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Edits of removal
Um, it's okay to remove the lines if you think they are not appropriate, but please explain what is wrong in the edit summary next time. Anyway, what were wrong with them?Blacksaingrain 14:04, June 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh, sorry. I passed over "Until Gackpoid was released, Kaito and Leon ..." and thought they were gone. By the way, I think how their songs rated is important and it should be in their history. It's not like fanmade settings.Blacksaingrain 14:24, June 2, 2010 (UTC)

I’ve just looked for some articles using "trivia" and found them in Animation or Manga wikias(Maybe there’s more though). At there, the information in trivia is something like character’s profile in details or their ranks in fan polls. Those are not directly related to their histories(stories), so I agree that they’re trivia. But for vocaloids, I still think their songs are part of their history and not trivia since if the songs gain fine reputations would greatly influence their values and their works tell what they are. I think the songs and the information about them are one of the main subjects. This is just my opinion though. Hmm,maybe I’d better fix and add them to “notable songs” somehow. I’ll delete them for now.Blacksaingrain 17:02, June 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, I think we still don’t need to separate them like that, and once we do it, it may cause edit wars and arguments. There is no standard to judge which works are notable/normal/famous yet, but they are quite well-balanced even without it. I don’t want to make it off and cause the controversies till they are necessary. Also, Miku has more than 170 songs that made 100,000 on Nico and it’s impossible to put them all on wiki.(That’s why I made playlists on Youtube) Anyway, I’ll try to look for better ways :)Blacksaingrain 04:56, June 3, 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah, Miku really has a lot. When I knew it I was surprised too XD She is special on Nico and I think we can't always put her and other vocaloids in the same arena. I wish Lola and other English vocaloids had songs half as much as she hasBlacksaingrain 06:35, June 4, 2010 (UTC).

Yeah, Sweet Ann is as famous as Leon on Nico. There are more than 450 video related to her there(She has the most among English vocaloids), while Lola has only 136. Poor Lola, but comparing to Miku, I can’t say Ann has enough either (Miku has more than 70,000). If she had a better artwork, she might have got more popular. By the way, are you tired of Japanese and Crypton fans? Haha, then, you would get tired of me too XD (JJ, I’m not taking your words offence) Well, many Japanese consider themselves poor at English and they believe it would be too hard to use English vocaloids or write lyrics in English. I think that’s the main reason of it. And I’d bet Crypton would not change their styles as long as their products are selling well even if they are trying to develop new ones at the back. Crypton is a small company and they can’t do something without regard to commercial concerns. Since KAITO became popular female users have increased and most of them like both male & female vocaloids though, most of the male users are not so interested in male vocaloids. A young female voice sells better in Japan. Oh but, I agree that keeping the challenge alive is important.Blacksaingrain 10:15, June 5, 2010 (UTC) I like high-voiced songs but I prefer male vocaloids to be low voiced :) It's a matter of taste though, Leon sounds really good in low voice as well as KAITO. It’s true that KAITO’s poor sales was a hard hit for Crypton. They might be thinking it would be too risky to develop another male vocaloid and his popularity was just by chance. I feel really sad that they’re trying to ignore MEIKO and KAITO now, even they are still selling well. However, the following Crypton’s products also did sell well and that means each of products has been distinguished, supported and loved by many people and Crypton have just served many clients' needs. I think it’s fine as there are other companies that develop vocaloids and without doubt what Crypton produced made ‘vocaloid’ more popular. Well, I know there’re many fans that say Crypton is the best and only the best, but I guess most of them just want to say that they love Crypton’s vocaloids best regardless of their qualitity as softwares. Vocaloid fans are not always vocaloid users and also not so familiar with their performances or how to use them. Japanese fans who use vocaloids well never say such things like which company’s vocaloid is only the best easily. And the bottom line here is, what important to most of fans is if songs, voices or words get to their hearts or not, I suppose. Miku is beloved not because she is perfect as a product, but because she can touch a lot of people. Some people say they are greatly encouraged by her since she sounds like she is trying as hard as possible to sing like a man. Measuring something by its maturity and performance as a software is one thing and it’s a very interesting viewpoint though, I think we can’t properly evaluate them by that alone. Sonika has gentle, sweet voice while she often sounds a bit furry. The voice quality, including accent, really influences editing a lot, doesn't it? I like MIRIAM more than Ann but I agree that it’s easy for Ann to sing clearer. Ann’s artwork is just like what you said, not bad itself, just unsuitable for the market. As English is not very necessary in Japan and English vocaloids would be more easy-to-use for native English people, I hope native English speakers who use them will increase. Blacksaingrain 19:01, June 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * I just wanted to explain what most of the Japanese vocaloid fans are like. I’m sure people who can make the fairer answers, if they exist, are the ones who don’t love vocaloids and companys so much lol Truly it’s a matter of personal taste, wants, needs and judgmental standard. Just like talking over who is the best singer in the world, each one can have his own opinion and standard but no one can force them to others. Of course enjoying discussing is fine though :)
 * Presetting Vocaloids2’s breath in 5 levels really changes the sound. I have never used English vocaloids, but sure it would change hers a lot as well. As there’s an Act2 for Rin/Len, I think it's nice for Sonika to have it too. Conpanies respond to fans’ requests, sometimes. Yes, sometimes. Anyway I’m looking forward to newcome vocaloids.
 * By the way, I’m thinking of adding this text to each vocaloid’s “notable song” section;


 * “There are not less that 66,000 videos on Nico Nico Douga, 144,000 on Youtube, which are related to Miku Hatsune. More than 170 of her songs were inducted into Vocaloid's Hall of Fame on Nico Nico Douga (exceeded 100,000 views) & recorded in more than 10,000 mylists. Miku’s Songlist inducted into  Vocaloid's Hall of Fame ”, ,


 * Maybe I’ll change it to “more than 8000 mylists” though.Blacksaingrain 01:38, June 11, 2010 (UTC)

SONiKA's songs
Hey even though i don't have an account I wanted to respond to your message on the sonika page (so you don't get mad....><) I noticed that the section had become rather cluttered and i think that the section should focus on directing new SONiKA users/fans to original songs frist and only *very* popular covers. But if having the covers up means so much to you then i suggest maybe a section just for covers. DSQ

Name Titles brightness
I don't think it works very well. Bunai82 14:07, June 20, 2010 (UTC)

