Board Thread:Off-Topic Discussion/@comment-6433273-20150620015912/@comment-53539-20150621195701

Stinkyhat wrote: >What you identify as is not the reality.

Trust me , it is definitely reality.

>trans voice

There are no such thing as trans voices, just trans people with voices.

> almost always pick out when its a man pretending to be a woman

>.< Please try to avoid phrases like these in the future! Trans women aren't men pretending to be women. Also this isn't true at all. There are vocal feminization surgeries that allow trans women to increase their pitch to "normal female" levels. Here's a before and after.

>UK doesn't accept sex changes

I don't think this is true ?

I'm not too proud to admit when I'm wrong. I know my information is often half a decade out of date because I dont' keep up withthe news 24-hours a day. But I think someone is letting pride in the way of resolution and its not just me here. Plus, it often makes people really uncomfortable (its been doing that to me).

Seriously, none of the rest matters. I've provided evidence of why its wrong to call Iroha a true female voice. Now it sems what I've putt forwar means nothing because we have a expert in the field. Sod that google search I did, sod the documentries I've watched or articles I've read on the humand voice.

Pardon my tone here... I'm getting stright to the point; this isn't helping either. ¬_¬

this issue should have resolved itself in 1 day... T_T

This isn't the topic to discuss this in and I honestly expected this resolved quickly and so far... The responses aren't to the point.

If nobody wants to accept there is a problem with just saying Iroha's voice is female, then fine. But when this comes up next time, if it does, I'll be saying "I don't you so". And... Its already the 2nd time. As I keep highlighting this, its happened once with Len and Ryuto. the provider's are female, but they are still doing male vocals. Iroha's provider is transgender (I have no other descriptive word, so sue me I'm not trying to offend anyone here), born male it seems, but he is still doing a opposite gender voice.

There is nothing we, he or anything else can do about that. DNA decided this, mother nature, God... whatever... What he wants to be, feels he needs to be... Etc... None of that matters. The vocaloid software is about the voice.

Okay look... I'lll put it this way...

The reason why we need to resolve this is you need to train a male voice to sound remotely female. No ifs... No butts... Nothing else. Ditto its the same for females doing male. who does this put those on par with?


 * Leon
 * Lola
 * Prima
 * Tonio
 * Gackpo
 * etc.

All those who had training to get the result they do. So this is why I'm pushing for a resolution. There is no ill-intended at all here, not discrimination, no backhanded motives or other ill gotten reasons for pushing for a resolution. I'm just saying, they have a style of voice, we need to acknowledge that, can we.

Now... If anyone wants to discuss this... Can we just stick to the problem... How to difine the voice of Iroha, Ryuto, Len... And every other possible voicer who could be on par with those 3 in the future.

Sesh... This reminds me of the time on the One Piece wikia I objected to writing Blackbeard's bounty as "B0" (We don't have the beli sign). I argued that he didn't have 1 and writing "B0" implies he has one, but its worth "0". I was arguiong about the concept of "0" in context.

Maybe its nitpicking, sure but sorting the nitpicks make things shiny to read.