Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-3076833-20141017184700/@comment-53539-20171109205710

1.132.109.203 wrote: UberMillennium RailgunPro wrote: Angel Emfrbl wrote:

165.155.200.74 wrote:

Angel Emfrbl wrote: This is no rule that says you have to use English on this wikia, though the poster needs to be aware that this is an English wikia,. Ergo the default language everyone talks is English and we normally can only respond in English. We made this clear early on as the Vocaloids come in 5 languages and each is just as legit as each other. My fault Angel... Wait, I can say Chinese in this Wikia?

@Nebulous: *Spamming cursings at that translation*

-UberMillennium RailgunPro/VocaloidDefender Yes. Unless someone revokes it, its still in force today... It was a rule made in V3's era when information was desperate and we needed people to speak up any way possible about any errors we have. Its not perfect as rules go, but the alternative was to have them silent.

The only regard one has to take, is anyone who uses this language advantage has to be aware nobody can answer back, possibly, because of the English speaking wikia and all that.. Though rules about words (curse words, rudeness, etc) still would enforce.

@GOAt, yes, its true, she is THE most popular... Believe me, its really hard to accept it, but her popularity is world wide. People who hate her in the Vocaloid fandom are a minority overall, I'm not saying she isn't hated too world wide, but you often find the ones who really hate her hate Vocaloid altogether. The other thing to know is that while there are many fans who dislike Miku, note their love for other vocaloids is spread thin across all of them, which is where the problem lays. Not everyone who hates Miku, like Len, Gumi, Sonika, Maika, etc. This means even at her worst, she is most popular simple because of our divided opinions on the other vocaloids. Most vocaloids are "meh" or "average" to a lot of people, plus there is a great deal of bias to huge chunks of the Vocaloid lineup, such as entire languages voided or companies. Some view the Japanese as the only "true Vocaloid" because they have it in their head some strange thing about Vocaloid... I stopped trying to understand things like this a long time, since it gave me a headache. I don't call fans stupid, but some ideas we have in our fandom are stupid.

And that is the simple problem on the matter, Miku's popular is basically because she has more people united for her then any other Vocaloid... Heck... Even some non-Vocaloid fans like her since not everyone knows actually what Vocaloid is in 2017... Sad isn't it??? @ Angel: I wans't even close to curse.

@ Angel & GOAT: Yeah, seriously, the fandom on Miku is overloaded like  MIKU IS THE BEST, MIKU IS SUPERIOR THAN OTHERS. I wish CFM change "Miku Expo" to "CFM Expo" or something like that to make her less fandomish. Really? I see more people say "Len or Rin is the best" than Miku. and I don't see people said " Miku is superior than other". If you mean "I like Miku", it's because they like Miku, or it's their favourite vocaloid (Everyone is allowed to have a favourite vocaloid) This is a little bit of a odd thing, but its a simple case of the Kagamine fans have always been the loudest members of the fandom, mostly because of the audience they attract. The Kagamines more or less attract the tween-mid teen age group, which on the net tend to be a very active part of any fandom. Whereas Miku attracts manga/anime fans in general (basically any age from tween-young adult, the age group is much wider). Its also why the Kagamine fans have a bad reputation among the rest of the fandom... They also don't change... They are still discussing the same subjects they have done since 2007, like their "relationship".

So they may seem really popular, but they do not succeed Miku. Lets put it this way, Avanna was the most successful Zero-G vocaloid at the time of her release, nobody knew this because her fandom presence was low. Meanwhile, SeeU had a strong presence but didn't do so well as she was popular, doing better in Japan then Korea and still doing bad overall.

So this is the problem, we get this a lot in Vocaloid, a vocaloid being a hit with the fans, but the sales or true popularity aren't the same. Every time a poll is done in Japan, the only Vocaloid most seem to have heard of was Miku. In 2009, she was everywhere in Japan, especially in Tokyo. No other vocaloid has had the same success or popularity since. Its why Japan sent Miku "into the world" to sell Vocaloid, instead of showing off any of the English vocaloids, because "Miku is the most popular"... The way she was sold also gave the impression Vocaloid had never touched northern American soil, when the truth was far from it, since Leon and Lola failed to impact America "back in the day".

In fact, Miku's bid for the west led to a lot of misgivings about her since some of the credit she got was actually done first by western Vocaloids. The way CFM sold her, however, was to do things like word things in a way that they failed to acknowledge Sweet Ann as the first V2, for example. This remains today, as Miku is the most popular vocaloid and still is sold just as that... But she still isn't the best vocaloid. I said to Viper I believe that some of the problems reported for her Chinese voicebank are in her other V4 vocals, but you can't really talk about it. People can be snappy, unless you have "proof the faults exist". Whereas with something like the Kagamines, everything is known about their faults therefore people just accept they were bad in V2.