Lily
Confirmed. It’s perfectly acceptable. I put some same references on the article just to show which source I used, but please delete some of them if you think they are unnecessary(I'm sure they are).Blacksaingrain 09:53, July 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * No problem, we should help each other in times of need. I’ll go through after you finish your edition.Blacksaingrain 12:06, July 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah, when it comes to technical sides, probably forums or blogs are the places where we can find information most. I think gathering technical information with a lot of technical vocabulary is not easy especially for fans who are not so familiar with using vocaloids. Maybe that made you alone. I have a experience a bit, but there are still so many things to learn. Fans who know much about them are not majority even in Japan. However, I hope I can be of some help. Blacksaingrain 13:59, July 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * Ah, take your time, we're in no hurry. I’ll be a bit busy from the day after tomorrow, but I can go through it in my spare time anyway. Blacksaingrain 03:27, July 9, 2010 (UTC)

Long Time
Yeah,i just become the Admin of xXx Holic Wiki and that great,Apparently if the character has a japan name,woud you write Watanuki Kimihiro  or Kimihiro Watanuki,please give me a suggestion and thanks,ooh and can you help me builing the wiki's Theme and Wiki.PNG,pleaseeeeee,--LaughingVampire1990 13:28, July 8, 2010 (UTC)

Phoneme page
I've been looking for some useful information with technical jargon and translating them into English these days for the article, but it seems to take some time and I know I always make stupid mistakes once I rush, just like I did on Lily's page. I couldn't believe I overlooked her company's name :( Need to reread myself in what I write naggingly. Blacksaingrain 08:45, July 17, 2010 (UTC)

Re: Release Date Page
not sure what you mean, unless it is editing the infobox template to link to the release date page. Anyway, going to edit the pages again when it comes to searching for their names on nico and youtube. 18:02, July 21, 2010 (UTC)

Phoneme List - Chinese
I'm curious about it. I added some information on the article. According to the official site there is a list to have accessibility to 90% of the Chinese pronunciation in her help file, but probably not a Chinese databank. I wonder how she will deal with Hanyu pinyin, some of initials or retroflexes, however, it’s very interesting anyway.

Don’t worry about the article Vocaloid, if I find good information sources, I’ll add them too. But the problem is, there is a limited amount of information for English Vocaloids.Blacksaingrain 15:11, July 24, 2010 (UTC)

Magnet art tracing
I haven’t checked Nico these days and I’ve got the facts straight just now. Certainly it’s not clear when things calm down, rather, they might affect many other songs that the illustrator offered her works to. I’ll make a new article of the illustrator with a brief explanation for it later. magnet has been kept private and the matter is still under discussion by authors, but if it won’t be settled, the song might be deleted and reuploaded with different illustrations by other illustrators. The same thing can be said for other songs. Blacksaingrain 03:17, August 3, 2010 (UTC)
 * "Just be friends" has also been closed to public and "Cendrillon" might be the next as people have got into a shouting match over the matter on its page.Blacksaingrain 04:14, August 3, 2010 (UTC)

linking videos
How exactly are you working this feature? I want to make sure I get it right, I noticed that there are no long history edits with the Weekly Video template, so where are the previous ones linking from. -- Bunai82 (talk page) 19:56, August 16, 2010 (UTC)

Alrighty
I'm the anonymous who edited Sweet Ann's songs. I get your point now. I shouldn't have talked so soon... D:. I guess, its better to have these lots of songs listed rather than underappreciating some songs. Thanks!112.206.55.204 09:26, October 5, 2010 (UTC)

Q : Gallery template
Is this template free to use? I have a wiki that uses a lot of images and would like something that will be workable with the *ugh* oasis skin. -- Bunai82 (talk) 01:30, October 29, 2010 (UTC)


 * ah thanks. Its a neat template... I need to figure out how to make my own. -- Bunai82 (talk) 10:35, October 29, 2010 (UTC)

Re: Feed back
The template? The idea is good since Oasis is going to elongate the heck out of the page. The amount of pages will be unbelievable though. Are you worried about that part? -- Bunai82 (talk) 21:51, October 30, 2010 (UTC)


 * If it can stay in order and is easy to find, then go for it. I must admit the lack of an admin (or even a maintenance admin) is getting rather annoying. Anyway, did you need help copy/pasting the list or something? Hopefully the links will be stable enough for a few months before going through them to see if the video was removed. -- Bunai82 (talk) 22:41, October 30, 2010 (UTC)


 * I admit I cannot sort more then the Vocaloid pages out... In some cases I simply don't know which are the covers of the orginal Vocaloid songs, and which are the vocaloid songs. Though, I need to complete the template.  I need to complete the "etc, etc," bit (oh snap, laziness).  I'm pushing to get this wikia more attention right now to see what that brings.  The youtube list is just the first step.  Regardless, I don't want the wikia to become THE resource, I'd rather see other sites stay popular, thats why I'm very keen to keep main news linking to those sites.  Plus, so many people don't have faith in this wikia that its impossible. I put up the recent info on Lily... People doubted it... Thats enough to make me acknowledge that we'll never be considered reliable, even when the info is correct. :-/ One-Winged Hawk 23:10, October 30, 2010 (UTC)


 * Well, you definitely work hard. So I wish I could do more than just compliment on a userpage.
 * This wiki was very outdated before you and a few more editors arrived, so it is nice that things are keeping current. All there needs to be is more organizing. And it won't be instant... I know lol, since I am behind on my own wiki. -- Bunai82 (talk) 21:17, November 4, 2010 (UTC)

Re: The calls out
Cool'. Well, it would be nice to have an active admin. I know the current one is busy with school priorities and that is important and understandable, but the lack of a second active admin or any other authority can be agitating. I am the lone admin on my adopted wiki, but so far I've been actively editing and would like to appoint someone that isn't a spammer and basically likes to add to the site like I do. Such decisions can be quite difficult. But in the case of the Vocaloid Wiki, I think there are certain people here who would like to maintain without being pushy about it. -- Bunai82 (talk) 19:53, November 22, 2010 (UTC)


 * Yeah, he is good at what he does, when he is here ^^;; Having someone who can edit the css and delete pages is really needed. Also, we should put a rule on the Mainpage and MediaWiki:Photo (ugh to photo) that uploading fanart is not wanted, unless it is their own and they plan to maintain their vocaloid. BUT I still want to try a vocaloid fanmade wiki to clear things up. But I think a better name is needed and something that relates back to this wiki is essential.
 * Sorry for the little OT. -- Bunai82 (talk) 20:03, November 22, 2010 (UTC)


 * If I can pull myself away from my own wiki, I can go through some fanmade pages to see which are not being active anymore. Though I am an avid fan of history pages on wikis, regardless of the subject not being up-to-date. -- Bunai82 (talk) 23:07, November 22, 2010 (UTC)


 * Lol, Aster seems to be the most organized, Damesukekun‎ is more focused on correct information by translation and such, O Herman seems to maintain articles rather nicely. Me... hmm XD not sure. I'm more of a minor fix person who tries to get pages noticed. -- Bunai82 (talk) 21:33, November 23, 2010 (UTC)

No reply on a secondary Admin yet? -- Bunai82 (talk) 22:54, November 30, 2010 (UTC)


 * Alrighty, more waiting, oyi -- Bunai82 (talk) 22:57, November 30, 2010 (UTC)

Bah, guess I will have to volunteer to take on some kind of rights, at least temporarily. -- Bunai82 (talk) 09:23, December 11, 2010 (UTC)


 * It seems Damesukekun and O Herman want to run the fanmade section like UTAU wiki, but I don't know if such methods will work on here. Certainly the whole Vocaloid Fanmade concept needs some major overhauling. I think people are depending too much on official derivatives for the way a fanmade should be and how it should grow. But the thing is, that started when Vocaloid was in the second era, basically an imageboard and otaku who were just getting into the whole synthesizer thing. So unless you are a popular artist already, your fanmade isn't going to take off as well as you would like. There are so many now, no one is really paying much attention.


