User talk:O Herman

Hi, welcome to Vocaloid Wiki! Thanks for your edit to the Fanmade Vocaloids page.

Please leave a message on my talk page if I can help with anything! -- VocaloidHirokiHatsune (Talk) 09:30, 23 March 2009

Voice Configuration?
How do I create a Voice Configuration page?

All entries in Fanmade Vocaloids are expected to have a voice configuration. Basically, it is the parameters to achieve the voice of the character from the vocaloid program. O Herman 05:49, October 31, 2009 (UTC)

But how do I... um.. create a page for it? I'm still very new

inappropriate edits
Thanks for informing me. The watchlist system here is really unreliable. Only dead fish go with the flow. 19:19, October 31, 2009 (UTC)

new Vocaloids
Five - count 'em, five - new Vocaloids are set to be released. Of those five, three have cover art and demos released. It's going to be a hell of a lot of work to update this when all of them are finally out... Only dead fish go with the flow. 06:02, November 18, 2009 (UTC)
 * Don't make things hard for yourself, you could create their pages now, since they are confirmed for release. :P O Herman 06:07, November 18, 2009 (UTC)

A little birdie told me...
...you happen to have Teto in romaji files...

My computer can't handle the strange symbols foreign to it called hiragana. -.-

Is there any way you can get that to me? You'd be doing me a huge favor. Only dead fish go with the flow. 06:46, December 10, 2009 (UTC)

Ai Tsukuyomi (月読アイ)
Should Ai be classified as an influenced program or a related program? We need a Vocaloid user's advice. Would you visit my talk page? --Damesukekun 07:35, December 14, 2009 (UTC)

Hi, I have a group of Fanmades...
I have a group of fanmade characters that don't sing, or aren't exactly part of VOCALOID.

But they ARE based on them somehow.

Do you have any idea where I should put this?


 * Post them first in Vocaloid Wiki:Proposed Fanmade Vocaloids. The possible options is Original Vocaloid Characters or Fanmade Vocaloid Mascots. O Herman 15:19, January 6, 2010 (UTC)

Proposed Fanmade VOCALOIDs
Hi, do you mind, if you have enough time, checking some Human VOCALOIDS proposed for me if it's okay for me to post on the Human VOCALOIDs section?Rr97khl 06:26, February 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * I'll have someone do that. Right now, IRL stuff is hounding me. O Herman 17:46, February 9, 2010 (UTC)

Sukone Tei
I know she is popular and all, but does she need her own page? Is she even a Vocaloid?


 * I agree with SneakyDeath. Maybe we can move the page of Tei onto UTAU Wiki. Damesukekun 10:53, June 20, 2010 (UTC)


 * She doesn't belong here. She should be moved to UTAU Wiki, since her voicebank operates in UTAU, not in Vocaloid. O Herman 11:55, June 20, 2010 (UTC)

Some IP Address Person
IP Address 173.67.16.22 is editing TheNextVocaloid's userpage with racist slurs and other inappropriate information.
 * And antonio lopez has been quiet lately. Gonna bug him. O Herman 06:57, July 3, 2010 (UTC)

Discussion on the Future of Fan made Vocaloids
There is a discussion about them on original Vocaloid talk page you might want to see. We need official words on it.SneakyDeath 04:42, July 19, 2010 (UTC)

Thank you
Thank you very much for reverting the vandalize on my user pages. I searched out who he was and sent a warning on YouTube. Damesukekun 17:53, October 2, 2010 (UTC)

Suggestions on fanmades?
Half the problem with sorting out the unused files is that though files are linked to, for example genderbend pages, thjeir not actually on the page itself so are not "used". I'd like to retire the main fanmade holding pages and get them on their own pages, but theres a lack of info preventing me. The alternative, who I'm considering with the Hagane Vocaloids, is reorganising these pages. Unfortantely unlike their page, theres a lt of unestablished information that is likely to be dropped in the process. Mikou, for instance has a lot more to write about then, say, Little Alice Big Al's genderbend. I don't know, do you have any suggestions. I'm trying to re-organise the lot, but as I went through the unused photos I noted the problem is bigger then I thought here.

