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Rin's V4 is really kind of bad, but I like her POWER (V2) and ACT1 both more than Len's voicebanks (yes, all of them).
@Silver Sikrnight I agree that their Appends sound the cleanest and have a better overall tone than their V4X release. As someone who owns RINLENV4X, they both have "pronunciation problems." Sometimes the samples will randomly sound louder in some places. Rin is actually the one who I have the most issues with, since her pronunciation sounds more unnatural than Len's if I attempt to modify her tone. Technically they're both voice acted and are supposed to sound "unnatural," but Rin's pronunciation sometimes sounds like she's trying to mock someone.
If only I could get past that problem though. Hopefully the new Piapro Studio software will have the old voicebanks, but with the samples edited to have a higher "sampling rate" quality. (It can be done, and I hope Crypton considers that as an option).
Yes, exactly! I own Rin and Len too and there's just something so strange about the vocal quality, especially in high or low ranges.
And yes, your point about Rin is exact; she does sound like she's trying to mock someone!
I'm really hoping that the new Piapro studio will fix their tones.
Do we have any news on whether or not the appends are getting into the new studio or do we just have their default voicebanks confirmed?
We're not entirely sure yet. It has been said that CFM has been editing the sound quality of some of the original V2 and V1 voicebank samples. These edits may help fix tone issues. (Either that or they're just doing that again to "test things.") I heard it over Reddit though, so you may want to check a couple of other samples to make sure it's a legitimate claim. Crypton's Official Twitter is probably a good place to start,
As for now, we really just have to wait. The new Piapro Studio Wiki has been set up, since Piapro Studio and all their voicebank products will be moving over to that engine. All information released on these products will eventually be posted there as more information is released.
I don't like either so to me... Since I only like Rin slightly better its Rin.
Len's vocal is actually harder to manipulate then Rin's and usually is ranked the weaker vocal. I don't know the finer editing details, but thats the response form Japan. Its to do with Len having trouble stopping from sounding like a woman all the time. Whereas Rin has no issues with this problem at all since she is set as female.
Kaito and Meiko have no usage of their V1 vocals at this point. The samples are just that LQ its out of the qeustion. Since V2 (as they were meant to be V2) they have had fresh new recordings.
The same thing going forward is for V2 remakes, CFM has slowly been trying to phase them out in favour on new recordings that sound similar. This is best exampled with Luka Japanese in V4. Both Hard and Soft are new recordings.
CFM does however manipulate their samples so they can make new recordings sound like old ones. *shrugs* its a well known practice and honestly, don't hold it against them as other studios will apply some of the CFM cheat sheets to their own Vocaloids. Lumi had a legitimate claim as none of her samples came from non-Vocaloid Lumi samples, making her actually quite a oddball release. A lot of Japanese vocaloids do this to speed things up, especially when you can't afford to get the provider back in the studio.
@Angel Emfrbl I apologize, I should have specified that most of what I stated was my personal opinion. Len having his samples taken from a woman is challenging to hide. It can never be removed from his vocal, though the character parameter can (kind of) "mask" it. When it comes to his other two appends, cold and serious, it is impossible to make him sound masculine. Tone wise I think he is an acceptable vocal. (I will say that I am not a fan of his Act2 though. Act1 sounded better based on what I've listened to.)
Rin I would like more if it wasn't for her awful V4x release. V4 Rin seems to have more issues compared to Len. These issues have to do with her vowels and the sound level. It's not pleasant and irritates me. If those issues were resolved she'd rank higher in my list. Though Len suffers from the same issue, it is not as noticeable.
So in the end, neither of them truly wins from my perspective. Though I was listening to the full version of Mitchie M's "Birthday Song for Miku" recently. I found Rin's solo sounded better than Len's. He just sounded flat.
Act1 was made in a rush, and was more realistic as they weren't editing it to make him sound more realistic. The main problem with Act1 was that the Kagamines had too many bad samples. The vocals were "power" types and Vocaloid wasn't yet good enough to handle that type of vocal.
Rin often sounds better then Len because when you edit Len, the edits to his voice they make to make him sound more masculine prevent realism. And since Rin is more realistic and combined with Vocaloid trying to be more realistic, the two get along better. So Rin ihas the better performance then Len normally.
Len also should be a little lifeless as he is ultimately a chest voice. Chest vocals are made at the short end of the breath and are deeper with less "omph" to them. Whereas head voices have a lot more flexibility in their traits. I can't find the article I used to know that explains this so you'll have to take my word for it this time. :-O
This is probably a similar article.
Just tested it myself and now understand how the two are different (tone wise).
I like neither of them, honestly *shrugs*
Frick, I don't know why the vocaloid producers like Len dying so much... I mean, WHAT HAS HE DONE WRONG??
What do you think?