 * oyi, as much as I don't want to use this example. The Japanese otaku fandom can be pretty organized when it comes to this type of things, while the Western otaku fandom is rather broken up about it. They are inspired by their Japanese counterparts, but don't want to work together to build something that would establish a decent mascot.


 * Back to the first part, while UTAU is based upon Vocaloid, it's different when it comes to each subjects fanmades. The obvious one being an amateur voicebank over a professional company voicebank. UTAU creators are more likely to build up their character long before they create a site or wiki page about them. With Vocaloid creators it seems to be derivative first, no real build up, page quickly. However, perhaps we can work with this type of method and smooth it out. I don't want people to feel discouraged if their Vocaloid chara is not popular within the few months, I mean... how many do you expect to remember? Without some promoting around online, the character will likely never take off and the creator will just dump it from disappointment not from boredom. -- Bunai82 (talk) 00:21, December 15, 2010 (UTC)


 * I am all for removing the ones that literally have no activity (creator and community wise) and trying to start, semi, fresh. Naturally half of this task requires admin power =_='. That proposed page still sits there, and I doubt anyone active has bothered with it. I know I don't look at much, as there is no real communication on what to do about it, especially from the creator of this wiki.


 * As for now, how about putting a message on the front page that the adding fanmades will be on hiatus? Removing the link and such. Until we all figure out what the heck to do with the current ones. -- Bunai82 (talk) 02:52, December 15, 2010 (UTC)

Staff reply
If this is an issue on your wiki, the bureaucrat there can promote other users into bureaucrat. If he is unwilling to do that, then please start a community discussion to nominate a few other admins and bureaucrats. We will be happy to do the promotion if we see community agreement.

Got a reply from staff. Obviously a community discussion was started, but with just two of the most active members being the only ones, I wonder if it will count. -- Bunai82 (talk) 22:04, December 13, 2010 (UTC)


 * Link? XD if it is to the Community discussion, then it is you who created it lol. -- Bunai82 (talk) 00:28, December 14, 2010 (UTC)

Lol usually that is how second adminship works, the most active and most contributing editor gets the position. I would only want temp rights so I can do some clean up. Not sure how you demote yourself though. -- Bunai82 (talk) 08:34, December 22, 2010 (UTC)


 * Thank you, I will be going through the images marked for deletion and well, delete them lol. Moving images to proper names and categories so they are easily found, and think of a titles to get a consistency for fanmade thumbnails and illustrations, because right now, they are hard to find and all over the place, so there are going to be some broken gallery and pages due to redirect suppression.


 * You may not want adminship, but you do seem the best for you, as you have direction and can get around the site so easily. -- Bunai82 (talk) 21:54, December 22, 2010 (UTC)


 * lol okay


 * Don't worry, I know which ones to sort. ^_^ even if deleted it can be restored... as odd as that is. -- Bunai82 (talk) 22:01, December 22, 2010 (UTC)

infobox producer (review)
I made an infobox for the Producer pages so there can be some easier format to follow, what do you think? I'm going to try and hid the "playlist" section, as it would seem to be the only thing that could be unused, common among YT Producers. -- Bunai82 (talk) 22:10, December 2, 2010 (UTC)

Song Articles
Should we have articles on the most notable Vocaloid songs (ie. Black Rock Shooter, Dark Woods Circus etcetera.)? I'd be more than happy to help. Plus, I'd bring a song template to the site. Go or no go?  Proto  Stealth   02:46, December 15, 2010 (UTC)

Re:Image guidelines...
Doubt there is one lol. What do you have in mind? Because I want to at least title official and fanmades before you go into the details of image policy. Also need a template and category, which is gonna take some hours since I am sorting. -- Bunai82 (talk) 22:31, December 22, 2010 (UTC)


 * Lol that's a start. Are the vocaloid wiki rules pages in place anywhere... I honestly forgot about them lol -- Bunai82 (talk) 22:57, December 22, 2010 (UTC)

Re:Funny old world...
^_^;; that shouldn't be a bad thing, it would just make someone more cautious of their purchase next time. Besides disappointment, I don't see the true bad in getting a fake... well that is if you intended to get it for collecting purposes (and lulz) or just got over it quickly and got the real thing. -- Bunai82 (talk) 23:42, December 22, 2010 (UTC)


 * That is just one of the risk of a hobby. If it doesn't fall a part in the hands of the gifted (?), then I think they will survive XD -- Bunai82 (talk) 23:58, December 22, 2010 (UTC)


 * LOL looks like that cymbal monkey -- Bunai82 (talk) 00:15, December 23, 2010 (UTC)


 * It'd be cute if it was more accurate, dah well. -- Bunai82 (talk) 00:46, December 23, 2010 (UTC)

Delete template
You added some to images a few days ago with no reason given. It makes it hard to know why they were marked. Many are actually linking to the main fanpage as a "click here" link. Since I am sorting images I removed the delete template for now. -- Bunai82 (talk) 21:35, December 23, 2010 (UTC)


 * Alrighty ^_^ the summary and category will acknowledge what it links to, so it won't be regarded as unused. Not sure why Wikia doesn't count linked images as a "featured on". -- Bunai82 (talk) 22:41, December 23, 2010 (UTC)

About Table templates
Can you explain what you are doing with them and what changed? Currently there are quite a few to follow, so I want to know what will link to what. And if it isn't too much of a problem, could you have some consistency with their titles? Cause half of them I don't know what they mean XD -- Bunai82 (talk) 21:59, December 25, 2010 (UTC)


 * ah okay, well feel better and just stay off the site for a few hours XD. With my moms new religion I don't think we celebrate or have Christmas anymore. So I just spent the time watching TV and updating wikis.


