Talk:Nekomura Iroha (VOCALOID2)/@comment-2607:FCC8:66C6:F200:710F:D7D8:D9B6:864E-20180417182325/@comment-53539-20180417220907

His been trained to use a more falsetto-like vocal or even just to change pitch. However, there are some basic traits that leak over even into Iroha that are more masculine, the same is said for Len and Ryuto.

A lot of people take pitch itself as souly for a logical "gender" association as females tend to be higher pitched and males lower. However, due to the size of the adam's apple, a male vocal has more moisture often in it. There are other things to consider, such as origin (African vocals can be lower pitched then Asian). During puberty, the male vocal cord grows larger then females in general and the growth is not possible to reverse. There is operations offer to cut the cord down to size.

Its also possible for this to impact females. Females who abuse steroids and other strength enhancers also run the risk of getting so much male hormones in their systems their voiceboxes mimic the growth of a males and grows too... The boobs also flatten and the female clitoris lengths to become a little bit penis-like.

The only exceptions to these rules are related to hormones during pubety or as a result of halth problems (cancer can impact hormone release and so can extreme weight gain).

Its a very complex subject to discuss and when I brought it up previously... Some people took it the wrong way. There is a limitation to Iroha's ability to sound female as Len has to sound male, and the more you push Iroha the more you can get her to sound masculine. I don't note this here, because it is a touchy subject for some and not worth the risk. Whereas with Len... For some reason people accept it more. To put it shortly, the issue is the provider considers them "female", whereas Len's provider has never called herself anything but "female".

I honestly don't see what is worth worrying about, the voice is ranked among the best of Vocaloid2's range so its all that matters. At the end of the day, other then it being not behaving as an authentic female vocal should do, the voice is fine. But this is a more complex subject to discuss, voicebanks behaviour itself and not everyone knows how it impacts a vocal. To be fair, most buy her because she is Iroha, and don't tend to always worry about the provider. Its no different to if you buy the Kagamines for Len even though he isn't a true masculine vocal.

Other then you calling them a "he", there isn't much else to say, the provider's not considered a "he" anymore to themselves so it can be a touchy subject also to call them that.

The newer voicebank in V4 is more feminine, its either done in true falsetto, the provider's box has been cut, or the training in sounding more convincing. I think this is likely made to address the odd traits that leaked over from the boy-ish gender issues or just to show how the provider has improved. Its not stated.