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I'd like to point out that if we create each page for each "notable" song, what is the criteria of this notability? YouTube? or Nicovideo? This will cause the edit war again.<br>Further, why don't we have the independent article "Miku Miku ni Shite Ageru?" This song is doubtlessly the most famous and notable Vocaloid song on both YouTube and Nicovideo. This is the point I say that the pages "Kokoro" and other songs are just the fancies.<br>In addition, edit war has calmed down since I stepped in this Wiki and modified many wrong lines. I don't mean to push the Japanese viewpoint but I have to say that the editors who didn't have the basic understanding of Japanese (both language and culture) made the editting just by speculation, which caused the confusion and argument. Song articles invite these kind of speculation easily again. Further, many translations on YouTube are not fully correct, so the authenticity of these article itself is doubtful.--[[User:Damesukekun|Damesukekun]] 15:50, January 2, 2010 (UTC)
 
I'd like to point out that if we create each page for each "notable" song, what is the criteria of this notability? YouTube? or Nicovideo? This will cause the edit war again.<br>Further, why don't we have the independent article "Miku Miku ni Shite Ageru?" This song is doubtlessly the most famous and notable Vocaloid song on both YouTube and Nicovideo. This is the point I say that the pages "Kokoro" and other songs are just the fancies.<br>In addition, edit war has calmed down since I stepped in this Wiki and modified many wrong lines. I don't mean to push the Japanese viewpoint but I have to say that the editors who didn't have the basic understanding of Japanese (both language and culture) made the editting just by speculation, which caused the confusion and argument. Song articles invite these kind of speculation easily again. Further, many translations on YouTube are not fully correct, so the authenticity of these article itself is doubtful.--[[User:Damesukekun|Damesukekun]] 15:50, January 2, 2010 (UTC)
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:No-one said the song had to be notable to be considered for a wiki page. I'd prefer every single vocaloid song created to be archived on this wiki rather than have none at all. The reason why pages such as this exist is because people have took the time to create them. It comes down to personal taste, and seeing as Kokoro was one of the first vocaloid songs I was exposed to, it stuck in my mind and after becoming a contributor of this wiki I decided to make a page about it. There is nothing stopping anyone from making these pages. I probably would have made a few more myself if I hadn't left the wiki.
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:I find the comment about the editors not knowing much about the Japanese language and culture quite elitist, besides the point, and completely incorrect since the majority of articles made during my time at the wiki were proof-read by a Japanese contributor named ymiyass900 who has since stopped contributing to the wiki as well. A search of the wiki will confirm this.
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:I'd again like to request that you provide an argument that is not subjective and has some basis in fact rather than opinion as to why this article '''needs''' to be deleted, as opposed to ''should'' be deleted (in your opinion). [[User:Kaiseine|Kaiseine]] 18:25, January 3, 2010 (UTC)

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About This Page

This Wiki is for the general information of Vocaloids and derivatives, not for the specific song.
This article disorders this Wiki needlessly with subjective comments. --Damesukekun 22:38, December 24, 2009 (UTC)

"This Wiki is for the general information of Vocaloids and derivatives, not for the specific song." And that's not a subjective comment in itself?
I'm on old flame here at the Wiki, I stopped contributing after the place pretty much became an edit war between moderators and people plastering their fanmades all over the Wiki. But I digress.
The original aim of the Wiki (which you will happily find in the Vocaloid Wiki talk:Community Portal) was to create a comprehensive list of pretty much everything Vocaloid, songs and all. Songs are at the heart of Vocaloids, without the songs the Vocaloids sing there would be no Vocaloids. To say that this article disorders the Wiki is a rather empty argument. It remains grounded within the context of the song, covers important details such as covers, artistic, lyrical and compositional, along with information about the creator of the song as well as providing links to all known versions.
There is an old saying. Do not attempt to fix that which is not broken. I feel this applies here.
Final note: Please don't threaten and bully other contributers. Kaiseine 11:21, December 30, 2009 (UTC)
Well, I do not think Damesukekun is threatening and bullying. He is ready to discuss the matter and if someone does not agree with him, the one should give one's opinion on this discussion board like Kaiseine did. When it comes to removal, revisions without explanation by anonymous contributors may cause an edit war. However maybe Damesukekun should elaborate it a little more, citing some concrete examples, so that everyone can discuss if they are subjective or not. Blacksaingrain 17:50, December 30, 2009 (UTC)

I'd like to point out that if we create each page for each "notable" song, what is the criteria of this notability? YouTube? or Nicovideo? This will cause the edit war again.
Further, why don't we have the independent article "Miku Miku ni Shite Ageru?" This song is doubtlessly the most famous and notable Vocaloid song on both YouTube and Nicovideo. This is the point I say that the pages "Kokoro" and other songs are just the fancies.
In addition, edit war has calmed down since I stepped in this Wiki and modified many wrong lines. I don't mean to push the Japanese viewpoint but I have to say that the editors who didn't have the basic understanding of Japanese (both language and culture) made the editting just by speculation, which caused the confusion and argument. Song articles invite these kind of speculation easily again. Further, many translations on YouTube are not fully correct, so the authenticity of these article itself is doubtful.--Damesukekun 15:50, January 2, 2010 (UTC)

No-one said the song had to be notable to be considered for a wiki page. I'd prefer every single vocaloid song created to be archived on this wiki rather than have none at all. The reason why pages such as this exist is because people have took the time to create them. It comes down to personal taste, and seeing as Kokoro was one of the first vocaloid songs I was exposed to, it stuck in my mind and after becoming a contributor of this wiki I decided to make a page about it. There is nothing stopping anyone from making these pages. I probably would have made a few more myself if I hadn't left the wiki.
I find the comment about the editors not knowing much about the Japanese language and culture quite elitist, besides the point, and completely incorrect since the majority of articles made during my time at the wiki were proof-read by a Japanese contributor named ymiyass900 who has since stopped contributing to the wiki as well. A search of the wiki will confirm this.
I'd again like to request that you provide an argument that is not subjective and has some basis in fact rather than opinion as to why this article needs to be deleted, as opposed to should be deleted (in your opinion). Kaiseine 18:25, January 3, 2010 (UTC)
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