The fact its been going on without withstrant for so long means now its much harder to re-organise them. the new layout works, but there are fanmades without enough information on them to establish they really belong anyone on the wikia. That needs to be turned around. Well Bunai want the wikia sorted by the new year so I'll be working on this myself this week, I was the one who said they wanted to start the new year with a fresh page as it were.

BTW, Bun is trying to get another member of staff elected, to basically clean out the trash left on the wikia. Even though we have an admin, and I don't want us to loose that admin, we still have no member of staff here often enough to clean up the mess and our admin isn't helping despite the promise earlier in the year TO clean up. Theres no call to impeach the admin though, the new staff will just get the power to sort some of the needed things out on the wikia. Your thought though, and the thoughts of others are needed on the matter. ;-) One-Winged Hawk 15:27, December 20, 2010 (UTC)


 * The way around it is to ask the fandom to start pitching in. Hmm, here's an idea; scour the proposed fanmades for worthy creations, some of them were put off because the policies of notability were way too strict and even I myself voiced about it.


 * I would suggest we clean out the queues of the proposed fanmades first, while we look for information to populate the existing ones. I, for one, know the person who made Bitter Annie and Spicy Andy, I'll alert them to fill in stuff.


 * As for admin thingy, I may be able to help you there. I was faced with an identical crisis in UTAU wiki, and got Admin status. I'll see what I can do about it. O Herman 15:39, December 20, 2010 (UTC)


 * Bunai already asked, we're suppose to sort out a nominee system amongst ourselves and put forward a name. One-Winged Hawk 17:36, December 20, 2010 (UTC)


 * Also, the main focus right now is on fanmades so, yeah, its a good idea to ask around. Cross has a couple of fanmades, but Crossfrown and I are like two sides of a two very different coins.  I feel silly asking. One-Winged Hawk 17:40, December 20, 2010 (UTC)

Okay
I think I now sorted out the stus on you, so you should be the same level as me. One-Winged Hawk 13:58, December 22, 2010 (UTC)


 * Status... Sorry, because of the mess I'm a bit unnerved, sorry, I'm a bit of a bundle right now because I wasn't expecting to get the status in the first place. :-/ One-Winged Hawk 14:00, December 22, 2010 (UTC)


 * Great. Now what I do with UTAU Wiki is to find stray pages and comb the entire page archives for loose pages. And thanks. O Herman 14:03, December 22, 2010 (UTC)


 * Erm, can you settle the matter of Bunai82, who is the other person I want promoted. I sort of takke me two or three goes to get your status right as it was.  Bun doesn't want more then a temporay status so we can't give Bun Bure-whatsit status, but we can give Admin so Bunai can see how theyu feel about it.  @_@ One-Winged Hawk 14:06, December 22, 2010 (UTC)


 * I'm on it. O Herman 14:07, December 22, 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks.


 * I confess I didn't realise I could add more admins and bure-whatsits or I would have sorted this out first thing this morning. One-Winged Hawk 14:12, December 22, 2010 (UTC)

Peaceout and assign were the same?
That that solves my mystery of why both came up for Pocaloid. I confess I know not much about the thing myself since I don't tend to venture into the realms of illegal. I added the article because its quite a common subject. One-Winged Hawk 12:23, December 23, 2010 (UTC)


 * Googling reveals yes they were one and the same. As to why they changed names, that's easy to guess. O Herman 12:33, December 23, 2010 (UTC)


 * I wasn't too adventurous with google when I was looking up Pocaloid, I must admit, that was driven by the fact I was slightly reluctant to make the article because I felt like it was going to put too much info out. But I suppose its there now and I ended up putting a lot of info on there anyway. Besides, mentioning it is one thing, linking is another and we haven't done that.  One-Winged Hawk 12:46, December 23, 2010 (UTC)

