Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-25563055-20141024231726/@comment-53539-20160525145359

Okay more response;

Difference between Len and Oliver; one is voiced by a 13 year old boy, the other a woman trying to be a boy with success that varies per voicebank ( English Len and V2 Act1 being the least masculine). Blond hair is about the only thing they share. Other then that... Their outfits take inspiration from sailor suits, the choir outfit Olive'rs is base on does, Len's school uniform alo does, but they are independent inspirations/random chance.

Are you confusing the bass pitch for bass vocal? Its two different things if so. This refers to layering. Most vocals have 2 or 3 pitches, the main, treble and bass, each usually done on a different scale of octave. The samples are overlapped/blended to create the effect of the vocal as you use it on the interface. This allows also some vocals to be very different high and low. If the vocalist has recorded a softer bass range, or a strong treble, then the entire vocal may be impacted as vocaloid has to do some maths to make it blend (note; everything is worked out with maths in Vocaloid, even done to XSY).

"Bass" vocalists refers to their core singing expertise, for example Elvis Presley was a baritone/tenor, which meant if he tried to do any range outside of that he sucked more, but within those ranges he was super good. Female vocalists are usually either alto, soprano, contrello (I can't spell it for beans, sorry) or mezzo-soprano. While males usually do bass, baritone, alto (usually when they are younger though and it usually disappears post puberty) and tenor. Children are often around the Alto range or soprano.

The closet males can get to the female range is to go falsetto, which means they will sacrifice tone control over pitch. Females can do it too, but prepare for squeaky or childish results and many refuse to accept its true falsetto (despite science proving its the same thing) and its often mistaken for head-voice. There are oddball vocalists who don't always comply with this (for example, women who take testosterone cause their voicebank to expand - this is not reversible, but their vocal become more masculine).

Miku is usually pitched at Soprano (V2) or Mezzo-soprano. She is not a bass vocal, while vocaloids like Big Al does Tenor- bass.

Len's a high vocal, his lows are weaker then his highs. Gackpo is low (baritone/tenor mostly), his highs are weaker then his lows. Its like people who try and claim Piko's lows are good, their not. Len can't really imitate low too much, since female vocalists are limited to higher octaves mores, its all in the voicebox and the voicebox of most men are larger. Even if you do claim he is a male vocal and not female, there is implications here as the voice is not soft enough for pre-pubtery and not deep enough for post.

You see a lot of it boils down to the recommended tempo range which tells you what a vocaloid can do, and the more further a vocaloid goes outside of that recommended range the worst it is. This counts as both high and low ranges alike. The reason is, its because Vocaloid itself has to fill in blanks more and more. The larger voicebox allows men to have deeper vocals, while girls are stuck with a smaller high pitched vocal. Also male vocals often end up rougher, even if its only slightly, and its a main feature that females often lack (but not unheard of). So you won't get female samples that are too deep compared to the potential of male vocaloids.. Then again you can't always get the height of the females with the males.

On the "do it all"...There isn't even a Japanese vocal that can do it all... I don't think they want a english that can do it all. If I had to guess, I'd say the closet they have is Ia, but the trouble is every vocaloid vocal is recorded in monotone. =_=

You can still get serial codes for V2s. You just have to know whom to turn to, CFM for example or Zero-G. Not all vocaloid studios offered it, since they have better vocals and these odes are usually limited. Its like with V1, when all are used it, their gone.

14 is still pretty young... you are older enough to know common sense, but naive enough to still be innocent. I have no issues with it I'm 32 and I was pretty much once like you. We all go through it, though I was lightly more studious then average (I was making up for dyslexia, though I didn't know I had it at the time). Give you a few years and your be very different. I don't complain about age on the internet, when I started out I had a lot of nerd fights with late teenagers and adults... At least your still room to learn and time to remove bias and stubborn things... Some of those nerds in 1998-2004 were too prude and "stuck in their ways"

I'm sorry if I make long posts, Engloid are my forte and I have a lot of passion myself here. i'd rather take someone and guide them on the path to better understanding to be fair. I do not enjoy belittle other fans. Thats why I said you need to step back and learn some things, your still basing things on face value, rather then reading. We're used to it. I've seen worst comments made on youtube and bitter people on Deviantart who hen you point out their wrong on something flat out refuse to look it up. If you're here, then I view it as you want to interact with the fandom and learn things.

I think right now, you just need to get sound on the thing you do like... As me and others have pointed out, your trying to discuss Engloids, but you have only face value knowledge, which means you can easily make mistakes. And on forums like the wikias, you get deeper discussions, people tend to nerd-it-out and debate/share opinions. ITs the same for most forums. Though blog and comments are for more casual conversations.