 * To the templates, thanks for explaining the basics, I have to get use to what is where now. -- Bunai82 (talk) 22:28, December 25, 2010 (UTC)

About KEI
He's often introduced as "a designer" of Miku or Rin/Len Kagamine, but the word "designer" often does not mean "a person who devises or executes designs or one who creates forms, structures, and patterns, as for machines" when it is used in Japanese(although there are few exceptions). Especially for Kei, it just means "illustrator" or "one who does artworks". And the concepts of the characters were designed by the members of Crypton, not by Kei. Mainly he just did the illuslations of them like what Kentaro Miura did for Gakupo. However, many western fans misunderstand that Kei is the main developer and the designer of Miku and Rin/Len, and think his comics like "Hatsune Mix" is official, as the word carries several meanings. I think it would be better to use "illustrator" instead on this wiki. What do you think of that? Blacksaingrain 11:07, December 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you:D Um, sorry for bothering you, but will you help me with fixing the title of the picutre here. I tried to fix it though, I don't how. How does it go?Blacksaingrain 12:14, December 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * Ah, thank you for fixingBlacksaingrain 12:36, December 26, 2010 (UTC)

30 day trial
I wrote my reply on Lily's talk page. Just one thing. Please do not remove (citation needed) without generating additional information to supplement on articles or adding sources. That's against the wiki rules. We're not kids. Blacksaingrain 10:04, December 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, even if you are thinking of adding them, still you should remove the template AFTER you add. That's the rule. How can people know you will add them? And I put it to every information that should be proved. If there're many, that means you need to prove every one of them.(Of course, if one source can support several lines, you don't need to put it to every one of them to remove) Blacksaingrain 10:26, December 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * I just want to increase reliability of this wiki and don't want to easily remove other people's edition for no reason. I'm thinking the template as a chance to avoid removing. But sorry for being a nitpicky anyway.Blacksaingrain 11:06, December 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * When it comes to typographical errors and omissions, I have to confess I'm not a good editor at all. Always thanks to editors who correct my silly mistakes XD And you don't need to worry about Meaw, I'm not so familiar to anything about vocaloids beyond official ones. As Japanese vocaloid fandom is spreading so quickly and widely, I can't catch up with it. But I know you do not spare any effort for it.Blacksaingrain 11:58, December 29, 2010 (UTC)

Ah, okay. Thanks for telling Blacksaingrain 16:37, December 29, 2010 (UTC)

About title for Fanmade pages
Example, they are currently like this:
 * Hagane Vocaloids
 * Voyakiloid
 * Genderbent Vocaloids

I wanted to make it easier by hooking the title to the main Fanmade Vocaloids page, by doing this:
 * Fanmade Vocaloids/Hagane
 * Fanmade Vocaloids/Voyakiloid
 * Fanmade Vocaloids/Genderbent

Even though all the pages need some kind of makeover, what do you think? -- Bunai82 (talk) 20:21, January 3, 2011 (UTC)


 * You will have to explain your idea a bit better. Since I am not sure if removing the individual articles is a good idea, unless the plan is to use the Fanmade Vocaloids page as the main map of sorts to reach the other derivations and original fanmades etc. RE:Anti-Vandalism rules? - I just linked to the default rules created by Wikia, Antonio Lopez didn't create an original document about the Vocaloid Wiki. -- Bunai82 (talk) 22:26, January 3, 2011 (UTC)


 * Alrighty, thank you.
 * @Rules - Now that I re read the default rules, I can see what you mean. You can remove number 3 lol, since that is just inviting trouble. Other than that, some things need to be thought about, especially when it comes to fanmades and factual information, and copyright blah blah. -- Bunai82 (talk) 23:02, January 3, 2011 (UTC)


 * May I ask what is important with Hagane? Is it because each Crypton has a counterpart now? In comparison to the Voykiloid. At least with the main fanpage up, it will keep the explanation of what each derivative is. I would just like to see Fanmade Vocaloids page be the source of letting people know what it is. The rules/creation page should be left for itself... it would be distracting imo. -- Bunai82 (talk) 22:16, January 4, 2011 (UTC)


 * Alright, now that is clear. It is best to keep them on one page. -- Bunai82 (talk) 22:26, January 4, 2011 (UTC)

About Fandesk template
hey more text XD. Anyway, I wanted to know if I could move some of the pages to a qualifier? As in placing under one title. This would at least eliminate the two categories. For example:
 * Getting Started → Tutorial: Getting Started
 * Using the Parameters → Tutorial: Using the Parameters


 * Phoneme List → Technical: Phoneme List
 * Legal Implications → Technical: Legal Implications

Or perhaps a infamous slash method lol

Which reminds me the categories need sorting... so messy, but I am not sure where to start. -- Bunai82 (talk) 22:42, January 4, 2011 (UTC)


 * Alrighty, do keep me informed about it.
 * So qualifiers title or not? -- Bunai82 (talk) 21:17, January 6, 2011 (UTC)

Icon / Thumbnail images
For whatever you are planning with the fanmade main pages, would the deletion of these icons be a part of it? I personally would like to remove them if they will no longer be in use, since most were used for the original template. Though some are currently being used in the Proposed page, many are just not being used at all. -- Bunai82 (talk) 22:57, January 8, 2011 (UTC)


 * Re: Well
 * It's fine, I am distracted with updating wikis and organizing my computer files. Why not get Damesukekun to do the page translating? -- Bunai82 (talk) 00:01, January 14, 2011 (UTC)

Re:One page down
Alrighty ^_^ I would help with the fanmades, but I don't have the rhythm for it (yet)... that and I still need to organizing the files and pages by category. You're doing great btw. -- Bunai82 (talk) 22:00, January 15, 2011 (UTC)


 * Is it high priority? With the lack of solid information on them, it will be hard to stretch a page for them. The Japanese ones (of course) require looking up Japanese wikis. But even then I just believe the genderbends are created because it is an amusing thing to do for fandom reasons. Mikuo is basically Miku with no pigtails. They don't have personalities, it would stop many people from doing anything with them. It would be best just to leave them on one page and think of a set up and gallery. -- Bunai82 (talk) 23:24, January 15, 2011 (UTC)


 * I see why would you want to attempt pages for the genderbends, at least the most known, since they have voice configs. But like the image, voice configs vary. Perhaps switch it to proposed genderbends / originals / humans or something lol. The original and human vocaloids. As I said before, many of these were placed here by Bonbondoodle, until s/he was told to slow down and stop. Now it is about sorting and seeing who really stuck with it and seeing if any are actually worth keeping.