Preposed Image guidelines‎‎
Preposed Image guidelines‎‎ - I've roughed out some suggested guidelines, it needs bulking out, but its only generalimagery, stuff thats usually expected on a guideline. We haven't sorted out the fanmades yet enough to finalise the greater extent of images. One-Winged Hawk 14:18, December 23, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks
Read headline =D --Light dasher 23:02, December 26, 2010 (UTC)

Japanese style?
We need to declare a verdict btw on the Japanese naming scheme. I'm for the use of Japanese over western naming, how about you? bunai approves so its just up to us as Beaucrates to give the go ahead. I forgot all about this. I'm not quite sure how Antino wanted it though, he seems more neutral.

What do you think? I'm asking because you didn't convey a vote when we voted as far as I can see.

I've also goning to sort out the forum at some point in the near future. For some reason, its deleted topics in the past by itself. I don't know whats going on there. One-Winged Hawk 22:18, January 16, 2011 (UTC)


 * Initially I didn't want the Japanese naming style for a western-oriented vocaloid site because it brought confusion as to how their names are written. (I've seen Gakupo, for instance, called by people as Kamui as his first name). Not many people know of the Japanese way of writing, and I've seen published news articles fall for it.


 * However, I'm also aware of how their names should be written. Antonio is neutral about the matter.


 * If adapting Japanese name: Western name should be prominently displayed somewhere. There should be a remark somewhere about it.


 * If retaining Western naming, there should be a remark about how it was originally named and why. O Herman 03:38, January 17, 2011 (UTC)


 * The only problem with having retained both is it can cause confusions, so either one or the other is preferred. Last time we held a vote there was support for. I don't mind either way, however, we have Miku's page set up as it is.  I don't think you need to explain Japanese naming schemes anyway.  As it is, because the general fandom says them (like on Vo forums) by their Japanese method it can be confusing.  We seem to be the only place where the American naming is being forced, even wikipedia is listing it by the Japanese method.  By the ultimate solution is "product name", but that means renaming Gakupo and Gumi's pages to Gackpoid and Megpoid, hwoever, they don't match Gachapoid's page as it is do it might be for the better. One-Winged Hawk 17:40, January 17, 2011 (UTC)


 * Actually we think we have to explain naming conventions. I've done it in UTAU Wiki. And we aren't solely catering to Vocaloid fans too, being a wiki, we should become accessible even to newcomers and the completely clueless.
 * Add to the fact; There are Japanese-based entities like Nendroids that also observe western naming in their products's English name.
 * I think the product name method is the less-taxing and more effective. Just a few renames to be done. By full product name, they should be referred to by their Japanese name. As a character, they should be called by their English name. O Herman 18:24, January 17, 2011 (UTC)


 * I have more of an discussion at this, but due to a headache I'm not feeling up to this right now. I think its more down to "do we name them after the product or the character" rather then "Japanese Vs English naming schemes" as far as Vocaloid article.  At wikipedia, it was pointed out that the product takes naming priority so everyone should be named by their product.  To a degree, I agree with that much anyway.  I don't feel confident enforcing it though if someone possibly may disagree though.  Well discuss this later on, guess its not quite ready to be resolved.


 * But I will note, if you name after the product theres no need to resort to explaining at all, however, not everyone feels confident with calling Gakupo "Gackpoid" for some reason, even though it would justify naming the names of the Vocaloids without having to explain the naming use. But yeah... Leave this for a while and we'll all go back to discussion and decide this once and for all as a community as such.  One-Winged Hawk 19:12, January 17, 2011 (UTC)

Question on fanmade
Why does everyone keep messing with Lourdes? -- Bunai82 (talk) 23:48, February 5, 2011 (UTC)


 * One word: Trolls. O Herman 07:23, February 6, 2011 (UTC)


 * I think it may need protecting. One-Winged Hawk 16:59, February 6, 2011 (UTC)

