We're getting closer and closer to the new year... What are your hopes and/or predictions regarding VOCALOID or any related synth?
What's on your mind?
So, I went digging around in the guidelines and I didn't find a straight answer so I thought I'd asked to be safer, I also I could've sworn I've seen some UTAU posts here, (other then Teto. I've looked up to see if the character I have a question about has a page, and she doesn't have one here and her main page on the UTAU wiki is locked from edits and comments..)
I have a question but the UTAU Wiki is pretty dead and I can't find a place to ask questions so I was thinking of asking here but I don't want to violate any of the rules here as people have put time and effort into making them.
I'm really sorry if this isn't allowed or if posts like this one have been answered a lot and I just don't know where to look,,
Also sorry if this is in the wrong place!
Name your favorite KIRA song in the comments!
Mitchie M's new album coming out on November 6, 2019 should be covered here. When I have time I will start to create an article on the basics, and extra things like folders/badges/pins as exclusive pre-order items can be filled in later.
Again the album will have both a regular CD version, a CD & DVD version, and a vinyl version.
Though the album does contain Seraphim on the Ring (which will have a page on the Piapro Studio Wiki), most of the tracks on the album are related to the Piapro Characters as VOCALOID voices.
I just wanted to notify other editors on this since Mitchie M is still a prominent producer.
Sexually explicit and heavy gore (NSFW) songs will now be outlawed from posting the lyrics on the wiki. Here is the policy we are going to add after this announcement goes up:
No: Heavily NSFW lyrics. Lyrical articles that are hinting at NSFW, but not explicitly stating such, are fine. However, if lyrics straight up talk about NSFW, then the lyrics for that article will have to be omitted.
This will be added on shortly after this is announced, so from this point forward, no NSFW lyrics will be allowed on Vocaloid Wiki.
Removing lyrics on current NSFW pages. Pages that do not fit the guideline given above will have their lyrics removed and a warning template added to it, which will also be created shortly.
Deleting pages promoting/displaying pedophilia/sexual encounters with minors - we have agreed on removing such pages, and pages like Gay Sex will be deleted shortly.
Thank you all for supporting us while we make these decisions, and giving feedback in April! If you want any more information, feel free to ask questions below.
So Bunai and I are having a bit of a disagreement in relevant to a topic. You can read it there ;
So I feel okay, this discuss whats relvent to Vocaloid and whats not.
The core pages; without them, we're not "the Vocaloid wiki", thei 100% safe as the entire wiki could exist with just them.
All software powered by Vocaloid technology. Its pretty obvious and goes without saying.
All characters that have voicebanks made for Vocaloid. While some like Miku are moving on, they will always have a page here , its just only going to talk about the Vocaloid side.
Information on companies that supported Vocaloid development or products that used Vocaloid.
(Edit: I'm going to add a note, yes, yes, the wiki can survived with just these pages. Bunai, I've asked you a few times to add song pages to some of the other synth wikis, you have not. This is the status that those wikis are left in as a consequence. I don't know how to set up the song pages and no one else with the abilities has rush to this task either. So yes, if those wikis can survive like this, so this one can. Hence why thee pages are going no where.)
Secondary pages; We don't need them, but they are still supportive of the Vocaloid software and its characters, they basically help flesh out the wiki. While individual pages can be argued, these are generally safe.
Songs powered by Vocaloids
Games using songs powered by Vocaloid, so while Project Diva is featuring Vocaloid songs, thats fine in other words.
Live events or otherwise where Vocaloid technology of some form is either the topic of the event or used in the event.
Books on the Vocaloid characters and engine
Sheet music books that are based on Vocaloid songs
Merchandise and tie-in promos linked to Vocaloid content (i.e. Lily was a promotional product released for Animo.v.e., so she has a tie-in as a promo to the band)
Tutorials on how to use Vocaloid.
Vocaloid character "backstory" pages like Ice Mountain.
Wiki pages; we have them for the sake of editors and to make things run smoothly. I don't know how many times I've had to rely on these pages as a quick reference. Bunai has made other such lists... But... They aren't always useful or get referenced or... Even updated. Other lists exist, but they need more work to stand out.
The Status on Vocaloid page
The Vocaloids page
So what doesn't belong here; Because I need to answer this for Bunai. At best, none of these are powered by Vocaloid technology and at best minor links to Vocaloid. Some of these pages are being kept here just because people want them it seems, whether or not their relevant and this is becoming a problem.
Other synths - there are a few that are in limbo, but there are wikis for the UTAU, CeVIO, Synth V, Chipspeech, Alter/ego,etc. These wikis link directly to us but have no pages on us and the justifications always been "because of the influence Vocaloid has had on them". These wikis have, however, no pages on other wikis. A simple removal of their pages and redirects to the other wikis cuts us out as acting as the middle man and benefits us all. Ifnromation needs to be on the respective wiki, if related and thats it.