 * As for Human Vocaloids, the only ones I am aware of are Sai Tonarine and Niku Shuune; and finding out what effect they used to be "robotic but clear" should be interesting. Though I don't believe Human Vocaloid is common in the fandom, I think Sai just gave people the idea. so other than that, people like singing Vocaloid songs without actually wanting the Human Vocaloid title. So maybe the solution would be to just keep Sai as the most established example and remove the rest? She can be moved to fanmade vocaloid as the summary of however I would clean things up lol. -- Bunai82 (talk) 00:03, January 16, 2011 (UTC)


 * Well the wikis gotta get cleared up at some point ^_^ so you can head off and worry about it later HA! So (english fandom wise) would you want me to check to see if people are still keeping up with their creations? I feel sort of bad that the Vocaloids no the proposed page are still "in waiting" since the wiki so very far behind in finding a place for them. -- Bunai82 (talk) 00:12, January 16, 2011 (UTC)

Done Translation
Please visit my talk page. Damesukekun 03:30, January 20, 2011 (UTC)
 * My pleasure. Well, do I call for other YouTube translators to join us? Damesukekun 15:37, January 23, 2011 (UTC)

Linking images
Hi, sorry about uploading my signature image directly to the site! These are my first steps editing wiki so I'm quite at a loss here. :) I already had the image in another site and tried linking to it, but I just wasn't able to make the image visible on this end. To actually see the image I'd have had to click the link and I would have been redirected to the image in the other site. Could you help me with the image, please? Also, is it possible to make different coloured texts in the wiki environment? In forums I always coloured my messages in a certain shade of light blue. Sorry for the trouble! Esrael 22:33, January 20, 2011 (UTC)

Busy
Hi, sorry for not doing much here, I am trying to finish this article on my own wiki and it is taking quite a bit to sort everything out. Even though everything is from a game the arranging and set up is just time consuming ^_^;; -- Bunai82 (talk) 19:33, January 28, 2011 (UTC)


 * Ah cool ^_^ seems like the first 3 months for everyone on Wikia will be about sorting rather than creating. No surprise that you are considered for admin ship on wikis, you do a lot. Anyway, I like the idea of turning the fanpage into a thumbnail click, it will shrink things down. lol I should archive or clear my talk page, though there isn't much to it. -- Bunai82 (talk) 00:51, January 29, 2011 (UTC)

Helping Vocoloid Wiki
I'm a new admin from the Touhou Project Wiki and since I'm very much interested in vocaloids and since I've found out that they are sorta kinda connected to Touhou ;) I was wondering if I could give you guys a hand in remaking and reshaping you wiki!

I am ok with creating backgrounds (if you have an image you want up) and css design. You can take a look at that wiki to get an idea of what we've done to change it. So if you need my help, I'm on and check my messages a lot, so... >.> hehe --Imanie 11:42, February 7, 2011 (UTC)

Re: About the cache system...
Yeah, it is an issue on my wiki and apparently some others. Oasis just keeps holding onto deleted or edited pages and text, I sent a contact email from mine, should I send one from here too? -- Bunai82 (talk) 17:13, February 14, 2011 (UTC)


 * ugh, hopefully more nagging means more addressing it. lol the help forum did say the staff could clear it up. Not sure what the actual problem is. -- Bunai82 (talk) 17:20, February 14, 2011 (UTC)


 * I wish I had the skills to fix wikis I edit on. =_=;; -- Bunai82 (talk) 17:41, February 14, 2011 (UTC)


 * w00t nap time! XD I had an appointment this morning so I'm like half awake browsing the net. I try not to be bothersome when asking for help like templates and coding, perhaps computer class will help me and I can be like... a super coder or something. And thank you for the compliment, still need to tweak the page a bit, but hopefully it is easy to view and load. -- Bunai82 (talk) 18:01, February 14, 2011 (UTC)

Moving certain pages to Article category. Awkward now, but I just want to clear up the fanmade category since they are mixing with the individual fanmade pages. I was thinking about doing Category:Fanmade_Vocaloid/Articles, but eh, gotta think about the content of the pages first. -- Bunai82 (talk) 17:41, February 14, 2011 (UTC)

Not going to be around for a while
Alright, hope it works out. Though I am unsure if I can do the major updating as you do, but I can maintain the articles and spammers. Bai bai -- Bunai82 (talk) 18:24, March 17, 2011 (UTC)


 * Thank you, and it would be nice to have another active Admin. Though I am unsure which type, unless you are looking for someone specific. I am doing some wide clean up and arranging on my own wiki, but when needed I can do things here. Though everything seems to be in order, it is more about easier access of articles and its names.


 * To add on, do you think I should start tagging "Song:" to song articles? Currently one must know the name of a song to get to it, and some articles have the Japanese text. -- Bunai82 (talk) 18:44, March 17, 2011 (UTC)


 * The revised MikuMiku ni Shite Ageru page is what I built the others ones on. It is quite basic.
 * And yes, there should be some kind of set up for single song pages, I am really unsure what to do about the series ones, but people seem to handle that just fine. -- Bunai82 (talk) 19:21, March 17, 2011 (UTC)


 * Hmm, I am not sure about that, especially if the song pages keep growing, unless you are referring to something else XD -- Bunai82 (talk) 02:16, March 18, 2011 (UTC)


 * I was thinking about a bunch of songs being placed on a template and that template getting bigger over time XD -- Bunai82 (talk) 13:51, March 18, 2011 (UTC)

Interwiki links
There is a Spanish vocaloid wiki, it's small, but you could still link to them if you wanted, you'd just have to turn on the interwiki links. --Imanie 21:57, April 4, 2011 (UTC)


 * I'll look into it. Previously there was no other Vocaloid wikias and I had looked and found none. One-Winged Hawk 22:30, April 4, 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh yeah! The "Spanish Vocaloid Wiki"... that place is a f***ing mess. I began the try to tidy up a bit, but the task is becoming almost impossible D: Adept-eX 22:45, April 4, 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh yeah! The "Spanish Vocaloid Wiki"... that place is a f***ing mess. I began the try to tidy up a bit, but the task is becoming almost impossible D: Adept-eX 22:45, April 4, 2011 (UTC)


 * I could try and help when I have time. I think if you link them together, you can share images a little easier, which means you can add and translate pages from English to Spanish a little better. I know a little Spanish, but you might want to check with the administrators there and see what they're up to doing, if they're active. There may or may not be another vocaloid wiki in another language, I checked for a French one but didn't find one. --Imanie 23:25, April 4, 2011 (UTC)
 * That would be nice! Any help is useful, anyway if you have some trouble with the Spanish, you can ask me, cuz I know Spanish, I'm Chilean after all.
 * Anyway, I'm going to contact to the administrators from the Spanish Vocaloid Wiki and I'm going to tell them about the interwiki link. Then we can organize the whole thing. Adept-eX 00:06, April 5, 2011 (UTC)


 * You might have to bring O Herman into this, because I'm always afriad to do things like this. But it WOULD be a lot better.  I had a looksey around the other wikia last night, they are missing a lot of information.  I approve of the spread of information more then anything, thus, its more then benefical if the wikias are linked.  The Spannish Wikia has some information it is missing. :-/ 09:17, April 5, 2011 (UTC)