Helping Vocoloid Wiki
I posted something similar on Angel Emfrbl's page about helping out this wiki because I belong to the Touhou Project Wiki and I was wondering you all needed any help with anything! --Imanie 11:44, February 7, 2011 (UTC)


 * What I would really need is research on the fanmade vocaloids and their intricate details. If you can help with this, it would be most appreciated. O Herman 14:43, February 7, 2011 (UTC)


 * I could try to help with that, but do you want more information on the ones listed on the fanmade vocaloids page or other ones? Also, when I meant help XD I meant more along the lines of layout, backgrounds, and css help, lol. --Imanie 00:06, February 8, 2011 (UTC)

LOURDES ISN'T UTAU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
LOURDES is a fanmade from Lola.....but i don't do LOURDES UTAU.....

not fair!!!!!

I only have 2 UTAU....Riki(with my voice) and Sofia (with TsuukiBanryuu' voice)


 * Well buddy, you've got far bigger problems than Lourdes being mistaken for an UTAUloid. (She was refered to as such due to utilizing UTAU for that append of Lourdes)
 * Better clean up your act, the world is watching. O Herman 13:40, February 8, 2011 (UTC)


 * You own a blog with illegal stuff linked to it, its been pointed out. Also, to quote the blog;


 * Lionoid Sofia CL_02
 * Sofia is the Second Lionoid to be circulating on YouTube. It comes from Vocaloid Meiko, with some arrangements in his voice. But as I want it to all fanaticism, they can send their ideas and pictures of their creations to post here.


 * Believe it or not, this is pretty illegal stuff, your not allowed to use Vocaloid for UTAU, the vocaloid software is only allowed to be used as provided. I hope for your sakes as well, your not passing this UTAUoid stuff around.  Also, the Appends are using Vocaloid so regardless, along with this admittance on your blog, the story your end is pretty weak. If you use Vocaloid for UTAU, I suggest you do not publish your work for it, and keep it to yourself. That way, your work at least remains safer, even if by your own personnel means.


 * As O Herman just said, better clean up your act. Now its been put around, its only a matter of time before your get harressment.  This wikia already saw that your Lola fanmade page we set up here was subject to vandalism.  Even though we were not aware of it, there were some already aware of what was going on.  Even if I return that page, the history section will have to be updated to include this incident, there has already been some damage dealt. :-/ One-Winged Hawk 16:16, February 8, 2011 (UTC)


 * Also, I remembered as I typed this up on VO forums, Lourdes has Appends created from Lola; He has MORE then 2 Appends, and one o (I remember seeing the word "LEON" mentioned in a UTAU), but I can't remember so I will not jump in and say there are more. Only that I know this is the second lie spoken by this person within one sentance and that makes things worst. One-Winged Hawk 18:15, February 8, 2011 (UTC)


 * Ah... I remember now, Riki's full name is "Riki Leon". http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8s3_jlDCAI . After 2 lies, I'm not beliving that the guy voiced this Vocaloid. I just don't know what to believe from this guy anymore. Even if he did, he has tarnished his own reputation by lying already, how do we expect to believe this?  Plus, I remember some times ago someone saying Riki Leon was a illegal UTAU at VO forums, but theres no chance of finding that post.  The only post I can find is the post someone put up in their reply to my topic at VO forums where he announced the Riki Leon vocaloid.  Lacking proof, I cannot confirm it is.  But I do note, the voice of that UTAU definately remains me of one of the Vocaloids, something about it... :-/ One-Winged Hawk 18:43, February 8, 2011 (UTC)


 * Okay I've been leaving messages on Dame's page as I look this over fully. The section on Sofia's voice is STILL up, I've screenied it.  I've also screened illegal Meiko download since its still there.  I've also screenied an illegal upload on his OTHER blog of uploads of songs he isn't allowed to freely hand around.  I've basically managed to screenshot 8 screenies now.  By the looks of it too, he is pretending to be the victim, although as I noted to Dame, I've yet to get a translator on this.  I know translators for Japanese, I know none of his language.  What I get the jest of, he now claims Sofia has no voice... ^_-


 * That seems to be the end of it for today, until he does something further thats stupid. One-Winged Hawk 20:13, February 8, 2011 (UTC)


 * Looks like he isn't exactly interested in redeeming himself. Although I think his English is competent enough, hiding behind the language barrier will only make him look even worse. O Herman 20:24, February 8, 2011 (UTC)


 * Oh I was wrong, one last issue to adress;


 * "Lourdes isn't a UTAU!!!!!!!!!"