In terms of UTAU, O Herman had this circling argument on the Dsicord that went around in circles... The only solid reason for UTAU being here is the definition of the name being "Manual Vocaloid" and a prank. with Teto and the other Vippers. Thats it. We already link to most other UTAU to their pages like Riby, dex and Daina, as well as the mentioning of 1 UTAU on Luka V4x's page. Really, I don't see why there is a problem redirecting links to UTAU.... They already do as I've noted.
Teto's page. Teto's page on the UTAU wiki mentions Miku; there is no page onthe UTAU wiki for Miku, it redirects here. In fact this is the normal for all the wikis except ours.
Fanloids, Bunai and I have had a huge disagreement... But the impact these characters had on Vocaloid was in the years 2007-2009 with all merchandise for their most famous ones Neru and Haku ending. There is the Fanloid wiki. Almost no reference is made to them on most other pages... I think at best its Miku and V2. Fanloids didn't have a great impact on the Vocaloid franchise and outside of CFM, who don't define the whole of Vocaloid, they haven't impacted the softtware. In V3, Yamaha even flat out stated they don't support derivatives and distance themselves from them an the Vocaloid software. If they are to stay... We need a more solid reason then. The best I can come up with is "Vocaloid song support", but if thats the case... Then we also open up the road for characters of all songs to be included... We sort of do that, so its fine. But I think they could go the Daughter of Evil series method and just be on the page "Derivatives" if thats the case. They have their own wiki going into details after all.
In Limbo :They need further discussing
The "in limbo" synth pages are Megpoid Talk, Gynoid and Una Talk. These will need sorting at a later date. (edit: I suspect Gynoid Talk will eventually need its own wiki, so that one will resolve itself with time).
Maidloid has no wiki and I've tried to say it... We're in the process of addressing the issue with mature rated songs... These girls are 18+ rating and not one is addressing them to. So the issue is these girls can't be on a wiki of their own because it will be shut down. This is the only page that a flat-out deletion would be the best option. Their not the slightest bit related to Vocaloid, being more closely related to UTAU since Acme Iku has a UTAU voicebank and just linger as a mature rating page at a time we're addressing the mature rating pages on the wiki. The new girl has basically 3 metal stripes stopping you seeing her nipples and genitals, so I'm dubious about the image. We get a lot of trolls or young teenagers in the comment section. (edit: also don't forget, their samples are sex sounds...)
So I hope this makes Bunai happy, I drew the line in the sand on the issue of "whats relevent".
Since KAITO, MEIKO, and the CV Series moving to Crypton's new vocal editor, there is bound to be confusion within the community. I have a suggestion I believe would be useful. A "redirect notice" could be added on these pages to clarify which products have transferred to different synths.
An example of a "redirect notice" would be:
There will still be a ton of confusion regarding these changes. Hopefully some idea like this will help visitors understand the situation.
P.S. I might have time to complete these edits myself, though it may take a while, for I am not a regular WIkia user.
Long story short, this isn't happening this year as we've got a entire wiki to sort.
But next year I'll be working out articles like [[UTAU]] ... And the other synths.
There is only a few without a proper wiki and the interwiki links template links to them all. I just found out Vocalina has a wiki, so even that has no reason to be here.
I know people protest about this, but the way I see it, there is getting less and less reasons to host information on other vocal synths here. With Miku leaving the Vocaloid software, I'm going to use this chance myself to clean up things with the wiki and make things more Vocaloid-centralled.
Mostly, these articles exist because when the wiki was first set up in 2009 it covered all things synth based, including UTAU. But as each wiki got its own wiki, it became less and less reasoning and justification to keep our pages on each synth open.
With CFM pulling out, there is going to be a period of overlap for Miku and co between the past and present and there needs to be a black and white line between old coverage and new. So its time to draw the line in the sand. We won't be covering any non-Vocaloid topics from 2020 onwards.
The only debatable pages are the derivatives and Teto, to me... Teto's never had a justification here but I wasn't prepared to argue with Bunai at the time over it. And with Miku and co's departure and Yamaha stating Haku and Neru aren't part of the Vocaloid franchise and that they don't support them... And a wiki for them too... We'll see. In 2019, derivatives mean a lot less then 2009.
Hello all. I'm excited to see the increase in activity of the Discussions feed, however there are a few things that need to be changed with them. Specifically, with the reports feature:
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You should not report posts just because you don't like them. Posts that are reported out of personal feelings will not be deleted and you will be given a warning on your wall.
Both these types of reports clog up the report feed, making it harder to find content that has been seriously reported for being derogatory or in violation of our guidelines. If you're unsure about what might be in violation of our guidelines, contact a staff member and we will be happy to assist you. You can also see the guidelines in the bottom left hand corner of the text box when you are creating a new post.
