Talk:Flower/@comment-64.222.113.219-20190411181337/@comment-53539-20190411191229

I don't think anyone disagrees with English voicebanks in Englih, in fact we welcome them. The issue is... Eh... Don't expect much, a good HQ English voicebank takes time and few Japanese companies have made one. The current "English" she produces isn't very good. Ultimately, it would half depend as well as good she is doing in Japan, and their more likely to add tones then languages.

I don't think the people who say "she looks like a boy, therefore 'trans'" know their being offensive. They just feel anyone objecting to their headcanon are the ones being offensive to them. Its often from my experience of issues even in real life, that if an issue impacts someone they rush to defend it. And these days on the internet, you have the whole "social justice warrior" mentality. So people can jump on you over the slightest thing they feel is wrong, half the time they only ever do it to look good and make you look bad without understanding the issues behind a subject. This is what basically has been happening, but in reality they don't even realise some of them how offensive they are being.

Generally headcanons are worthless, since they mean nothing to the canon. Its a pity there are people out there who cannot accept that Flower is female. The other issue is so many people have the same headcanon, it feels like no one at times perhaps is even trying to accept the canon at times, but this is a minor issue and I have not much complaints at it. Their not the problem at all. The issue mostly falls onto the head of people unwilling to accept she isn't trans, they want her to be trans, therefore she is. ITs all pathetic in the end, but does reflect the individual. As I keep saying, in real life, you can't force a person to be want you want them to be, but people will approach fictional characters with liberties. But even those who headcanon and yet accept her as canonical female are still falling victim to being unintentionally offensive, as their still stereotyping.

As I said, a lot of it has to do with representation.

We've had 70 or so Vocaloids and all have been cut-line male or female. While none have had their sexuality revealed, their all catering to the majority "XX and XY" clean cut definition. So it can seem like there is no representation.

But then again, 3 sets of "twins" (if you want to give them all "twin" status) to me is a little bit of an over representation, given twins are rare. However, twins account for about 3 out of every 100, so the number isn't unfair. With LGBTs the amount of % varies per study, with some claiming 1 in 3 are gay and others only 5%. I tend to think 1 in 3 is too high and it likely represents the total LGBT. In short either way by now we should have 1 or 2 majority representations of LGBT clear and we don't in any way. While Leon and Lola were black, it took until Cyber Songman to have a proper black singer with an "avatar", be it unofficial, yet blacks have had some of the highest influences on music particularly during the 1900s. So out of the Vocaloids, 5 are true "black singers" and there is a tendency's even among Japanese due to their culture favouring lighter tones for studios to make Vocaloids with lighter tones.

So as you can see, fair representation among the Vocaloids is absent and pretty much most of what has been produced for Vocaloid is for a majority market. No studio produces Vocaloids for charity, their all for profit, and the best way to do that is not to be experimental too much, and give mostly what fans have gotten. This is why so many Vocaloids are female among the Japanese alone. So the fans can want a transgender Vocaloid and I feel their trying to force at times that ideal on Flower, even though she isn't. This headcanon may even be relieved in the future if a proper trans is produced, but that may never come.

The biggest issue is... Like those wanting an update to Piko... As I said, the demand is there... But the likelihood is nobody would buy Piko who is asking for it. And if that happened it would hurt Piko more then it helped. If a trans was released, but because of discrimination or whatever other unfortunate reason occurred... Then it may put off studios making more. As someone once said as to why Disney has yet to produce a proper LGBT character on the big screen, the issue is nobody among the animation studios, from Disney to Warner, wants to expose kids to this sort of thing for fear of backlash. This sort of behaviour always encourages further studios to stick with what works... And again... within Vocaloid we're seeing this time and time again with CFM being the worst at times.