 * Oh yes she is (well sort of) as he stating himself; http://ricardovocaloid.deviantart.com/gallery/#/d2pd02p


 * Oh, thats 9 screeshots and 3 lies. Okay according to what I translated he only passed it around to 4 friends, but he still admits his actions right there. And the biggest thing is, I've got to upload 9 files onto this wikia and re-enstate that Lourdes (And I WILL believe me) to explain JUST what is going on with that fanmade. Oh believe me, the fact I now have proof that he lied 3 times has only made me so eager to right this up on that wikia page. Also, it looks like the western fandom has its first major scandal huh?  Too bad its not on a commerical scale or this would have gone further then Lourdes' page.  ^_- One-Winged Hawk 20:33, February 8, 2011 (UTC)

http://vocaloidotaku.net/index.php?/topic/13889-trying-to-get-some-help-on-a-story/page__view__findpost__p__293326

Someone has produced this to be passed around. Its only using a translator but it might still get word around. One-Winged Hawk 21:42, February 8, 2011 (UTC)


 * O Herman, can we delete a history revision of a page? Thats the last remaining issue related to Lourdes to get rid of past linking to her. I can see anything to do that on the bueacrat/admin abilities beyond deleting the page itself. If not and on friday we say she can come back but with the sad story attached, she will likely have to go under her full name of Lourdes Maria to get rid of those history revisions. :-/ One-Winged Hawk 00:39, February 9, 2011 (UTC)
 * I'll look into this. O Herman 08:19, February 9, 2011 (UTC)

Lourdes outcome
Its time to decide that fate of that page, all comments welcome. See talk page. One-Winged Hawk 12:20, February 11, 2011 (UTC)

Vocaloid Licenses
I uploaded a copy of the Vocaloid licenses, I know the UTAU wiki is UTAU, but it be possible if you could just reprint the files there so the UTAU wikia has a copy? I've been adding bits and pieces to this particular issue to highlight the illegalness of Vocaloid + UTAU. Even if not host them, a link to here would still help the UTAU side of things. If you haven't already done something like this? I don't know what the UTAU wikia has and hasn't got. It just gives a wikia a handy copy of the agreement should someone need a reason to adress an issue. One-Winged Hawk 18:25, February 23, 2011 (UTC)


 * Make an article called "Vocaloid Usage Policy" in UTAU Wiki, and I'll fix it up when I get done. I've got my hands full in PHP coding right now. O Herman 18:55, February 23, 2011 (UTC)

Interwiki linking.
Theres a Spanish wikia now and a request for the two wikias (this one and that) to be linked. I have to ask if its fine with you and Bunai anyway, and... "How do we do this"? ^_^' One-Winged Hawk 09:19, April 5, 2011 (UTC)


 * It's a welcome prospect. Go for it. O Herman 16:33, April 8, 2011 (UTC)

Re:Name orders
Nice to see it isn't an issue for you anymore. I'll agree to the fanmades if the creator presents their characters name in a certain order and prefers that, there are some that tend to mix West names with Jnp names, it isn't widely spread but comes up at times. When it comes to (english/western) for the Other names section of the infobox, that's all right, but I am unsure of how much the box can fit before it does that strange layering. Would "Eng" be alright if that happens or just eliminate it all together and assure ourselves that people know what it represents without a guide under or next to the name? Or perhaps just make a ref next to it and move the meaning downward. -- Bunai82 (talk) 18:35, April 19, 2011 (UTC)
 * If it does that strange layering if you use "English name", use a br tag so that it won't look that disruptive. As for the name ordering for fanmades, most have been supplied with Japanese names, so they're good to go for the transition, as long as their Japanese names as a whole are indigent, and not a mere kanafication. O Herman 06:09, April 20, 2011 (UTC)

