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May 12, 2012
Wow, teenage girl vocaloid: this is SO not orignal.

I'm sure that lots of them will be totally unfamous, we have a lot of teeage girls voices already, we don't need more becuase they sound really similar, this looks like a shoujo contest for horny otakus or shoujo fangirls.

Obviously they will sound pretty realistic, becuase it's vocaloid 3 engine, but what happend to the variety?:

Mature voices, MALE voices (we have like 20 teenage girls around 16,but no even one 16 years old boy), all the V3 japanase vocaloids are girl!ALL OF THEM!,...at least we deserve new kind of designs: most of the new vocaloids looks like they are using the "Miku Formula".

Companies are trying to sell us moe design, a lot of "fans" are only interested on that, now the vocaloids even come with a "personality" or something like that:

WAKE UP!,this is not a shoujo anime, they are not anime characters, Vocaloid is a software: I miss the old vocaloid, the good one.
 * —Preceding unsigned comment added by 186.54.132.157 (talk • contribs) 18:16, May 12, 2012

Gez, take it easy...isn't that a little harsh? =/
 * —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.131.208.93 (talk • contribs) 01:26, May 13, 2012

The answer to your question is here:
 * —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dizzyzebra (talk • contribs) 02:20, May 13, 2012

Wow, I guess a Vocaloid that is the evil sister of a fairy Vocaloid isn't very original. Saying that a teenage female Vocaloid isn't original is like saying a teenage pop star isn't an original concept. Also male Vocaloids aren't so original because they've been created so many times.

The only reason why there are so many female voicebanks is because male voicebanks don't sell as well, in fact they usually fail and the male Vocals usually don't sound as great to the people (they seem to be really hard to make).

Kaito was a commerial failure. Do you know who Tony is? Most of the male Vocals get less than 1,000 videos uploaded on Nico Nico Douga. It's all about marketing what the people want, and they want female vocals to use! They don't want to go bankrupt and never produce Vocaloids again! It's also like they aren't going to release a male vocal, you just have to have patience. You're seriously acting like they've stopped making Vocaloids!

They make the designs cute not for horny otakus and shojo fangirls, that's actually the most ignorant and stupid thing I've ever seen from someone. They use cute anime designs because it will catch people's eye and get them interested. People judge books by their cover whether you like it or not, that's society and the audience is society. Leon, Lola, Kaito, Meiko, and Sweet Ann didn't have those "cute" designs and they were failures, people didn't give them a chance! They didn't catch people's eye. Hatsune Miku had a "cute" design and she became an instant hit, so that's what these companies are doing.

Some companies are making personalities for the Vocaloid so they are trying new ideas and are making the Vocaloid even more interesting helping it sell more, and it can actually help producers think of the kind of songs to make with the Vocaloid.

If you think that design doesn't matter why are you complaining about the designs? Also if you buy that "Miku Formula" bullcrap get the fuck out! The fandom doesn't need anymore stupid ignorant fans that think that Miku is the only Vocaloid and every Vocaloid is just a copy. It's not like Miku was the first character to have leggings, skirts, and long hair, in fact Miku's design is totally unoriginal because there are tons of characters with long ponytails with unatural colored hair, sailor fuku inspired outfits, boots, girls wearing ties, and stripes on the skirt's edges.

Speaking of designs what about Mew, Mayu, Oliver, IA, Yuzuki, Tone, Lapis, Bruno, and Clara? They have really original designs and the companies that produced them decided to use new ideas. If those designs aren't original I don't want to know what a copy is.

If you are really concerned stop whining like a child on a new Vocaloid's Wiki page and buy male Vocaloids or cry to YAMAHA about it. If you miss the orignal Vocaloids so much go sulk about it by listening to them and ignore the new releases, nobody is stopping you from doing that.
 * —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.51.68.116 (talk • contribs) 03:09, May 13, 2012

Hm, have you read the whole Miku formular article? You seem to have got completely the wrong gist.
 * —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dizzyzebra (talk • contribs) 07:32, May 13, 2012

@186.54.132.157; the western Vocaloid market is not the same as Japan, Miku's vocals are not as attractive in the west for example.

"thepagewhosenameshallnotbespoken" pretty much set up to explain why. When you consider Ring, who has similair traits to Miku even in her original design, has some similairties to Miku and she was picked out of hundreds, you pretty much can tell that, yes, the design is popular with Japanese Otaku. Its to do with their cultrure that has built up since the 80's.

@75.51.68.116; by commerical failures, strickly speaking, on 1 of the V1's was a failure, Kaito and Leon/Lola failed only in America. Meiko is known to have sold 3,000 units, the benchmark is 1,000 for failure, Kaito sold 500 units. Kaito only became a hit AFTER Miku and even then it was because he was the only solid vocal (prior to Gakupo mid 2008).

We know that Prima and Sonika were in Zero-G's top 50 products for last year at 9th and 13th place, both therefore are this years success stories at Zero-G.

Even then, Miku owes much of her success to NND's list of memes. While they had over 3,000+ pre-orders for her, she sold 40,000+ in her first year, most of the sales came after her release. Prior to hitting pre-release, her marketing is the same as Meiko and Kaito (with the exception Kaito had a naming competition).

While Miku is the big success story, do note that it is very tempting to focus on the vocaloid craze since the success and ignore eitehr anything that went before it or that had gone on alongside it.
 * —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.121.19.113 (talk • contribs) 12:29, May 13, 2012

^

I agree with 213. ^-^
 * —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dizzyzebra (talk • contribs) 13:37, May 13, 2012

Merli doesn't have age, voice, or design yet. All we know is she's dark and older.
 * —Preceding unsigned comment added by 157.14.204.231 (talk • contribs) 03:31, May 16, 2012

1. Nobody said she was a teenager.

2. You can't say her design is moe yet. It hasn't even been revealed.

3. If there were more male Vocaloids, people would complain about them, and then say that there's not enough females. Works both ways. :P

4. Well there's supposed to be a new "boy VB" in recording stage at the moment... ( Read that on Vocaloidism. )
 * —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.219.240.75 (talk • contribs) 03:39, May 17, 2012