Okay, when Bunai or O Herman reply, this will go ahead our end. One-Winged Hawk 09:40, April 5, 2011 (UTC)


 * Not sure what will be effected, if it will benefit for good then it is fine with me, though we ourselves are still on the unorganized side. That and our head admin still hasn't made much of an appearance. -- Bunai82 (talk) 16:25, April 5, 2011 (UTC)


 * He hasn't been around since the elections elected more staff in and I'm wondering if thats the reason. But we've gotten a lot more work done since we stopped having to wait for him to do things.  I was wondering if it was wrong to call an election, but the wikia was in need of a major sort out and though we're still a mess we're better then we were before it. AL doesn't show up often enough to make things steady.  If me and O Herman and you agree, I'd call it fair enough though... :-/ One-Winged Hawk 17:00, April 5, 2011 (UTC)


 * I am all for helping out @.@ it helps me learn more about vocaloids and helps the Wikia community. You all seem to be doing well so far :) from the looks of it. All they do is allow you to add links to pages so language links can be added. I think it also means that whatever is uploaded, anyone from either wiki can reach it easier. It also broadens the vocaloid community and adds more people who can help out.


 * Oooh! I can help with moving pages over whenever it gets started and can try to help with translating >.> but it would be horrible. --Imanie 23:20, April 5, 2011 (UTC)


 * Link requests are set up. I think I got it right from our end of things... I'm always so dam nervous since I'm relatively new to all of this. ^_^' One-Winged Hawk 07:28, April 6, 2011 (UTC)

recent changes bug
Does this happen to you. Appearing signed off while on Recent Changes? This happened before on this wiki, I checked out a few more and did not get this result. -- Bunai82 (talk) 07:29, April 12, 2011 (UTC)


 * Thank you. Not much to do but wait it out.
 * Everything seems alright now. -- Bunai82 (talk) 17:36, April 12, 2011 (UTC)

Proposal fanmade page
Ugh, that thing is a mess... and I feel slightly bad about those Vocaloids hanging in the wings. But hey, those who stuck with it probably got attention now even without the wiki. Anyway. I'm gonna gut the page and see if I can make a better set up. I'm going to branch into new pages by Company and Originals and see if that makes things easier to sort.

For some reason half of what is there, is not showing up 0_o. I just added a miki fanmade and saw no hidden arrows on the page. So something is wrong with it... maybe too much text or an image / template problem? -- Bunai82 (talk) 02:19, April 13, 2011 (UTC)


 * You can check if you want.
 * I've been thinking about it, after Wikia decided to have a spasm and go on back servers. I will try to keep it all on one page and see if the scroll box template I added will do some good. I will arrange it by company and vocaloid released chronologically. -- Bunai82 (talk) 06:56, April 13, 2011 (UTC)


 * Finished the proposal pages all the while Wikia had more meltdowns while I was working.
 * Now that I got the pages up, I sort of take back that I feel bad about the waiting Vocaloids lol. They are in an article... of sorts, so they are on site, they just don't have established pages. As something like that comes from time and a fanbase. It will be a while before I can look at which one to create a page for, there are some obvious ones though... as they have been around for a while.


 * Also, I put in a namespace request for "Song:". So when that shows up I will be moving the song pages to there. It will make things slightly easier to find and also keep it in order. So please do not move any of the song pages until that space is present, because apparently if you have an article with the namespace you want, and you get it... the page will be blocked...for-ev-errrr. K!Bai! ^_^ -- Bunai82 (talk) 19:45, April 13, 2011 (UTC)

Re:You've been a busy beaver
I think I was awake all day... hmm. Anyway, I am moving the official images to new names so they can be better sorted, so check out the boxart category for that (or just look at the current voice template lol. -- Bunai82 (talk) 08:15, April 14, 2011 (UTC)


 * I am actually working on Meiko right now and then moving on to Kaito. I was just tired so I stopped with the first three. I will indeed be replacing the moved images ^_^ it's just gonna take a while since I am actually going through the pages top to bottom and fixing a few things, like links or some wording. -- Bunai82 (talk) 16:29, April 14, 2011 (UTC)


 * about Category:Vocaloid. What do you think about creating Category:Vocaloid1 and then moving the first five into that category and then placing all of them into Category:Vocaloid? -- Bunai82 (talk) 16:44, April 14, 2011 (UTC)


 * Basically that. Making Category:Vocaloid the main category and then creating a the subcatory Vocaloid1. This way I can place all of the vocaloids in the Category:Vocaloid without the first five occupying it for themselves.
 * p.s I am hijacking (edit: hopefully w/permission) a Tweet template from the Puella wiki for Kaito tweets... that thing is very confusing to reference, so I am making a section for it at the bottom temporarily. Soon as I figure out what I am doing XD lol -- Bunai82 (talk) 18:52, April 14, 2011 (UTC) I emailed the creator of the template, I am stickler for giving credit. -- Bunai82 (talk) 19:15, April 14, 2011 (UTC)


 * Haha, got the template and permission. So the new page is Vocaloid on Twitter.
 * Also the namespace is here, but I am unsure if it is working... as Oasis has been driving me loony with the way it functions. I tested a page, and I am not seeing the results I was hoping for. I am going to wait it out a bit to see if it fixes itself. I don't want to tag a bunch of song pages with the namespace to find that I have to move them all back.


 * Until then I will be updating more images, I am going to work on the figurines page. Question on the Standard figures... what does PVC apply to? Aren't all the figures PVC? -- Bunai82 (talk) 00:09, April 18, 2011 (UTC)


 * lol just some updating and organizing before it hits the summer and I get all lazy. -- Bunai82 (talk) 15:24, April 18, 2011 (UTC) Found this site link on the Cosplay forum, is it of any use? The page is in Japanese: http://mimikopi.nomaki.jp/domino/vocaloid2/index.html#HEADER -- Bunai82 (talk) 15:30, April 18, 2011 (UTC)

Song Translations
Hi. We have a lot of song translations on YouTube and some of them are here, too, but I have to say not a few of them are not translated properly. Even a famous translator depends on Google translation (for example, t12111 told me once he/she was a Korean and his/her English were the secondhand from Japanese-Korean Google translation). As you know, machine translators are not faithful especially for the languages from different families. The common grave mistranslation beginners and machines make is cutting modifiers from modifees. Here are examples. 12 3 I never mean to discourage students from learning Japanese, but I think they should be more responsible to their works - both for creators and viewers. Do you have any good idea shutting mistranslations out of this wiki? Damesukekun 04:21, April 19, 2011 (UTC)