Thanks
I was going to start adding MMD usernames, however, I don't know the MMD community particluarly well. One-Winged Hawk 20:18, May 15, 2011 (UTC)


 * Er, you added it to the mainnews, the Vocaloid wikia's news section isn't for doing that O Herman, just noting. We can note VO forums because its PowerFX and Zero-G's main user hub on-line.  Its "linked" to them.  Thats about it, plus any major projects the fandom tries to do.  I'm thinking thats redundant too since not one has taken off. :-/ One-Winged Hawk 20:33, May 15, 2011 (UTC)


 * Well, based from what was presented to me, it was quite a serious infraction that it should be known to all hands. O Herman 20:34, May 15, 2011 (UTC)

Re: sailorearth
Then leave to the Blacklist page, we already have a section on the front about rules regarding peoples work and a link to the list, we are not going to use the Vocaloid news section as a bulletin board for rule breakers. -- Bunai82 (talk) 20:36, May 15, 2011 (UTC)
 * I know that. The reason why I added it is it was brazen and something... you know, appalling. It's so bad it eclipses Ricardo. I'm not pushing it to be returned to the front page, I'm telling you why I posted it there. Plus, with evidences, it's not an attack, it's a warning to users. O Herman 20:40, May 15, 2011 (UTC)


 * Okay, since I was informed that this is how you are use to doing things on the UTAU wiki, that is understandable. I am not upset with you, I would just like a better approach about rules than that.
 * In my view the "Attention Vocaloid fans" section is enough, while the blacklist is just informing others "don't be like this", if someone wants to inform them why they are receiving negative marks and comments, then that will hopefully be the thing that turns them around. -- Bunai82 (talk) 21:03, May 15, 2011 (UTC)
 * If it was only that easy. I've seen and handled cases like that which ended well. And then there were stubborn ones that were ultimately dealt with the way I do. O Herman 21:08, May 15, 2011 (UTC)
 * Bunai's got a point, the "Attention Vocaloid fans" section is enough. Though the reason for the blacklist is incorrect.  The blacklist was it was done so as a list of users the wikia cannot deal with and why, it saves editors posting these video or links to these users.  The only time I've really approached the fandom to tell them about a user was Ricardo because I needed help explaining to him what was going on because of a language barrier.  :-/ One-Winged Hawk 21:23, May 15, 2011 (UTC)


 * When it comes to MMD the arguments usually go in a circle back to the whole nanami thing, as that seems to be the only one people can come up with, not realizing that everyone isn't like nanami. It just requires a different approach because while the rules are similar the software in question is different.
 * Anyway, I would like to get working on some more pages, if you don't mind. @Angel, sorry for not expanding on it, but I figured that is just one way for people to look at the Blacklist, not the specific reason for it ^_^ Oyi, heres hoping community wise (this year) we get things done without running into walls. -- Bunai82 (talk) 21:28, May 15, 2011 (UTC)

Is there a western MMD wikia already set up O Herman? If not, is it possible to find someone to set it up. The trouble is MMD is a mixed bag of troubles not everyone seems to agree with how it should be approached. It was be better because, you can list all models, what the conditions are on them. I know theres a Japanese MMD but that doesn't help the western fandom in that respects and I'm for foriegn to the MMD community I'm not aware of if they have english based pages. :-/

Either way, a MMD wikia can host a better blacklist then we can and handle MMD specific problems to MMD. One-Winged Hawk 14:25, May 18, 2011 (UTC)


 * Actually, Hankyou, a fellow compatriot and MMD enthusiast, wanted to set one up, but her schooling made this difficult for her to do so. http://mikumikudance.wikia.com/
 * If you like, I can ask the Wikia admins to give me powers so that I can cascade it to those who will take time to edit it. O Herman 14:48, May 18, 2011 (UTC)


