Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-25563055-20141024231726/@comment-53539-20160524162645

Note on their quality; what you said is BS about things, Gumi actually has WORST English then Diva, not better since she has a lot of bugs and Diva has a lot less. The original Yamaha script they sound was full f issues, and the improved script came after Gumi had been completed. Gumi is pre-V4, most improvements are a only this generation because it took a while to do. Fukase English knocks socks off of Gumi English - and his producers weren't even sure he'd turn out.

Even down to the first V2's... Actually it was known that Sweet Ann was overall better then Miku, though there wasn't much difference between the 5 V1's. It boiled down i V1 to compactiablity, the engine was so poor that it was hard to get a good result regardless. Neither Meiko nor Kaito were any better overall then the Engloid trio, even CFM have noted V1 was pretty crappy ir one way or another.

Heck... Meiko and Kaito didn't even have a Japanese interface and were stuck with the English one. There was a Japanese one in V2, but the default is English and if you delete the Japanese file, it reverts to English. That 1 file is the only thing making V2 have a Japanese interface.

The original Vocaloid software is tailored for both Japanese and English about equal until V2, with the software focusing on Japanese between 2008-2012 because it took off a lot bigger. English began reworking in 2011-ish.

It should be noted, that up until Miku, the expectations of Vocaloid was low and 1,000 units sold was considered "good". Kaito getting 500 units was poor. Meiko getting 3,000 wa very good. The Engloids did overall well and Miriam eventually sold every serial code Zero-G had when she was taken off the shop floor. In fact, the English vocaloid version was overall doing stable to about better until Miku, Miku broke the rules by selling 60,000. Bare in mind she wasn't the best vocal for the engine as Vy1, the Appends, Iroha and VY2 are the best vocals and Luka was the bottom of the top vocaloid section. So all other Japanese V2's were beneath these vocaloids. V3 is messy tho, so I wouldn't be able to tell you the overall quality mark...

Next we look at other evidence.

Firstly, most Vocaloid have 2 or 3 pitches - language does not matter, this is standard for the software. To have more is an exception.

Singing quality; If we're going to compare vocaloids, then a professional vocal like Prima or Gackt equally will knock socks off of Miku or the Kagaminesand some other vocals like them even now. There is little difference, a professional in any language is just going to produce better singing results then an amateur for the simple reason of pitch and key matching. Did you know Miku V2 is both off pitch and off key slightly?

English isn't easy to make since it have to have x5 the amount of samples as Japanese; phonetically Engloids are superior to Japanese vocaloids because of this array and workarounds, both which Japanese lack, this gives Engloids an edge. The lack of workarounds have eve proven to be a issue for a few Japanese voaloid because you can't do aanything about a bad sample. However, Japanese vocaloids have more precise sounds because you spell the phonetics as they sound. English isn't so precise.

Even down to realism, some argue the English vocaloids areactually overall ore realistic because of their large number of samples means their samples throw up far more variations in sounds then Japanese.

Things like clarity issues, noise loops, duff samples equally have just as much chance to turn up in any Vocaloid. And if anything, the current worst voicebanks belong not to an Engloid, but a Japanes vocaloid called Arsloid. Plus with a large number of vocaloids and all, its more then likely there will be more of a selection of vocals in the Japanese vocloids and with it far the difference betwee the worst and best is far great then another langauge like Spanish, because there is only 3 of them.

''And also. Have you ever heard someone sing a song, then a tototally different person sing a song and they sound the same. Thats the issue with American voices. They sound the same. Japanese voices also tend to sound the same, but yet different if you listen. (Hyperdimesion Neptunia Anime for example).''

There are currently 4 American accented vocaloids; Big Al, Dex, Daina, Cyber Diva and Ruby. Thats not a lot. Only Ruby and Diva sound enough. Evenn if you get two Vocaloids in English that are the same type, due to the sieof the build and the language, there is actually less chance of there being too many similarities. There is jut more room for variation.

Do you know how many vocaloids overlap each other for sounds; half of the female V3 range. And don't get me started on Meiko. She has always been the "any girl" vocal... There are real singers that have the same tones as Meiko in English, Spanish, etc, its not a bad thing... But the fct there are 15 the samples in a Japanese vocaloid means that there is more chance of there being similar vocals due to less variation. Plus the whole issue with the phonetics lacking variation means that there is more chance of two vocaloids saying a sample in the same way because the don't also stress accent like English speakers do, they pitch accent.

Its not uncommon for speakers have trouble with speech because Japanese phonetically is more limited, so when they come to seperate the "l" and "r" sounds, they can't do it always. Same goes for "b", "v" and "p". And lets not get started on the vowels, Japanese is more limited on vowel so trying to separate vowels sounds to imitate other languages is hard. English ma be quick to learn, but the sounds are stubborn. Its the some for others trying to learn another language, don't get me wrong, but Japanese is one of those where the native speakers can struggle outside because of it. English speakers learning Japanese struggle with sentance structure, and have problems trying not to sound like their speaking English... Too many variations on sounds makes it difficult to find the right one... :-/

''(Like how every person one earth bought, pirated Gakupo because of Gackt). So until then, I'll stick with Engrish and bilingual vocals''

No they did not pirate Gackpo. The west ay have been pirate heavy but in Japan pirating is less common because of Buddism would you believe If you pirate Miku, you essentially are stealing her soul".  Plus there would not be V3 or V4 vocals if Gackpo V2 didn't sell well enough.  Its only the west where pirating is a big issue.

In addition, "engrish"ing a vocaloid produces LQ English; didn't you just say that you think their LQ. So rather then have HQ English results, you'll settle for LQ ones. Bilinguals tend to be superior in the language they are meant for, so Gumi English isn't as good as Gumi Japanese, but Yohioloid is better at English then Japanese.

Also;

"Their voices you've probably heard EllieMonty imitate

This sums up your entire post; you don't have a clue what your saying... I'm not normally rude, but you need to learn some stuff so you can enter a discussion like this or you come off as bad as the clueless idiots on youtube that spew nonsense on English Vocaloids to begin with. It will do yourself a favour and give you more leverage in a disccusion.