Hello, admins of the Vocaloid Wiki.
I now have a question: Are contributors allowed to put the link to other Fandom wiki(s) onto the song article here on Vocaloid Wiki if that other wiki(s) has the song article(s) related to the song article(s) on Vocaloid Wiki in question?
I'm sorry if I posted it without the right category.
As I come across this, I'm just going to create this topic for missing infomation thats now either hard to find, impossible to find or just extinct.
*V1 Japanese, from the V1 era - compared to the V1 English vocals which got some promotions, there just is a lack of information on Japanese V1s from that era. This is no shock as it was noted to Wat by fans in the V2 era.
*V3-V4 - we're starting to see disappearance of various tadbits of information from this area, so I'm writing this here to make everyone aware of it. Thanks to various news sites, information from the V2 era, its there still most of it. But in the V3-V4 era, a lot of things were being handled only by Yamaha and a lot of new projects started. Many of which didn't last... And because Yamaha handled a lot of things, when they updated their website it was "bye-bye" information.
*Lapis and Merli - we've got a chunk of their background "canon" storyline, but bits have gone missing.
*Pre-2009 Macne information is much harder to find. The west also poorly reported on it, and Nana was regarded mostly as a UTAU because not everyone understood things. For example, we've got the situation with "Open Licensing" being mistook as meaning you could share without buying. When it means you can buy and then use for others oftware. For the most part I have determined most information is there, but not all.
*Vocaloid Net - a lot of missing information on extra voicebanks the service provided.
Way back machine doesn't always work on this stuff, so before someone jumps in, its been tried.
Anyway, I want to make everyone aware of gaps in the wikis scope of findable knowledge, or ones starting to form.
Been trying to work out how to do this for a while, but I'd like to have a section on the mascot page just linking all to the voicebanks and their releases. We once had it, but it wasn't working and I agree with their removal. Been pondering the best way to do this for a long time.
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I know this question has been asked about 19 million times already but whatever.
I was playing project mirai a few years ago, which I got for my 11th birthday.
I didn’t know anything about Vocaloid, other than the fact that
“oh yeah miku’s cute” legit I did not know anything
when i first got it, i was curious because “what?? They’re anime characters what is there to do” and then i figured out “oh they sing??? in?? japanese? sometimes english??” It didn’t really impress me at first but whatever i still played it
I skipped daughter of evil bc “omg that looks stupid rin’s a princess”
and then i played it and bawled my?? eyes? out???
I just turned 11, and seeing a chibi version of my favorite character getting decapitated while singing a cheery tune was kind of traumatic.
then i played servant of evil
so yeah mothy was the first producer to make me want to actually listen to vocaloid
If you post something, I've discovered a few problems with this crappy system;
1. When you post a topic, it only saves your first "tag". You have to add additional tags afterwards... 1 by 1. It will only save 1 at a time.
2. You can't edit your posts after a short period of time. So you have only a brief moment to alter a post before it cements itself. This counts discussion topics as well as replies.
This is a crap system, I wish we were not forced to have discussions as these two problems did not apply to the old system.
I have noticed with some producers like wintermute, their Wikia page statesthey are still active, when they have not uploaded in 7 years. There seem to be many producer profiles with this issue. Lamune-P is another example. I know that some producers like minato/hachi uploaded songs for Miku's 10th Anniversary. With the pages I am adressing, there is nothing of that nature (or similar.)
I know the WIkia has had some issues with song pages/questions about finding songs/etc. and I don't want to feel like I am contributing to people's workload. But this slowly needs to be resolved. Once the other issues we are dealing with have been fixed, then producer pages should be dealt with.
Another question I have is: How many years should pass until a producers status is presumed inactive?
These are being created as a type of discussion to encourage some different types of discussion on the wiki.
Feed back should be made here.
List of threads;
*https://vocaloid.fandom.com/f/p/3294873499205736187- Hatsune Miku (VOCALOID2)
Just want to say that this really is an experiment, I need feed back as I was discussing doing this. I'm not going to create 100 threads for each release at once. This is based on another wikias approach, forget which one I got this idea from. In light of issues with the wiki editors coming off as "aggressive" I think we just nneed to find out ways to create some "nerd out" topics. There isn't much to talk about within Vocaloid and I'm attempting to get the ball rolling on what else we can discussion in light of other attempts.
These topics are trying to be set up differently to the way comments are, in that their for just fawning over details about subjects.
I don't know how things will go, but please do give feed back. I talked about doing this a while ago, but I think its time to try this out now and see if we can make it work.
I'll create another topic tomorrow.
The intention is to link this back specifically to the related wiki pages, however... This is a trial to see how people feel about it foremost.
The "rules" bit is just to give ideas how to treat the topics... And I threw up random ideas, they need tweaking so feel free to suggest a redesign.