 * It is a wonder why people create more wikis of the same subject instead of just adopting or contributing to a current wiki. But anyway, if that MikuMikuDance wikia is going to be taken care of, it will have to be by someone knowledgeable and open. No go find it yourself/ this is my model / grr argh! type of person. But no doubt it will be hard to find someone like that as it seems everyone is currently hyped up for a knife in the back. For now, sticking with MikuMikuBeat. kb9vn list, parts of DevaiantArt club is pretty much covering the downloads and advice, we however, are a third party that lets readers know that MMD is largely used as promotion of Vocaloids by music video. c/p to Angel -- Bunai82 (talk) 18:08, May 19, 2011 (UTC)

Just some input for you.
I come to you since you were the one who first responded to me I noticed

Codenamesailorearths request from redemption and I felt I might just say a little, I didnt say anything there because all shed do is flame me. I've told most of my friends within the MMD community and so far none of them believe that she truly means anything shes said. Her message is still centered around her and accuses others before herself and is still insulting towards the modelers and the many people who merely sent her messages saying theres rules. She may apoligize through the wikia to the modelers but we don't believe it will be sincere and is likely only to further her means. Also they should know that shes has publicly insulted Nanami many times and hasnt mentioned her wronging of him at all because she still belives hes a "brat". I don't know anyone whos been connected to this at all that would be willing to forgive her. I personally dont feel she has learned anything from this. I believe that the ED page went way too far but she brought much of it on herself. Also in response to the ones saying the page may be removed because shes removed the link, I don't think it will happen for one key reason, She singled out and insulted specific admins on that site and therefore marked herself. The trolling she recieved was not part of the MMD community that I can tell of but of the ED Admins specificlly, on the list of things not to do related to ED that is possibly the very first thing not to do.

In closing, she may have been victimised by ED but in reality shes not a victim in MMD and never was. The only victims here are ISAO, Nanami, and Saboten and a feeble apology will not just make things poof and dissapear. I apologize for sounding harsh but I didnt feel that the other admins have a full picture of her especially since shes still playing the victim card. I am still sorry for reporting her to the wikia because if the strees and burden I've caused you. Daniru17 03:23, June 2, 2011 (UTC)


 * She took down some of the processed models from Mediafire. I sent e-mail to ISAO and Saboten and told them she was ready to have talks with them. I received a reply from ISAO and he said he was ready to do. I'm waiting for another reply from Saboten. Let them settle this matter by themselves. If SailorEarth doesn't show any respect to the creators, then we have no second choice. We'll blacklist her by name. Damesukekun 03:46, June 2, 2011 (UTC)


 * @Daniru17 - If you check around YT and DA you will see people commenting about Nanami negatively out of frustration, it is not just Codenamesailorearth, I doubt she even knows the full story about it and is just going by what others have put. In my opinion you should let that go, because it is unneeded in this situation. The focus now is her understanding the two specific model producers she has wronged and learning more about why people take their models seriously, and also why the fans can sometimes react hostile. -- Bunai82 (talk) 03:59, June 2, 2011 (UTC)
 * Ok I'll leave this up to you but I still believe that her actions are not due to her understanding what shes done wrong.Thank you for responding Daniru17 04:09, June 2, 2011 (UTC)


 * CNSE will have to reconcile with the ED admins too. Not now, but she will do it at an appropriate time. Every person she wronged will hear from her, it's part of the stuff we told her so that she can finally settle this matter. If you have problems with CNSE, now is the time to talk to her. But word of caution. No words that can spark hostility must be spoken. If you have problems with her, talk to her directly. O Herman 04:25, June 2, 2011 (UTC)
 * I gave up on conversing with her after watching her block dozens of people saying the same things I was and I don't believe it would solve anything and since shes blocked me as well its pointless. Also I honestly don't think anything she can or will say would make an ED admin remove it. Most likely anything and everything she says will be openly mocked by them. Daniru17 04:39, June 2, 2011 (UTC)


 * Even if she's doing the right moves and reach out to ED? Honestly, do you think they will condemn a person who has completely turned around? Tell me.


