm a math teacher and this misuse really annoys me, too. Damesukekun 23:22, May 29, 2011 (UTC)

SailorEarth
The matter has gotten silly, she had the oppotunity to speak to us, I kept clearing the air for her to talk...

She is her own worst enemy, but this was an issue for her and the modders to resolve. Yeah, they needed help sending her a message but this... Its sort of the point where all the trolls harrassing her crossed the line. I can't stress that though she deserved punishment for all her actions in the end, but not in this. I know how the net works, but when the Encyclopedia Dramatica wikia is pulled into the frame, then its pretty much gone overboard. :-/

They don't even side with us since they put Vocaloid down anyway. The whole sites really just an excuse to condemn a set of individuals on the net, made worst by the fact she showed her face in her videos. I can't say she was a bright spark because she fed all those trolls attacking her.

I apologise Damesukekun, I'm on the supporting side of the MMD model producers here, but not on the supporting side of the trollers here. I think... If she is bright she'll just disappear. I don't even think there time left for her to talk to us now. I don't know, she was against talking to the wikia, but wikia staff have duties to protect editors. I'd made sure at least she got the time to speak, I mean I gave Ricardo the chance, okay he LIED to us. I still gave him the chance... And worst the Vocaloid wikia is used as cannon fire when its suppose to be trying to stay neutral. This really is all a pain.

Bunai's handled this the best out of the staff members, I appaulled Bunai for that. O Herman... Ack... He is on the side of the trolls it seems. I don't know, on VO he called her a cancer that needed to be cut out. Even the guys at VO forums attacked him for calling her that. And the worst part is in all of this, but her listing on Encyclopedia Dramatica, the trolls have now bcome far, far, far worst then she is. I don't give any love towards her, since this was her own fault... Still, at least the MMD model producers got *some* justice. I don't know if they appricate this though... Really, someone should have challenged her quoting of the laws and actually taking her to court, it would have been a better example as it would have been proof you just can't twist the laws like this to justify breaking them. And, we would have had a case scenario to warn other MMD users with. We can't even link to Encyclopedia on this wikia, it doesn't allow it. The results are USELESS in sending a message to the other MMD rule breakers. :-/ One-Winged Hawk 06:18, May 31, 2011 (UTC)


 * I also want to thank you for clearing the Blacklists talk pages, I think its best to avoid as little oppotunities for this to happen again. One-Winged Hawk 06:21, May 31, 2011 (UTC)


 * I won't hide it, I have very thin tolerance for people like her. Harsh as it may seem, she really deserve what she got. Sorry guys, but she's beyond redemption, and you can see it with your two eyes that she is. I would've held back if she was sincere and knew her wrongdoings, but in this case, she knows she's wrong (or pretending to be on the good side) and is thrashing everyone else who contradicts her. Seriously, she is a person you wouldn't want walking around. O Herman 06:50, May 31, 2011 (UTC)


 * Yeah, now theres no where for her to hide! They have literally posted every speck of information they can grab on her! Now she can't even walk away! I just looked at the ED page again, its exploded over night. O Herman, your words throughout this are disappointing... I will note here though O Herman, I hate to say it but you've come very close to over stepping the line in all of this. I won't hold you against what your actions are outside of the Vocaloid wikia because different sites have different communities and what goes on in VO, Vocaloidism and this wikia stays in those respective sites... But even then, posting her name on the main page was bad enough... One-Winged Hawk 06:58, May 31, 2011 (UTC)


 * So explain ultimately: Why shouldn't we reveal her name (as in the handle she uses) here when it is general knowledge she has been involved in discrepancies? How will the people know who just tuned in right now that this person did this and that?
 * Without telling names, our blacklist could be questioned. This is one thing I don't understand about you; her actions are now general knowledge, and yet you still want to protect her. O Herman 07:09, May 31, 2011 (UTC)


 * I'm NOT protecting her, I'm seperating the wikias involvement in this because some idiot decided we should become canon fuel. If her name remains on the blacklist we'll end up being used over and over again. I only give sympathy for the ED listing, nothing more and nothing less. Really, we don't get links to MMD PVS that often and I'll keep an eye out myself for hers anyway. Please respect the desire to get the wikia out of this position we've been put in, it sort of goes agains the wikia staff's guidelines. If not for the ED listing, her name could have stayed, this is why I stress this has now gone too far in the wrong direction. I'd gladly have left the name on if say, it went to a court of law. The way people are using us I stress takes us out of neutral stance. I know you dislike her O Herman, but your in the staffing of two wikias that I know of at least. You must be aware of these things yoruself. I don't want to start an arguement here I note, I just want to make sure we're doing what we're suppose to. >_< One-Winged Hawk 08:06, May 31, 2011 (UTC)


 * All right, point taken that you are not protecting her, good.
 * However, if you ask me, IMO, the vocaloid wikia will remain neutral even if we put her name on it. Never had such problems back in UTAU though, it also acted as a potent deterrent. No one's arguing here, I'm just giving my two cents. If the wikia here wants neutrality, by all means I will respect that. But don't cut off the blacklist's fangs and teeth, that's all I ask. O Herman 08:16, May 31, 2011 (UTC)


 * Could you (Angel Emfbl) or Bunai send e-mail to her again saying she has the chance of one-week period to explain herself? If she doesn't reply to us at all, I think we can blacklist her by name again. Damesukekun 08:59, May 31, 2011 (UTC)