Re: unbalanced
Not entirely sure what you mean as there was no explanation on how you wanted the main page. I was believing I was making it balance by moving small sections 'onthisday' / 'poll' to the left. I will move them back though, so check out the front and tell me if anything is wrong. I wasn't thinking about ads / monobook while doing this, sorry. -- Bunai82 (talk) 09:39, April 21, 2011 (UTC)


 * I was trying to make it appear less overwhelming yet also try to draw visitor attention to the Notices and Contribute sections, so we can reduce the number of fanmade pages that pop up but also get more help with the miscellaneous pages. -- Bunai82 (talk) 10:03, April 21, 2011 (UTC) Would shrinking the current voices section gallery and increasing its font help? -- Bunai82 (talk) 10:05, April 21, 2011 (UTC)


 * I'm sorry for the mess, I'm just hyper today (yesterday?) ^_^;;. I will leave ya alone until tomorrow...which is today. -- Bunai82 (talk) 10:10, April 21, 2011 (UTC)


 * oo its morning.
 * hmm I think combining the vocaloid and utau section in the same scroll box might help, as the utau section is small by comparison, and leave the science one by itself. You can toggle the height. -- Bunai82 (talk) 10:25, April 21, 2011 (UTC)

Conversion to last-name-first for established fanmade vocaloids with Japanese names
If you can read this, go ahead converting the established fanmades to the last-name-first order. I'd do that but I'm hard at work in producing a lenten tribute song. O Herman 16:51, April 21, 2011 (UTC)

Review figure page
The standard page, what do you think of the table? -- Bunai82 (talk) 17:43, April 23, 2011 (UTC)


 * You'll have to screencap, as the set up appears the same to me on both skins. I did indeed try about four different types before testing this version, having a table that works with headers by use of template, as doing it raw did not work at all.


 * Having a picture at the top made the page too long. So I tried to keep your set up by keeping the images on the right and also keeping the image quality. Unless you want it to go smaller or have them shift to the left. I'll do another test and remove the company and dates, and then combined the company with description as a note. -- Bunai82 (talk) 21:14, April 23, 2011 (UTC)


 * Alrighty, have a nice time at least ^.^;
 * I gotta learn more about monobook coding, to at least change some things... like the yellow bg. -- Bunai82 (talk) 21:26, April 23, 2011 (UTC)


 * lol okay. I won't be doing much, besides thinking of new names of the images and messing with the table. I like mono for its content space and loading. I just suck when it comes to coding. -- Bunai82 (talk) 21:40, April 23, 2011 (UTC)

Re:Receptions
I am so so about it. The good thing is the size and that it is to the point, and you emphasize that it is Western perspective. Perhaps put some kind of mini-warning that the views expressed here are from observation of the fandom... excreta. However, it does need to balance with more positive because currently it feels somewhat negative. But there are a lot of things to list, from voice, avatar and company. -- Bunai82 (talk) 20:15, April 26, 2011 (UTC)


 * Draw me up a basis graph and I'll stick with it, these sort of things are always touch and go. :-/ One-Winged Hawk 20:46, April 26, 2011 (UTC)


 * I'm still doing some tidying on various parts of the site. I will be checking out the sections more later ^_^;; -- Bunai82 (talk) 23:36, April 28, 2011 (UTC)

Re: Pick up page and a interaction idea
A wiki wishlist? Seems like a nice idea, just hope it attracts the right type of editors. As for the forum, maybe the wikia staff can set it back to its default. -- Bunai82 (talk) 21:03, April 29, 2011 (UTC)

Japanese news on Vocaloid Project contest
Due note I am going by booru, started in March?

"ボカロ計画 Vocalo-keikaku (or vocaloid project) is a contest sponsored by Yamaha, in which artists submit their original Vocaloid characters. The winner (which will be announced on May 29) will become a new, official Vocaloid."  Sites: vocaloproject / pixiv / vocaloidism -- Bunai82 (talk) 06:54, April 30, 2011 (UTC)

Review on Reception and Template
Still reading them, ehh heh ^_^;;

What I wanted to know what you think of the Vocaloid Reception template, just in case the section is going to stick around, might as well have the same Notice be easy to edit, I included the header for it so that can be changed to. Also were you working on keeping it consistent subject wise? For example, Voice / Function / Avatar / Overall, on each Vocaloid to get a better break down. As you noted the visual view on Ann didn't really come until Miku was seen, and then there was the voice, which both got a good review on. I'm gonna ask Evolotia as well, as she/he seems to be focusing on tweaking the sections a bit.

You can reply to this on your own talkpage if you want. -- Bunai82 (talk) 00:21, May 2, 2011 (UTC)

Re: fanmades
Yeah, but the idea is still active and attractive, especially to people who are new to Vocaloid. Maybe we should do that "Fanon" namespace or rather "Fanloid", if this type of thing is going to stick around. I don't think it will be as organized as UTAU because this wiki did not start out with the intention of holding fanmades in the first place, besides the obvious two for information purposes of course. With the continuous task of trying to get the main things in order, the fanmade thing is just going to have to wait more, but we are not the 'go to' source for them, as there are plenty of alternatives for people.

The English voicebank discussion? Maybe you can space it with some headers? ^_^;; -- Bunai82 (talk) 19:03, May 8, 2011 (UTC)

Re: "Claim to Fame"
You think it would work if there was an article for it? All on one page, since it comes off as being trivia that can't really be worked into history smoothly. Vocaloid Achievements lol -- Bunai82 (talk) 11:21, May 11, 2011 (UTC)


 * Gonna head off to sleep for the morning lol. Other titles, an extended "Did you know..." / "Vocaloid Trivia" / "Triva extras" hmm -- Bunai82 (talk) 11:32, May 11, 2011 (UTC)


 * Better under Trivia, more fitting. *gets to sorting* -- Bunai82 (talk) 18:11, May 11, 2011 (UTC)

Re: MMD listings
0_0; Oookay lol I was going to make an MMD gallery, but didn't know if you would have found it important. -- Bunai82 (talk) 18:35, May 11, 2011 (UTC)


 * Alright. Also for the miki, you should get a different one as the current miki is no longer up for download. -- Bunai82 (talk) 18:42, May 11, 2011 (UTC)


 * ah okay, lol I am still in the download model phase of MMD and still just watching vids. I didn't hear about this till... just a few minutes ago XD only thing I know is that due to her corrected version being Windows 100%, her uncorrected one was up for download as long as no editing was involved.-- Bunai82 (talk) 18:49, May 11, 2011 (UTC)


 * lol okay XD (wow I do that a lot)
 * To be picky, can you condense the gallery notice when it comes to the models? -- Bunai82 (talk) 19:13, May 11, 2011 (UTC)


 * I could... make the text smaller? One-Winged Hawk 19:15, May 11, 2011 (UTC)