 * Look at us. We are finally able to talk to her without any hint of hostility. You haven't even tried it here. We were THIS close to giving her a complete condemnation until one of us suggested one final chance. I honestly thought it was a stab in the dark. It worked beyond my expectations. It's a different environment here than in ED. All we're doing now is prodding her to make the right moves, and so far, according to Damesukekun, she's interested in it. Of course she has to earn her dignity again, and she won't get that with her just sitting down. But then, due to the situation, we cannot apply pressure immediately. O Herman 06:46, June 2, 2011 (UTC)
 * I apologize if I appear closed minded, I do not forgive as easily and have been personally attacked by her and her fans and she has done things specificly to make me angry so I am far less inclined to want to try. And no, reaching out to ED would likely solve nothing, redemption does not exist on that site. She will send a polite message which would be read, shown to everyone, laughed at, then ignored. I mean read some other pages. ED editors truly don't care how "sorry" anyone is. I found articles that are from years back where its assumed the one mentioned is dead or even killed themselves but the article is still there. But if you insist on her trying then go ahead.Daniru17 18:07, June 2, 2011 (UTC)


 * There is nothing to be sorry of, I have acted in a similar way for several times, I understand what you feel, it is just that to condemn one willing to change is just as dastardly. Anyway, now that we got that out of the way...


 * I believe there are different people running that site now. However, I have my own insecurities about that site too, indeed, just having one fierce brush against them will earn one entry on the site. It is not called the worst of the worst for nothing.


 * The point being shown to CNSE is that she needs to earn the people's trust back, and it will somehow set the stage to a domino effect. The article at ED may even prove ironic if she does well.


 * That IS, if she starts getting to work. She needs to work for her own redemption, it is not through our hands alone it can happen; action needs to come from her part. O Herman 18:22, June 2, 2011 (UTC)
 * Ok once again I'll leave this to you, Its not that condemn her willing to change, its that I just dont believe in it based on her previous actionsDaniru17 18:52, June 2, 2011 (UTC).


 * I respect that view. We shall see in the coming days. O Herman 18:59, June 2, 2011 (UTC)
 * Just got to say this somewhere because its building up. You and Damesukekun must have patience of gods whenever she says "My Kanji is poor" or "My Japanese is rusty" because its plain as day that the only kanji she can read is via google translate and her continued insinuation that she has any knowledge of the language is like a hammer to the head. Daniru17 07:11, June 6, 2011 (UTC)


 * Did she say that here? Also Damesuke and I are investigating a new development where there's a so-called defender of CSE in YouTube that almost speaks exactly like her, bad Japanese and all. And it gets worse with a proper ED representative making his presence known. Well as long as he (ED guy) behaves he'll be fine here. I want you to keep an eye on both parties; Damesuke and I are losing our patience with CSE, and that's to say the least. O Herman 07:34, June 6, 2011 (UTC)
 * Well hes not an admin or an editor according to their listings so hes not an "official" ED representative though what he said is mostly true. I find it odd that he seems to be encouraging her to "reform" more then push her to do more crazy things like most ED users seem to do (unless its some sort of diabolical plan) Daniru17 07:40, June 6, 2011 (UTC)
 * Just saying, as person with a furry avatar I've seen many trolls and ed pages and his lack of hostility is what strikes me as odd. Daniru17 07:46, June 6, 2011 (UTC)
 * Well they could be playing along, as they've seen CSE's starting to show her true colors. I hope it doesn't end that way, but you know, it's tragic if it does. Unless she does something, she's at the mercy of ED. We've done what we could, but ultimately, it is her own self that's the steward of her own ship, and her own fate. Personally, I can't blame ED for putting her up in their page. It's her fault she feuded with them blindly. :\ O Herman 08:05, June 6, 2011 (UTC)