 * Its cool now lol -- Bunai82 (talk) 19:33, May 11, 2011 (UTC)


 * Gonna find the rest of the Vocaloids models. Oh yeah, I added the gallery to the MMD page... might edit the text just to say the persons name though lol -- Bunai82 (talk) 19:39, May 11, 2011 (UTC)


 * T_T oyi. -- Bunai82 (talk) 20:21, May 11, 2011 (UTC)

Your best guess, minor edit war
I felt the need to protect three song pages for 24 hours due to an IP editor removing songs without an explanation as to why. I even asked and got no reply on it. I am not sure if they are removing them out of personal dislike for the song, the song not present on YT anymore, the song being in the wrong section, or if they have a standard of what should be on the list. While they do add songs that help the list grow, I find it counter productive to remove ones that are clearly still available.-- Bunai82 (talk) 04:04, May 13, 2011 (UTC)


 * No, don't see the songs being connected to one producer.I probably have to check the history to see if they removed more.
 * Clearly the editor knows English as they went through and altered some romaji, and there appears to be favoritism with Kaito, who also had a few songs removed but then again his list isn't that large. -- Bunai82 (talk) 20:01, May 13, 2011 (UTC)

Also, should I change links from the infected VO board to the old board, I'm not sure how many threads carried over if ones from the new server go on the old server...hmm. -- Bunai82 (talk) 20:05, May 13, 2011 (UTC)

REV, a partner to CUL?
I didn't see any mention of this on the VY2 or VOCALO Revolution pages, so I'm not sure if you know of this or not... but I recently found this character called REV on the VOCALO Revolution website: http://vocarevo.com/aboutvr.html#07 I've seen some people on DeviantArt say that he uses VY2's voice and is a partner to CUL, but seeing as I don't know Japanese, I can't really confirm it. Just wanted to see if you guys on the wiki knew anything about him yet... ^^; 67.233.36.101 22:10, May 13, 2011 (UTC)

Re: Bil
Neat, I hope the English companies interact more with the fanbase side of Vocaloid. -- Bunai82 (talk) 09:56, May 14, 2011 (UTC)

Re:Oh
That is fine, if you need to be off for a few days. ugh, gonna try to approach this calmly. -- Bunai82 (talk) 20:37, May 15, 2011 (UTC)


 * You think there needs to be a section on MMD models on the Mythbuster page? Or copy paste it from the MMD article?-- Bunai82 (talk) 20:56, May 15, 2011 (UTC)


 * Based on the sailorearth events, I second this one. O Herman

...I thought MMD was mentioned on the mythbusters... Sorry... My bad... I should have added one there too if there wasn't one when I updated the MMD page. O.o One-Winged Hawk 20:59, May 15, 2011 (UTC)


 * Understandable, for now everyone pestering on both sides is making a simple misunderstanding into a huge hill of trouble. -- Bunai82 (talk) 17:17, May 17, 2011 (UTC)


 * Thank you, I will be rearranging some thing on the blacklist so the purpose of it can be covered. I'll take a look at what you'll type about it. I maybe a newbie when it comes to the program, but even I find it rather silly to claim a character not of their own creation, however, I understand claiming the style the character was created in. *Crosses fingers* hoping this ends well. -- Bunai82 (talk) 19:43, May 17, 2011 (UTC)

XD I'm sorry, but I find it a tad bit amusing, because it is like a mini battle of the stubborn, both sides believe they are right so both sides continue to headbutt. So far, I feel they are actually both correct on some areas... not all *no need to fill your page with my version lol*. @Notice, nicely done, it is clear and gets the point across. Although the page helps me know who not to create a page for (like producer or song page) if you feel the page may cause too much trouble, I wouldn't object to deletion, but the information on Ricardo is so informational. -- Bunai82 (talk) 13:39, May 18, 2011 (UTC)

Story time ^_^
 * These flare ups seem to happen from time to time, but they are spaced pretty well a part. Everyone calms down but occasionally picks at old wounds for example sake. I think O Herman is use to taking the aggressive approach as UTAU has proven to be quite complex community with its avatars, chara buildups, voice etc... so I can understand. But O Herman is correct on the whole respect ideology, Japanese are just so use to their culture working as some kind of... one-mind type, they sometimes forget that outside of their views the World has additional ideals.


 * When it comes to Vocaloid/MMD. I don't think they were expecting to see such a large addition of Westerns and other people being into the same thing, lol I remember reading interviews on anime directors and mangaka, and they continue to be surprised they have a fanbase besides Japanese. So this whole deal among the fandom is culture shock...online (*cough*inspace*cough*). The copyright views and ownership are definitely different by culture, we are use to the on paper version, that shows proof of ownership, even Western fandom tread carefully when it comes to selling their fanart, as you never know just how tolerate companies are about their characters being profited without them being involved. And while I enjoy finding fanvids using copyrighted music, I do think companies take things too far... I mean they are basically punching their supporters in the face over some snippets of music. From a business standpoint, I get it.


 * When PMD editor was released and people saw a neat feature to really create their own models and pass them around, I think Nanami shocked the community on both sides when derivatives were forbidden by him/her, as stated, Japanese are pretty tolerate of their work being derived. But Nanami basically set that mentality of don't edit my babies cause they're mine. Obviously there were others, but MMD was still small and Animasa was the dominate model. As you said, a large number of people follow the rules, yet one odd ball and the whole thing brakes down =_=;

p.s I might be on and off for the rest of the day. -- Bunai82 (talk) 14:18, May 18, 2011 (UTC)


 * (*waves*) I'm going for a walk... long one lol
 * Wiki search: MikuMikuDance /  / . -- Bunai82 (talk) 14:43, May 18, 2011 (UTC)

Afternoon ^_^ that trip and being off for the day helped clear my head. It is a wonder why people create more wikis of the same subject instead of just adopting or contributing to a current wiki. But anyway, if that MikuMikuDance wikia is going to be taken care of, it will have to be by someone knowledgeable and open. No go find it yourself/ this is my model / grr argh! type of person. But no doubt it will be hard to find someone like that as it seems everyone is currently hyped up for a knife in the back. For now, sticking with MikuMikuBeat. kb9vn list, parts of DevaiantArt club is pretty much covering the downloads and advice, we however, are a third party that lets readers know that MMD is largely used as promotion of Vocaloids by music video. c/p to O Herman -- Bunai82 (talk) 18:07, May 19, 2011 (UTC)

MMD "Default" Models
Sorry but one of the MMD model creators contacted me, and said that included some fanmade models and that the misunderstanding by the picture brought a mess to the creator. I corrected its description on MMD page, but could you rename the file for clarification? Damesukekun 14:45, May 22, 2011 (UTC)